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Kira Cuddihy
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04-05-2008 09:06
From: Raymond Figtree
I can do it in under a minute.

/me keeps her mouth shut on that one ;)
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MarieElize Noel
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04-05-2008 09:07
From: Yummy Freelunch
You know, I come here and read all the posts about how horrible a job Linden Lab is doing, and how disgusted people are, and fed up, and "im going to leave SL", etc etc..I swear, it's like a bunch of old women and spoiled rotten "Britney Spears"...does anyone ever realize how hard of a job it is to cater to all of us "I want it NOW' ppl? Second Life is a platform like nothign else out there, it's constantly changing, it isnt a static game like WOW. Im sure they're doing their very best to get things right. Im sure they dont want a shitty platform just as much as you dont. Does anyone say anything positive? Sorry, I just really hate bitching right now.


As someone who pays her real life mortage and kid in college from SL I can feel the pain of those who are frustrated. but GIVE ME A BREAK... We have not had this bad of issue since a few months ago, when then it was every other day!!! So give THEM a break ((LL))!!!! I would rather be out of it for a short time, and yes it has only been a short time. Maybe not in "I have nothing else to do world" but in SL or RL time it has been short. I am currently shopping for a computer and my requirements are to run SL the best way I can. So I am not only investing time but money in this venture. And I for one appreciate those who are working behind the Grid to get it working. And I hope the time they have to take to "update" us cause others are screaming "We want to know what is going on!!" is not taking them from valuable repair time or adding to the length the Grid will be down.
So Kudo's to Yummy and LL.... and OMG the woman had her kids taken away when she could have afford the best nanny around, so yeah I have alot against Britney!!!
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Zed Kiergarten
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04-05-2008 09:09
One positive thing I will say is that at least they are updating their blog fairly regularly.
Dekka Raymaker
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04-05-2008 09:09
From: Kira Cuddihy
/me keeps her mouth shut on that one ;)

but its ok for you to let go after a minute
Pocket Pfeffer
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04-05-2008 09:14
From: Rebecca Proudhon
The extent of Phallus griefing in wow:




OUCH!!!!!! :eek:
Tristin Mikazuki
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04-05-2008 09:15
People "bitch" because they know SL can and should be better then it is.. if any thing we need MORE not less.
If we dont push them.. ya really think they will push themselfs?.. ie the tao of linden.. the love machine?... no ceo ect ect
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04-05-2008 09:16
From: Yummy Freelunch
someone has to stick up for the grid monkies..:P


They get paid whether the grid is up or down, they get paid overtime when it's down. WE only get paid when it's up.

That might be why those who complain about problems, do so.
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Starling Cazalet
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04-05-2008 09:18
ok for one Yummy your a hypocrite your bitching right along with us doesnt matter if your bitching about the grid or about us bitching your doing it as well. second we do deserve better then this especially when we invest so much into secondlife, you would think they would have got their act together and fixed it already since 2003.

I say we get rid of the the new things they keep adding to sl since it wasnt as bad before as it is now
Yummy Freelunch
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04-05-2008 09:19
at least we can get some exersize now so we wont look like this
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Yummy Freelunch
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04-05-2008 09:20
From: Starling Cazalet
ok for one Yummy your a hypocrite your bitching right along with us doesnt matter if your bitching about the grid or about us bitching your doing it as well. second we do deserve better then this especially when we invest so much into secondlife, you would think they would have got their act together and fixed it already since 2003.

I say we get rid of the the new things they keep adding to sl since it wasnt as bad before as it is now

lunch served!
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DaQbet Kish
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04-05-2008 09:21
GRAT!!! Now my wife wants me to take her shopping “since I’m not playing my game”
Thanks LL...thanks alot! :mad:


/I'll be right there hun :o
Sensual Anaconda
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04-05-2008 09:22
From: DaQbet Kish
GRAT!!! Now my wife wants me to take her shopping “since I’m not playing my game”
Thanks LL...thanks alot! :mad:


