Just How Bad is the SL Economy

lol *tries to imagine making 1/2 yard of fabric cover her bottom*

Well crap that was my last cup of coffee and I just spilled half of it.

hahaha... well... I did end up incorporating another fabric, but it a way that the print I really wanted to use was highlighted in the design!

ok...just for clarity...george bush was NOT in politics all is life...he was a rich kid who owned a baseball team who decided to run for gov of texas and then president. it is a very small portion of this life that has been in politics...smile.

LOL

We are talking 2002. Not "after the fact" when the realization hit as to the sheer volume of file space sound files could take up, streaming them to each client and so on and so forth.

Sure there are technological reasons. But as i think most experienced SLers who have time in world know, LL implements things without realizing the impact until after the fact - when SL was born in 2002, legal ramifications of illegal song trading inside this new virtual world was LL's main concern and primary reason for making it so restricted. And due to the physics of computing, it this limitation was also beneficial to reducing stress on the overall grid and client experience - which LL could not know in 2002 or 2003 seeing how come 4am in october 2003 there would only be <10 people on the entire grid - so the stress on the client, the bandwidth, the sim, was not their concern at that time.

But alas, you obviously have the answers.

Many people here are disagreeing with you but yet you push on. Good on ya mate. Here is another pic for you, i know how much you love them

What i'm trying to say is this...without LL technoloigcal improvements to raise the innovativion bar out of sight...i think you'll be able to sell a "well made" garment this year in say 2010 or 2011. Its that simple

I will put it another way, i first started an SL shop in Dec 2006, I'm still selling shapes made from that period (and tweaked a bit over time) in 2009. Why? Because they are good shapes, still good designs and customers like those few older models....and the way to make shapes has not changed in that time. i.e no Technological advancement. Now if the "Avatar Mesh" were to change in the near future....all of that old stock would have to be binned and new ones created using the new "Meshing" system.

It's really that simple, I don't how much easier i can explain it. its not hard to see what i'm trying to say. The skirt with creases, might be the norm standard next year.

Shapes...Well that explains your perspective. A non-technological advancement influenced field where innovation is non-existent nor rewarded and stagnation is prevalent.

Depends on the garment and the fashion field. 2010, probably, 2011, unlikely.

I will say that some fashions can be timeless...but that is not what we are talking about. The fashion trends and styles in the various fields are constantly evolving and reverting and blending. Clothing will ALWAYS look dated eventually. excluding except period pieces, i.e Victorian Era, 1920's, 70's...etc.

To be honest if i lacked creativity or artisitic ability, I certainly would not contemplate being a fashion designer.....you'd choose something else to do, something that you have some sort of talent for, even if it were only a little.

Might be different in the Mens sector...as us males are not so into keeping up with the latest fashion. Also not every female entering SL is a would be fashionista...some like you say will opt for timeless or conservative type garments.

be·lit·tled, be·lit·tling, be·lit·tles -- To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage: a person who belittled our efforts to do the job right.

In the process of an In-world conversation with you Rhaorth, you publicly belittled me in front of other people about my general comments. You do not need to complain about your own standards not being fullfilled and stack them up against other peoples success.
You cover your bum by saying "sales are low by my standards (but might be considered high by others). You say " just what constitutes great sales?" Do you think we are going to base that great sales red line on your standards and hold it as the dictating marker because you say so in some form of wisdom that shows the shallow nature of your VIP complex. Your head has swollen to the same size as the head on Avatar Island.

I knew a Rhaorth at tiny little night club that had humility back in late 06.

You have forgotten your like every other resident here in SecondLlife.
But you get a little power and misuse it and the votes start coming in.
You have my vote, not to mention the others that have expressed themselves to me.
I'm not trying to start a war here but, you need to come down from 4096m.
I've been here since 2006 also Rhaorth and I have seen your progression.

You have these hours posted on Avatar island to help people out but we can barely get you to answer any questions and then you get annoyed when a noobie is just learning the ropes. I have personally seen you push non-english speaking people off Avatar island because they didnt speak your language.

I'm also sure you will ban me from Avatar island as you might get mad about my forum post because im giving you a little heat. 8D If you want to do somthing stupid like ban me from avatar island thats fine but it will just go to show other people the truth about your attitude and agenda. I also see you take this same line of thinking here in the forums, as I have included a previous post of yours.


02-13-2009, 05:57 AM #28
Rhaorth Antonelli
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,944 the thing that comes to mind, when I see people saying sales are great etc

just what constitutes great sales?

what might be astounding to one, might be minuscule to another...

for me, 500L in sales a day is very low sales

( I use the 500L as a marker, as that was what I needed before to break even on land fees per month, 500L per day in sales) and lately not even getting that

sales are low by my standards (but might be considered high by others)






Question? How many people are you going to step on in Secondlife before it comes back to bite you in the bum?

That just one type of business i'm involved in, it happened to be the starter business thats all. It still requires a certain amount of skill no matter what you think....its just in terms of innovation, that sector is pretty much exhausted. i could just as well easily build a house.....doesn;t make it a good one or a desirable one!

