Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

/me holds up a mirror

I offered you a challenge (poll the silent ones after giving them an unbiased bit of information) and a question (if it's okay to use the tools listed to make a buck, why is it suddenly wrong to use them to educate and show flaws in a system)

You talk tough miss rene, but only on the forums.

I've played around enough today on my land to get it up several pages in less than an hour while testing a few bits of manipulation that I didn't mention. And I think Phil wasn't sure I'd post a security hole just to spite LL, but it seems the code I was getting to run in beta will not run anymore.

It's not hard to bring search into uselessness by using the tools that Phil and others are already using, much less the ones that they don't know about yet.

--------------> Talk to the hand!

I've been wrong about a lot of things. I would never suggest that I can't be wrong about something, especially when presented with facts that aren't based on the "many if not most" speculations of what the "silent majority" might be thinking.

If you would like a list of the things I've been wrong about, this is going to be a much longer thread then it already is.

(As a slight aside... if no one really cares about trafficbots or the gaming of traffic, why IS this thread so long??)





I also do not in any way think that "places" search is the end-all of anything. But traffic is a metrics of the search engine of the SL platform. Why would it matter in the least if it were only that a little bit of the search result were gamed or if the entirety of the search results were gamed (actually, I think its the later, but I'm probably wrong about that )If logging in an army of bots would be pointless and wasteful... why is Phil doing it? (Ok ok, I know HE isn't responsible for an army of bots HIMSELF... but Phil isn't the only one doing it, and I think 10,000 bots inworld at one time would look like one hell of an army if they were all slumping over in AFK position side-by-side)


Phil ....***sniffles back a tear** ... does this mean I'm not on your ignore list anymore

No, it's not, its a question of why you feel, even tho is is technically right now within your rights to utilize trafficbots to alter the search result in your favor, and that you see the fact that if everyone did what you do it would "have a serious negative impact on the system" and "LL would act quickly" and prevent the behaviour you currently use to increase your bottom line... Why are you doing it? Just because you can get away with it right now? How does that make you different then the Ad Farmers who were within their rights with their practices prior to being banned? Your argument that its a victimless crime is simply not true.

You want traffic removed, but until it is you will abuse it til it draws it's last breath. Yet there's Rene calling Mort slimy for saying then if everyone wants traffic gone, let's stage an event to kill it.

Come on kids, let's put on a show!! I think it's fun idea

In case it really matters Rene, I'm a Pieces. Typically laid back easy going types prone to singing along with musicals and dressing up like Elizabeth Taylor, who's birthday I share

/me hands the kiddie a lollipop

So in other words...

She never said it.

So although I put it too simplistically,

It is true that the names do count for something,

and thus ... people change their parcel names because of the new search ..

Making the Parcel names ugly.

LOL Phil you are dreaming if you think thats how it goes

Its actually more like this.

Whoa, hello 1995!

Hey since you are back there...

Email my old self and make sure I get out of the Nasdaq before 2000, kthksbui.

1) My guess Phil uses bots to again a high search listings as a form of spread betting across the board. He wants high visibility on All search and Places search and maybe on certain keywords in classifieds too. That in fact is very good strategy. If Phil does not use traffic bots at all, he'll stand very little chance of visibility on the most common keywords relating to furniture (e.g bed,sofas, chairs, tables etc.)....because he'll have umpteen users in front of him that are using traffic bots or campers. He could still be high on some unusual or secondary keywords which are less competitive...thats still possible. Maybe using foreign translations of common Keywords might be fruitful too.....he'll have to test all of those out. The one thing a lot people don't take into account ....is that half the grid or more don't come from English speaking countries...the demographics has changed over the last 2 years.

Doing a bit of research on optimisation actually does yield dividends. I have around 20-30 classifeds running in any one week for a variety of businesses.....i take fortnightly readings on those classifieds to see how many clicks each had. Then i go through the exercise of making a calculation of how much it costs per click as my claasifieds are of varying costs. You'd be surprised on what type of classifieds generate the best value for money week in and week out. I have been monitoring classifieds since last year....it's a study in itself. I can also tell you mid-spending adverts using common keywords generate less clicks since the arrival of new ALL search. it's definitely had an impact.

The 1st part you quoted in your post was actually to Collette.
Yes. I'm Piscean too


) the 2nd part deals with Places search. Yes, its only a small part of marketing your company and can be gamed by using Bots and campers before that. All search can be gamed too as can classifieds with mis-representations.
Why isn't there an outcry regarding paid classifieds listing keywords of items that they don't even sell....that impacts all the adverisers listed below. To me, I find that far more offensive than traffic bots

3) I called Mort slimey....because he was back peddling from his threats to load up open sims with 100's of bots (similar to your suggestion, although i think your's was more tongue in cheek) and doing something with prims, text and html....and about holes being in LL systems and what not. When challenged...his reponse was to ask me to buy him a Sim! In other words his threats were all smoke and hot air. The guy is a complete fruitcake....and he can enjoy talking to my hand in future!

