Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

You kind of remind me of my belated mother bless her soul! In all my life i never had my Mother ever admit she was wrong even when you presented the facts black and white....even when the evidence was staring her in the face. You might as well just bang you're head off the wall.....because she'd never admit to being wrong. You not Taurean are you??

Wake up and smell the coffee. Good grief man, are you living in a goldfish bowl?

Mort seriously, you need to take a step back, you're losing the plot here. Take some deep breaths for your own good.

Nope, I do expect others to be honest with themselves and others.

If you don't care even knowing the company is using abusive labor practices, then what do you care about?

The dollar, self comfort, what?

It's one thing to say if you were ignorant of the practice you would buy from them, but another to say that you don't care as long as you get the product you want.

amoral is the word for it, and one philosophy I dislike to my core.

A couple of things Mort:

1. Comparing Phil's bots with slave labour is absurd.

2. A lot of your home comforts are obtained via vicious practices.

I imagine LL was nice enough to fix a possible security hole, I did send in a bug report on it (got an error on the msg, so it may not have gone through... but I imagine others sent them in too)

I used an example not a comparison, there is a difference.

Are you sure? You assume I'm not a consumer that looks into things before I buy.

It's you who doesn't accept proper answers, Sling. I'll tell you what. You tell me what answer you want, and I'll write it. Ok?

What a search engine considers spam (you said "abuse", not me) is up to it. What a webmaster does with his/her website is up to the webmaster and to nobody else. If a search engine doesn't want to index a site, it won't. That's all there is to it, Sling. There's nothing wrong with including spam in websites. It's nobody else's business. You are almost talking as though you think that search engines can dictate what webmasters put in their websites. Why the fascination with websites and search engines, anyway? <<=== question - please answer

Correct.

Correct (spam - not abuse. spam does not abuse a search engine) And there are other ways to generate traffic to a website.

Whether or not I would encourage others to do so doesn't come into it. I don't encourage people in SL to use bots. If there were various places to operate, then I may take risks. Who knows? It would be my risk, so who even cares?

As it is, I don't take risks in SL, and I don't spam or abuse the SL engine. I merely use the tools that LL *knowingly* allows to be used. Is there a point that you are leading up to?

I never claimed it was anything other than hypothetical.

Its not mumbo jumbo though

Its just an extrapolation.

Phil basically just admitted if all business owners did what he does the problem would force LL to step in.

Earlier you said that they'd fixed part of it. Don't you know? (serious question)

100% sure. All along the chain big business shaft people, there's no way you avoid big business.

Now how does that follow?

This "Silent Majority" you go on about isn't Pro-bot either, You have been making a point they do not care. That means they are neither Pro-Bot nor Anti-Bot.

Thus its not imposing on that Majority - since the pro-bot and the anti-bot would BOTH be minorities.


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Wasn't working earlier, so likely fixed it. Not to say there isn't another work around.

the silent majority are those that don't really feel strongly either way....and know how to enjoy the SL lives with or without Bots. Its not going to make a major change to their SL lives.

You guys....once you managed to successfully campaign against traffic bots, will happily move onto you next target...which is likely to Picks, followed by Land names....and so on...and so on.

Sheesh Rene, of course its about the numbers. It has always been about the numbers. The big fat traffic number. How is what I wrote that hard to understand? If you are running enough bots to elevate you to the top of traffic for your type of business then the intent of you having bots is evident even if wearing clothes and signing Waltzing Matilda! If it does not then you are probably genuiningly trying to present some clothing. Nobody needs more than a couple of bots for that andI am saying I could live with that. What amazes me is that you in you obviously pro-bot stance despite protestations are actually picking me to bits for that instead of being happy for that small concession. Go figure...

Nope sorry, I am not into proving or disproving others people's supposed "facts" on this forum. If you are not happy with just presenting your opinions as just that and nothing more then you go gather some facts yourself and come back.
BTW I am not talking in riddles, if you cannot understand what is written then ask for clarification, and I will happily explain further.

We were talking about spamming a search engine - attempting to manipulate ranking by keyword stuffing, etc. We were absolutely NOT talking about spam as the content of a website.