/I'll be right there hun :o

lmao
Robert Giacomin
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I understand what you saying, but still
04-05-2008 09:25
I mean it's like this.. I have tried other games, they just dont do for me. On top of that, it does affect my business. No, i dont rely on SL for RL income, but it's nice to be able to come in and not hear folks complaining about lag, cant recieve payments, can rez things, ect. I had to go out and get a new computer because of the recent "update" cause my old one cant run SL anymore. Now if that is not dedication.. i dont know what is. I can still do everything else on the old one, but because i can update my graphics card in it...no SL. So that plus the money i pay each month, i expect a little better. Back in the day, when i first started..it never seemed like we had this many problems, now it's a new issue every day.
Ricardo Harris
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04-05-2008 09:26
From: Yummy Freelunch
You know, I come here and read all the posts about how horrible a job Linden Lab is doing, and how disgusted people are, and fed up, and "im going to leave SL", etc etc..I swear, it's like a bunch of old women and spoiled rotten "Britney Spears"...does anyone ever realize how hard of a job it is to cater to all of us "I want it NOW' ppl? Second Life is a platform like nothign else out there, it's constantly changing, it isnt a static game like WOW. Im sure they're doing their very best to get things right. Im sure they dont want a shitty platform just as much as you dont. Does anyone say anything positive? Sorry, I just really hate bitching right now.




And how much are you getting paid for this? Obviously, you have to be on their payroll to come here to bitch about people who have a right to complain being the service here is lousy. Or maybe you feel they should do as you do and swallow all this bullshit while paying money for a service they or we're not getting.

You hate bitching right now you say, but what do you think you're doing by ranting about others? I'll tell you a secret, you're doing it too and worse.
Ricardo Harris
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04-05-2008 09:28
From: Brenda Connolly
So you opened a "bitching about the bitching" thread. I like your style.




Apparently.

Go figure.
Ricardo Harris
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04-05-2008 09:32
From: Starling Cazalet
ok for one Yummy your a hypocrite your bitching right along with us doesnt matter if your bitching about the grid or about us bitching your doing it as well. second we do deserve better then this especially when we invest so much into secondlife, you would think they would have got their act together and fixed it already since 2003.

I say we get rid of the the new things they keep adding to sl since it wasnt as bad before as it is now




Good, at least someone else isn't catering to the op with jokes because she happens to be their friend on these forums.
Conifer Dada
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04-05-2008 09:38
I agree with Yummy. Second Life is wonderful and we should always be grateful to Linden Lab for what we have overall, the big picture, as it were.

Yes, it is annoying if things don't work properly, especially if it disrupts a planned special occasion, but these things happen almost everywhere. Another website my RL was looking at, that is nothing to do with SL, has been down for maintenance all day - it's not just SL that goes wrong.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-05-2008 09:39
From: Raymond Figtree
I can do it in under a minute.

OK people. We're on in ..5...4....3......2.....
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Victor1st Mornington
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04-05-2008 09:45
From: Yummy Freelunch
You know, I come here and read all the posts about how horrible a job Linden Lab is doing, and how disgusted people are, and fed up, and "im going to leave SL", etc etc..I swear, it's like a bunch of old women and spoiled rotten "Britney Spears"...does anyone ever realize how hard of a job it is to cater to all of us "I want it NOW' ppl? Second Life is a platform like nothign else out there, it's constantly changing, it isnt a static game like WOW. Im sure they're doing their very best to get things right. Im sure they dont want a shitty platform just as much as you dont. Does anyone say anything positive? Sorry, I just really hate bitching right now.



Lets take a look at the cold hard numbers shall we?

World of WarCRACK - 11.2 Million subscribers...averaging at 1.5 million connected at any one time on the central routing system with peaks during weekend averaging at 3.1 million on the central routing system with packet loss at 1.2%

EVE Online - A little under 2 million confirmed paying customers averaging at 500,000 people connected with a packet loss on the main routing network listed as 0.28% Also, EVE has the biggest world of ANY mmo...even Second Life itself.

Guild Wars - Doesnt count...its highly instanced...

The Korean MMO's...

Fly For Fun - A free hack and slash MMO with a confirmed 1.9 million subscribed (payment on file) userbase and an average of 130,000 online at any time, listed 0.01% packet loss on the main router but has problems with the atlantic routing system.

There is about another 10 MMO's i can list here, some are instanced, some are fully online.

What do all of the above MMO's have in common? They all took 3 years to develop and were released and patched then expanded by the time the 5 year mark came along.

