Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Hold back the tears. You are still one the 2 in my ignore list. I only see anything you write when someone quote it.

Oh even at her worst, colette isn't as bad as the little troll that wishes he could.

In my mind, its because you just can never figure out how to answer my questions so you put your fingers in your ears and run away, but that's just my enourous ego at play.

That's the point we're making. 16M parcels with banlines have started to be successfuly AR'd even before this announcement, I've AR'd them before to no effect. However now there are reports that successful AR's have been made against them.

The existing TOS can be used in many ways, one day something isn't visible spam, next it is. One day bot farms aren't deemed to be draining resources, the next they could be. The TOS doesn't need to change to make this so.

What's that got to do with anything? I haven't seen anyone support the idea of keeping traffic bots - we'd all like to see the end of them.

What LL should not do is ban bots as a whole, or ban traffic bots specifically, but banning them as a whole would kill off some very useful uses of them and that would not be what LL wants. Banning traffic bots only would cause real problems, which were described earlier by Qie.

Wherever a loophole exists people will use it as we have seen with camping, ad farms and the bending of the gambling rules. The rights and wrongs of it are not up to us to decide, but for LL to decide as i see it maybe i'm wrong here but unless we have a vested financial interest in LL as a shareholder etc. we have no say in how LL runs its business.

As with all things however if we don't like it we can lobby (for want of a better word) LL and ask them to change it. However if they, LL, doesn't change it then perhaps we should look for another game that gives us as individuals what we want and percieve for the game. LL will maybe then change things if people start leaving in droves.

Maybe this is to simplistic but at the end of the day whats the point of whining about stuff when we can lobby LL and try and get things changed. Weather or not i agree with what Phil and others are doing, (and yes i run 3 bots for groups/land management) is besides the point, they are competing in a marketplace that LL have built by perhaps not looking fully at all the ramifications of it. We are in a developing and evolving environment and things are changing now as LL see things harming others, we now have an undertaking that they are removing ad farms, now maybe if people lobby and seek change in enough numbers then LL will maybe change the rules, however, personally i don't see bots disappearing from the grid but i hope that the search feature will be changed and traffic etc done away with at some point as imho its a fossil from a now bygone age for SL.

But these things happen only with reasoned debate not trolling or name calling, thats the sort of behavior i would expect to see on the teen grid not here in the "Adult" Grid Maybe if people lobby LL then things will change but then again maybe they wont who knows but i am personally happy to be part of this great changing frontier of the internet with all its problems Remember though Rome wasn't built in a day

And you are a bucket of shit, full of pseudo morality, and grossly lacking in intelligence. It's a genuine pleasure to look down on you - and laugh at you. Sad, deluded person.

"If LL had any sense they'd prevent me from abusing the system because until they do I'll just keep fucking it up for everyone else."

Colette's sole purpose for posting in the forum is to troll. It has been that since I first came acorss her. She twists things and lies about things all the time. She goes on and on, ignoring things she doesn't have answers for, and never lets go. Some people get angry and write things here in anger, but Colette doesn't. She's always calm and rational as she injects her little poisons anywhere she can. She is a genuine, unadulterated troll. It's what she does here.

Then stop fucking it up Chip if that's what you're doing. Or if you are inventing thoughts for someone else, don't be so stupid.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you Phil? I was paraphrasing your stated position. You're against traffic bots but you abuse them yourself? You should win some kind of prize for self-serving disingenuous bullshit. You owe me for a new irony meter. Your statement about thinking that traffic bots should be done away with made mine explode.

Not at all- rofl

Show me anywhere, where i said they should keep traffic bots.?

I think bots as Group inviters and Models are useful and have a place in SL.. and inorder for them to survive however, LL would need to discard traffic units altogether. (MY OFFICIAL POSITION - copy that quote and rubber stamp it on your forehead)

Maybe i would like to a present a middle ground to both Pro-bots and anti-bots, maybe i want too show that Places Search is overrated as marketing tool and doesn't have the "be all" impact on sales as you think. When Ethan Pow made similar comments , he was quickly pounced on.

Maybe i don't find it appealing a group relentlessly attacking a single entity and on occasions in a vindictive way and making it very personal.

Maybe i don't like "forum bullies" full stop....as i have witnessed these sorts of gang-banging sessions on numerous other threads within RA when someone outside the clique makes comments that go against the grain.

.....so that is my position really.
As for traffic bots...i can live with or without them. It's not going to impact me either way.......maybe i move up a few places in Places Search, which isn't going to help me much in terms of Sales anyway.

hey!

maybe a stupid question but what can a group bot do for me -> my group
would it work -> the "manequin bot" wearing my cloth, stuff, ... does this groupstuff too or will i need another bot for?
where can i get some tech info and does it work with mac too?

well im a gamedeveloper and have had no problems with bots most singleplayergames are based on bots, ai, pathfinding, some multiplayergames have the feature to add bots too.

all this botstuff and trafficgaming in sl is new to me and i dont wanna use em for cheating traffic or whatever, i planed to add bots for entertainment, but now it makes a bitter taste for me.

btw. i have a neat simple "followscript" must be cool to add it to my 99 bots

All tittle tattle.....you're just making comments for the sake of making one!

