Just How Bad is the SL Economy

has? had?
watch out for the strap tho. My friends bro was playing and the strap broke and the Wii smashed the tv.

its way more fun that most games, and you get a great work out but it sure is dangerous.

posting it here too, just in case more folks are here and not paying attention to the new threads

just got off live help concerning the slowness of the website

they said they see no problems on their end and no one else has reported, so I told them.. I would inform people to report the slowness

so... if you are experiencing page load errors and overall slowness

either contact live help (if you can) or send in a ticket to let them know, it is slow and giving errors

Has. Remarkably it glued back on 99.9% operfectly and you can't see the join even if you look very close.

I've never let go of the hand control yet but it could happen. I sliced the head off with a big swing of my arm - a cross-court passing shot

ok...believe it or not..i found out that one of my childhood friends was on the team that created the wii.....he is now retired at a very young age LOL

How exactly does making all clothing no-copy force an organized inventory??? If anything, it does the exact opposite! If this actually works for you, then I have to believe you have very few clothing items to sort through.

As I stated before, I like to create subdirectories with my various outfit remixes. That way, when I want to put on a specific outfit, all I have to do is navigate to "Clothing -> Casual -> Skirt Outfits -> name of outfit I cobbled together, right-click -> Add All -> Done!

Using your method with my organization would require me to go:
Clothing -> Casual -> Tops -> what the hell was the name of that top that last month I thought would look great with that khaki miniskirt, but could not rename because the damned thing was no-mod?

Time passes...

Clothing -> Casual -> Skirts -> Miniskirts -> Crap! Now I can't remember what that skirt I wanted was called!

More time passes...

Clothing -> Undies -> some random lacy thing...
Clothing -> Shoes -> Primmed -> Heels -> and now I can't remember what that specific pair of shoes was called!

More time passes, and by now whatever event I was wanting to go to is already over.

As an aside, I also have a special folder in my inventory root labelled "Avatar Defaults". It contains a copy of my eyes, skin, shape, an outfit, and all my usual attachments. That way, if I've done any major changes to my appearance, I can revert back by simply dragging the folder onto my avatar. All fixed in half a second. If everything was set to no-copy just so we could have yard sales and so on, then how on earth would I be able to do any of this???

So now I know who to sue from my back injury

Wrong!

In the real world, things wear out and eventually becomes unusable. This process of decomposition helps perpetuate the market by driving a need to replace items that degrade. Nothing lasts forever in the real world and will eventually need to be replaced.

It does not work that way, however, in SL. An object, once created, will last for the life of the game, unless all copies are deleted first. If all clothing is allowed to be transferable, then yard sales, bargain basements, and Freebie Dungeons will continue to fill up with clothing items of ever-increasing quality as people leave the game or update their wardrobes. As this build-up continues, there will no longer be a need for Bob and Betty Newbie to buy clothes at full retail. For that matter, there won't be much reason for anyone to buy clothes at full retail, since the entire clothing market will have become a gigantic swap-meet.

If you don't think that will ultimately hurt clothing designers and the market as a whole, then you clearly have no understanding of how a virtual-world economy works.

Let's make it class action. I was out of work 2 days after Wii boxing with my daughter.

Oh, bloody hell!

*dives for cover*

Have you ever tried wrestling in peanut butter? That stuff is so thick it becomes hard to even move, let alone wrestle; and then there's the matter of all that peanut butter getting into - ummm, personal places, and the stuff is damned hard to clean out....

Ummmm.... Not that I would really know any of this, mind you....

@ Katheryne, despite some wrong assumptions you make about me, you bring up some good points and ask some questions that ideally I would like to discuss further, however for reasons stated above I am am not going to go further into to it here.

I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring your posts.

Fair enough. It seems the lag usually associated with being in-world SL has infected its forums as well, making having a meaningful discussion rather difficult.

PB-and-bacon sandwiches: I actually tried that once when I was pregnant. It was actually rather tasty!

A little SL history...

First off, the facts. Transfer clothing is an evolution that we have reached in SL consumerism. In 2004 through 2005 most designers clothing was NO COPY/Transfer, and people bemoaned not being able to make outfits but at the same time SWAP MEETS/FLEA MARKETS were HUGE and people sold their old clothing items and things there all the time and we are talking multi-sim flea markets. Time has changed this as more and more users have come to SL and making outfits became popular once again (as it was only popular in 2003 when perms were broken).