Why is Second Life considered "special"? Cause the rest of the gaming market consider Second Life nothing more than a 5 year beta test game, why do you think no other SERIOUS game developer is using the Second Life Grid? Why do you think no other serious gane developer has taken over Linden Labs i mean come on Yummy...EA Games is running around buying any 2 bit tom dick and harry gaming company, Activision just took over Blizzard/Vivendi in a 10.1 BILLION...yeah...BILLION dollar deal....

Yet here is linden labs, with their half baked useless coders and a backend routing system which has so many holes and code shortcuts it makes 1 year students bust a gut laughing.

I've worked for a few of the big names out there, Interplay (in their heyday), Activision (in their prime pre "Acti LACK OF Vision" days), MicroProse (before the Hasbro takeover). I am literally shocked that Linden Labs have managed to keep this going for this long without having to sell the whole kit and kaboodle as an on going concern...

I'm not a premium user, i rent my land but if i was a premium user i would be on the parapet shouting down at the lindens asking the simple question...

...what the heck are you doing with all the money you are getting?! Hire some decent coders FFS!
Tamii Gwynneville
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04-05-2008 09:49
Victor nailed it.

The reason that LL hasn't been bought out, is that nobody wants this steaming pile. It would cost more to retrofit and fix, than it would to scrap it all and star over.

SL is the laughingstock of MMORGs, pure plain and simple.
Rebecca Proudhon
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04-05-2008 09:50
From: Victor1st Mornington
, Activision just took over Blizzard/Vivendi in a 10.1 BILLION...yeah...BILLION dollar deal....


Other way around. Blizzard bought controlling interest in Activision-Blizzard.
Kokoro Fasching
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04-05-2008 09:51
From: Victor1st Mornington
Lets take a look at the cold hard numbers shall we?

World of WarCRACK - 11.2 Million subscribers...averaging at 1.5 million connected at any one time on the central routing system with peaks during weekend averaging at 3.1 million on the central routing system with packet loss at 1.2%

EVE Online - A little under 2 million confirmed paying customers averaging at 500,000 people connected with a packet loss on the main routing network listed as 0.28% Also, EVE has the biggest world of ANY mmo...even Second Life itself.

Guild Wars - Doesnt count...its highly instanced...

The Korean MMO's...

Fly For Fun - A free hack and slash MMO with a confirmed 1.9 million subscribed (payment on file) userbase and an average of 130,000 online at any time, listed 0.01% packet loss on the main router but has problems with the atlantic routing system.

There is about another 10 MMO's i can list here, some are instanced, some are fully online.

What do all of the above MMO's have in common? They all took 3 years to develop and were released and patched then expanded by the time the 5 year mark came along.



And what not one of them up there have that Second Life does? User Created Content. Everyone one of those games have ALL the content already installed on the user's PC's, and only has to send positional data, and the chat information.

Amount of difference in network load? About 1000%.
Oodlemi Noodle
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04-05-2008 09:52
Are any of the test grids up?
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Brenda Connolly
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04-05-2008 09:52
From: Victor1st Mornington
Lets take a look at the cold hard numbers shall we?
Why is Second Life considered "special"? Cause the rest of the gaming market consider Second Life nothing more than a 5 year beta test game.........


This has been mentioned before. If we are all Beta Testers on the main grid as some have postulated, what is the Beta Grid, then? A "Pre Beta" grid?
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Cherry Czervik
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04-05-2008 09:54
From: Yummy Freelunch
You know, I come here and read all the posts about how horrible a job Linden Lab is doing, and how disgusted people are, and fed up, and "im going to leave SL", etc etc..I swear, it's like a bunch of old women and spoiled rotten "Britney Spears"...does anyone ever realize how hard of a job it is to cater to all of us "I want it NOW' ppl? Second Life is a platform like nothign else out there, it's constantly changing, it isnt a static game like WOW. Im sure they're doing their very best to get things right. Im sure they dont want a shitty platform just as much as you dont. Does anyone say anything positive? Sorry, I just really hate bitching right now.


Well said.

Those of you who actually WORK in this field - not business apps, mind - actual honest-to-god online games of any persuasion - who can do a better job - I suggest you submit your CV to Linden.

Otherwise - belt up! I am losing money as we speak ... sense of perspective is required here.
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