I get where your coming from. Youre going to make clothes for guys who maybe buy maybe 4 or 5 outfits a year, if that, in both RL and SL. Guys who will wear clothes in RL until they fall off. Thats ok if you are and you are right. Those guys are simple to please and simple to cater for.

There is another guy market though. The metromale. And there are far more metromales in SL than in real. Even when many of them are not metromales in real. In SL these guys are just as fashion-concious as their female counterparts. It is these guys who buy lots of stuff. But thats not who youre going to cater for ya ???

Oh Snap!

Yep, it will be a small line business ...a shop of its own....maybe a few mall spots to get the name known a bit......but nothing heavy. It will be more conservative or timeless wear......i won't be spending much time analysing whats the latest mens fashion nor competing against those innovative companies. I'm not a fashion guru and nor do i keep up with the latest fashion trends....nor do i pretend to be one, nor do I want to be one. Not interested whether i will be ever blogged about, or asked to attend a fashion show....this is just a little side business to compliment my other activities. Every now and again new items will be added

I will be happy if adds a few hundred Lindens a day. I should be able to do that through cross traffic and cross marketing

Heck if I know. Who the hell buys shapes? Guys who don't want to learn how to use the sliders, I guess... the fact that there's even a market for shapes has always boggled my mind.

Yea totally. I cannot understand this. But many people just want to come here and instantly look good with little but preferably no effort at all.

I can understand having someone else close to you make your shape, but buying off the shelf shapes and using them without modding it is really beyond belief for me.

If i told how much i sold each month, indeed your eyes would boggle! haha
Yes people can make shapes, because the tool is available in the SL viewer, now whether they can make one well....that's a different ballgame. For the record females buy my shapes more than males. It's all about supply and demand...cookie!


Maybe you guys need to step out of the RA forums and smell the coffee in SL instead and find out what's cooking!

PS They are Mod!

A few people have eluded to how much they make in the forums and when i visit their shop and linger for 30mins or so I see maybe 1 person come through, so I am not sure as to how they are raking it in hand over fist if at any given time the biz is empty.


Totally.



I'v contributed to the grid in a major SL shape changing way -twice-, i smell the coffee all the time and have a good idea about what is cooking as do most users of these forums - these are not inexperienced people or people who do not explore or seek innovation and new things throughout the grid all the time. This forum is a made up of a very active bunch of SL residents who more times that not have their fingers on the pulse of SL.

Yeah whatever.....you assume too much. It doesn't surprise me all the rest of your assumptions are way off base too!

Yea you are right...

I's sowwies.

You base your info on the global economy and how it relates to SL, and something about the lack of technological innovation stifling creative change and innovation in SL which numerous people have disagreed with in this thread.

But yet my "assumptions" are way off base.

I believe the only "assumption" i made was based on the past history of SL and my projecting it as an example of what could happen in the future and thinking it would be taken in the light it was given, a historical perspective that conflicts with a projected model by someone who has only been in SL for 8 months.

*shrug*

Yeah, but the person you are referring to as being 8 Months old might be closer the mark than you for all your age'ism. She might be a hell of lot smarter than you....and from where i'm standing, she probably is.

i was using RL economies as an analogy of things that went wrong in RL might happen here.....i did not say (and please paste me my quote) that RL economy was impacting SL. I did however say the the Land econonmy bubble has burst quite awhile back, this is common knowledge....that wasn't influenced by RL economy either but more to do with LL policy changes and land strategies.

Yes, i stand by my quote regarding additional technology into SL is not limitless.
I already posted 2 quotes from Linden employess that said "sculpties drain resources". We also know that the SL platform could not handle a 2-3 minute sound file regardless of whether or not it would like them or not. These are all facts

The SL economy is very very naughty! Bad economy! Go sit in a corner! YOU GET NO DESSERT! -- The SL economy's mum.

In a world where people still pay DB good money for the worthless copybot protector, no, I don't think so.

How much do you think people have lost in total from land purchases either on Mainland or on Estate duiring the last 2 years. Off the top of my head i can think of 3 occasions...or maybe 5

- Spring 2007, LL dumps a ton of new SIMs to create a new continent, the effect was to drive the sqm pricing on Mainland which later trickled onto Estates as well. Too bad for those people who bought overpriced land before that

- April 2008 - LL lowers the costs of purchasing a SIM from 1675 $ to 1000 $ wiping off 40% of SIM resale values. Too bad for all those purchases of SIMs before then.

- Oct 2008 - Having sold 15000 Open Space Sims, LL decided to raise the tiers and purchase prices.....which leads to mass dumping and mass SIM conversions. Too bad for those that bought OS sims between Apr- Oct 08

plus but to a lesser degree

- Summer 07 - LL decides to impliment VAT charges to European Land owners, leading to a sell off of parcels on Mainland and in some cases the sale of European owned estates (being less competitive in terms of rental pricing)

- Gambling Ban - Casino owners take a large hit on the money spent on assets (machines,) not to mention the sale of SIMs as their business models collapses.


So although your comment was meant to be light hearted and in jest, I'm sure a lot of peeps won't see the funny side.