The rational Katheryne gives above does not coincide with the actual realities of SL. The realities being I can whip out stuff from 2003-2005 and it looks dated. There are things from 2006 that are now looking dated as well. And as SL continues to evolve and grow build styles will evolve and change and new building conventions will be adopted in the various SL building industries (furniture/prefab/sex stuff/vehicles/etc..) and the older builds will fall to the side because they look dated or the scripting engine powering the items is itself old and outdated.

I don't know, Katheryne may have an idea of how other virtual economies work, but definitely not a firm grip on the history of how things actually sell in SL.

Good post!
Although i'm not in the fashion industry as yet, what you stated makes perfect sense....and in the long term i could see this happening.

My sister and I ate peanut butter and sardine sandwiches when we were young. Never had a repeat of that particular urge when I was pregnant

Now THAT would have made me hurl.... Pregnant or not!

ewww

reminds me of when I was at a potluck bridal shower many years ago....

someone brought sardine sandwiches and like a dummy I thought it was tuna.... ewwwwwww

needless to say I dislike sardines, nasty little fish

Exactly. I have stuff in perfectly good condition hanging in my RL wardrobe from last year that I wouldnt be seen dead in today. Last years fashions are just that. Last years. Same with my SL wardrobe.

Dunno about Phil but I LOVE peanut butter all melty on toast with just a little honey drizzled over it. YUM!

Depends how serious you're about Fashion! Certainly there are large numbers of female consumers that search & desire unsual items, or keep up with the latest fashion mode ....its certainly that portion of the Community that keeps the Fashion sector (and some related sectors) ticking over.

On the other hand there are large numbers that will make do with a lot less in terms of Fashion or spend a lot less Lindens or live off quality Designer "Freebies" & "Dollarbies" or just make do with a few outfits to get around in. Then you have Content creators who are too busy creating to worry about fashion at all as they probably don't venture out much further than their Store or Workshop.

As for Men...well a large portion would rather drop 1000 L on the latest gadgets as opposed to buying a suit from Blaze. Boys and their Toys so to speak!

Lots of things sound logical or rational but are not.

What she said flies in the face of how things actually work in SL, im using history for my reference, while her's is based on anything but SL history.

Oh another bit of SL history i forgot to mention.

The primary reason why so many content creators shifted from No Copy, to No Transfer was directly related to the Swap Meet/Flea Market fever that overtook SL in 04 and 05 along with the fact that content creators hated finding their stuff for sale in other peoples stores at competitive prices as well as at rip off prices. No one creator wanted to help these people who bought their items over priced from some resell shop - and that goes for clothing creators as well.

So more and more people switched to No Transfer - and that transition was made in 06 and 07 and was the defacto standard for many things come 08.

The permissions that many content creators use now are strictly based on protectionism practices, plain and simple, nothing more.

We do what we can as far as our credit cards go anyways in any world

True. As there are lots of people who enjoy rummaging through the seconds bins, opshops and factory shops in real. Crowds of people sometimes. Same as in SL when hunts and sales are on. Is all good fun for lots of people and even if the stuff is freebie then it at least helps the shop owners with people traffic and green dots and stuff like that. As do yard and jumble sales as well where people can sell on any trans stuff they no longer want.

Well if they were fashion designers then that would be a worry

True. Unless you are maybe Bone Mosten, or maybe even more whoever it was who came second, a name I cant remember

History is just that.....history!
For the last 20 plus years most Western economies enjoyed growth year on year in just about every sector in the real world .e.g houses, cars, consumer goods, fashion, computing, travel, holidays etc etc........now in 2008/ 2009 we see a large contraction of significant proportions in just about every one of those sectors!

So I'm inclined to go with Katheryne prediction, because history has shown "bubbles do burst!"

lolwut???

Bubble burst?

Things get old and dated in SL - that is not a bubble, it is a fact of SL history and as long as LL evolves the grid and gives us new tools, mesh, building shapes, things will continue to get old and look dated.

Old and dated things do not resell well in SL, fact #2.

Everything you stated in your quoted post is a total non-sequitor - completely unrelated to SL in this discussion.

That was a weird reply Rene.