4) you last part asking Phil why he use's Bots is probably covered to some degree in point 1

Let me see... should i comply with Collette's request to make my land parcel, which i pay tiers for, in which she has absolutely no rights to....and might lead to potential traffic drop and therefore sales drop by having a nice pretty name......or choose to use as a desciption of the goods i sell in my Land title.....

Hmmh, hard choice.....even if its another dumbass one!

This has nothing to do with anything.

I have made no such request.

I have said nothing about people changing their parcels names to not be ugly under the current system.

I merely stated that they are in fact ugly, and that it has to do with the way the new search works.

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Your supposed choice and attempt at ridicule is meaningless since I never suggested that people using Ugly names is wrong, nor did I call it gaming the system.

All I said was that it is Ugly and said the cause.

Yeah whatever.....i'll go and place some nice Heart trees on my commerical plots and beautify the area whilst i'm at it....just incase i get vetted by the self-opinionated know-it-alls from the RA forum.

You seem to be as much a self-opinionated know it all as anyone else.

with one key difference....i don't try to change the SL world nor try to influence it.


Nowhere can you find me saying traffic bots should be kept, nor did i say they should be banned.

Hey the world got changed on us by those who gamed the system.

We don't have to like it.

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I'm not sure how many are trying to influence anything. Mostly people are just speaking out. Thats what forums provide, a place to speak out.

I certainly don't expect bot threads to change much of anything. But on the extremely off chance the Lindens wanted to know my opinion on the issues of the day, they know where to look.

Don't worry the "Preacher" has plans of nuking the entire Search engine, so you should expect a result soon..... as he's busy playing on his land with his html's, text prims and god knows what!

You call it speaking out....to me it resembled a Phil witch hunt. You guys are like a pack of rottweilers that can't let go!......always the last word even if its inconsquential.


Can we call a halt to this thread till the morning.....PHIL HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!

In order for there to be a "witch hunt" there would have to be no witch.

aww poor troll

Nuke it?

I'm just saying if I had the time and energy to devote to it I could manipulate it for the intent of education. If that is nuking it, then I think you should be screaming at all the ones that do the same things I would be doing day in and day out to manipulate it as we speak.

So I guess demonstrating just how bad it could be gamed is a bad thing, better to be a sheep and shush.

Well that isn't going to happen little troll.

Suck it up if we change the system on them, after all they gamed the system. why would it be wrong to game it back and enlighten the masses that don't know what's going on?

Is it that scary to you that the silent majority might get educated on how the system is being manipulated in order to make a buck?

You definitely suffer from "last word" syndrome.......whatever floats your boat!

so do you little troll just in case you haven't been diagnosed

So by not using bots "Guy who uses trafficbots" would be at a disadvantage.

So then everyone should use trafficbots. But everyone cant use trafficbots, because it would bring SL to a grinding halt.

Or traffic shouldn't matter at all.



Because those classified are paid for, and it is very clear to see what was paid for them. Trafficbots effect search in ways that can't be seen clearly when using search. That makes it underhanded.



No, I asked why Phil uses bots when he says that if everyone used bots it would "have a serious negative impact on the system". I'm asking why it's ok for him when it's not ok if everyone does it. When there is an answer to that that makes any kind of sense, I'll stop asking it.

Give it rest "Preacher".....you talk smack at the best of times!
You're problem is that you're full of your of self importance as highlighted above!

you're screaming about the fact we are working to change the system, and put more self importance in your posts than the rest of the thread combined little troll.


And since you can't answer the question put to you. I'll just give ya a candy till you grow up into a proper troll.

You all have to stop bringing up the Silent Majority. This stuff is SRS!



and this little Gem




lulz

My preference would be that Traffic was discarded or counted in a different way that would lead to traffic bots having a less of an impact




Totally disagree. You can find yourself land in a shop that does not sell as advertised in their keywords section.....thats a wasted trip, the same as going to a place that has traffic bots thats doesn't have the item for sale



Its been told to you so many times by me, but you have chosen to ignore it. I'm a vendor too...i chose to ignore Places search because i can't and won't compete with the companies listed above me using Bots. I focus on other areas instead. My sales levels are not to disimilar to that of Phils.....so i must be doing something right?? Many other business owners are like minded and won't follow suit and will opt for other ways of marketing to generate income. It's not rocket science. That is why the peak logins from Jan 08 (around 58k+) to now Sept 08 (68k+) has not risen dramstically. Some of that increase are genuine new users and some are more bot armies,......but whichever way you want to look at it....the increase is not dramatic...and theres nothing to suggest that it will jump to unmanageable proportions in the near future. Only LL can make the change by discounting traffic