You obviously have trouble reading the the thread in general....if you really think I'm a Pro-botter. Because i don't want to be part of your gang....i'm immediately a pro-botter! rofl

Why should i even respond to you in future?

You weren't paraphrasing any stated position of mine. Did your brain wake up today? Sharp? lol. Chip, you are so dumb. Tell me who is sharpest tool in the shed - me, who takes thousands of $US out of SL every month without fail, or you, who wishes he could make a reasonable amount of money from SL? LMAO

Ah - a typical brainless remark. Haven't you learned yet that the world really does reveolve around each and every one of us - for ourselves.

Since you make it very clear that you are very bad at following things, I'll teach you...

You haven't seen anyone in this thread or in any others who is pro-traffic bot; i.e. you haven't seen anyone who actually wants them to stay. I can't say that there aren't people who want them to stay, but I can say that you haven't seen anyone in these threads who wants them to stay. There are no pro-botters here. Got it now? In case you have any difficulty in understanding that, I'll spell it out very clearly for you:-

>>> T H E R E__A R E__N O__P R O - B O T T E R S__H E R E <<<

I hope that helps.

Then why are you using them?

Then we do agree.

People who use trafficbots to game search are no different then the people who cut up the mainland into little 16m parcels to ad farming to make money.

Here's a link to an SLExchange search that lists many of the wonderful bots you can buy:

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&SearchKeyword=bot&SearchLocale=0&SearchPriceMin=&SearchPriceMax=&SearchRatingMin=&SearchRatingMax=&sort=&dir=desc

Bots are not inherantly bad. The intentions of the people using them would be the questionable aspect.

It depends who was the Hare and who was the Tortoise.

Did Phil set the tone for using bots?....the tone of this whole thread seems to imply that.
Or was it like some have suggested....Phil armed himself with bots to compete with his immediate rivals for Places Search positions. If it's the latter then the "WHAT MAKES HIM THINK HE'S BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE?" comment is null and void!

I concede that perhaps Phil wasn't sauvy enough when he first started using trafficbots to realize their implications.

But what about now?

I do not think Phil is the center of the trafficbot universe, I think he just sees himself as the god of that universe. I am positive there are many people who use many more bots then Phil in a much more resource draining way. But it doesn't make Phil blameless or innocent in his practices.

Nor does it explain why Phil might think himself better then everyone else simply because he makes a lot of money doing business this way. Making a lot of money doesn't really mean you're smarter then anyone else... or if it does, I'll hold my yearly REAL LIFE income up to Phil's and we'll see who's smarter.

"What makes [Phil] think he's better that everyone else?" is a void question, because I don't think that I'm better than everyone else. Where did the idea that I think I'm better than everyone else come from???

The reason why I do something that, if everyone else did it, it would grind the system to halt (allegedly), is because everyone else doesn't do it, and it doesn't have any significant impact on the system.

Call me naive if you like, but I actually believe that LL is more than capable of looking after the system, and that, if bots become problematic to the system, they will act to deal with it. It seems to me that some people here imagine they know better than LL does about the system, and that they feel they have to look after its future because LL is ignorant of what might happen. The 'what ifs' were just silly - what if 500,000 bots are logged in. It's far better to talk about 'what is' than 'what if', and leave the ones who know (LL) to think about the future.

But these threads about "Traffic Bots" invariably end up being like a Kangaroo court with the Forum Cartel.......oops i meant the vocal anti-bot group filling the spots of being both Judge and Jury.
Phil is not on trial here, he has explained why he uses traffic bots, he's also suggested that his sales would drop off by around 20% if he didn't use them. By either measure he still a very successful SL business owner. He is good what he does....and that is primarily is to design and create low prim furniture which are desirable. How much work went into creating over a 1000 bits of furniture ? That's a considerable amount of work and effort anyway you care to look at it. I tip my hat for that alone.

To simply pass off his buiness's success due solely to falsifying traffic is stretch on anyones imagination. It only takes a minimal amount of effort to log in 30 bots and even less of an effort to log them off.

Having profiled some of his chief critics....i have to wonder if theres an element of jealously involved. I might be completely wrong on that assumption...but it still makes me wonder!

hey!

@Pie Psaltery
thank you i know this site, all the apps are windows only, but it doesnt really matter.

Not even close. All I am is the one who posts here on the subject. If you are looking for self-styled gods, look no further than those who want to shape all of SL in their own image. A mirror might be useful