We were never talking about the content of websites or engines attempting to dictate the content.
There is no "fascination with websites and search engines" <== That was an answer.
Web search engines simply came up in the discussion as an example of abuse of search in general.

We were talking about search engines delisting websites because of attempts to manipulate ranking via spamming the engine.

If an engine indexes a site, and then delists the site because of engine spamming, that is a punishment for abuse.
You know it's abuse. You talked of the risks involved in spamming a search engine.

Buy me the sim to do it on and i will.

I'll use bots, html injection into the parcel/prims (and if they didn't fix a loophole from when I was playing on the beta grid maybe do a bit more than that), and keyword spam.

I can even link all the bots I make (which can be automated) to a paypal account and hose the pay for picks as well.

Do you think phil or any other bot runner wants that to happen?

For someone to come out and detail every trick they use to manipulate the search for all to see, and force LL to have to fix it now... possibly even shutting down search till some of it can be fixed.

Bots, paid picks, adding html code into the parcel and prim names/descriptions.

All simple things to be done, and if the html code still has some holes ... well then there were ways to get some scripts and such to run back when it was first on the beta grid.

So anything goes in pursuit of the almighty dollar?

So you would have no problem with a corporation starting an army and taking over a small country for true slavery of the population as long as you got the products you wanted for a cheap price?

Nope, I do expect others to be honest with themselves and others.

If you don't care even knowing the company is using abusive labor practices, then what do you care about?

The dollar, self comfort, what?

It's one thing to say if you were ignorant of the practice you would buy from them, but another to say that you don't care as long as you get the product you want.

amoral is the word for it, and one philosophy I dislike to my core.

You said you had friends that had sims.....so go for it!
Idle threats on a forum are cheap! Talk is cheap!
Go for it Mr.Big Shot......bring the search systems crashing down to a crawl.

I can tell you one thing that would happen.....your SL life would never be the same again.
You'd be lynched by all the dedicated business owners that spent a lot of time optimising their searches by honest means or by manufactured means. You'd seriously be a marked man that much i do know.

I'll nickname you "The Preacher" from now on.

Not only do you want to dictate to the masses how they should search their data in SL .....you now also want to preach how we should go about RL clothes shopping based on how they were made (labor)

You know what......I think you're a Fruitcake!

Oh so using the tools they use to demonstrate how it can be manipulated would make me a marked man?

Well the tools are now out there, they can use all of that to do it and I don't have to lift a finger. Anyone can now use them, be it BIAB resellers or copybot duplicators.

And you do spout a good bit of drivel little man, you come across worse than Phil and that takes effort.

So in order to get it fixed we need to contact some sim owners and put bot farms on their open areas till LL takes notice?

Can do if need be.

I know a few sim owners with openspace sims they can set to 100 person limits and let us have a bot farm on them.

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I'll use bots, html injection into the parcel/prims (and if they didn't fix a loophole from when I was playing on the beta grid maybe do a bit more than that), and keyword spam.

I can even link all the bots I make (which can be automated) to a paypal account and hose the pay for picks as well.

Do you think phil or any other bot runner wants that to happen?

For someone to come out and detail every trick they use to manipulate the search for all to see, and force LL to have to fix it now... possibly even shutting down search till some of it can be fixed.

Bots, paid picks, adding html code into the parcel and prim names/descriptions.

All simple things to be done, and if the html code still has some holes ... well then there were ways to get some scripts and such to run back when it was first on the beta grid.

wow , you're real slimey..you're now back tracking like an Italian army! The only
thing "little" that I see are the balls your carrying when you make such bold statements like below

did it occur to you there are times when they are not online?

And not all of them are willing to do it anyway.

I got three more to ask.

So put up yourself and go poll the silent majority, be sure to inform them on how picks being bought, bots, etc are being used before asking their opinion on it.

I put up the tools in this thread, now anyone can use html in the about land and know it will work a little (till they fix that), can use bots, can buy picks (or create bot armies with links to one paypal account), or set out demo items... unlink them and then set every prim in the sim's build to show in search with extra keywords and the like.

It's not that hard to turn search into a worthless tool, it's already being done by those manipulation for lindens in sales. So why is it so wrong to use those tools to show how it's being manipulated and educate the ignorant masses about it... possibly getting LL to fix it so it can't be manipulated.