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I'd agree with you except the part about the botrunners themselves. I'm all in favour of getting rid of the bots.

No.

I already explained it in my reply to lear.

I always thought this was a good point.

But the argument you hear is, "Bots use hardly any resources, so actually they use none at all!"

And we're supposed to be stupid enough to accept that. Yeah, .5 plus .5 plus .2 - well, those are such tiny amounts, the answer is obviously zero! And 1.2 times 20,000 - hey, that's also zero!

Who knew.

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I've never seen that argument, and I've been in most bot threads here for quite while now.

Unfortunately, there are international users for whom this statement is not true; they don't possess any method of payment that Linden Lab will accept. Credit card ownership is not nearly so universal in some parts of the world as it is in the US, and PayPal can only be tied to a bank account in a handful of countries. LL will accept wire transfers, but a payment method that typically has a US$15-20 transaction cost on top of whatever money you're actually trying to spend isn't a good option for small purchases.

Nonetheless, I agree that people who actually pay money to LL on a regular basis should have some priority. Concierge-level customers and premium accounts are obvious; there might be some way to identify large buyers and/or sellers of L$ as well and flag them as a form of paying user.

You basically have made that argument dozens of times!

You basically imply they use so low resources there is NEVER a reason to log them out.


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But realistically if 100 traffic bots could be logged out to let ONE active player log in, then that would be the right thing to do.

An Argument I have made also several times, which you pointedly ignored.

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@ phil
do you have a special deal with LindenLabs or is every business/simowner allowed to run the same amount of traffic bots / camp bots per sqm as you have in your sim?
with 30k sims what amount of bots will you expect?

Yes I have a special deal. It's called the ToS.

As many as are useful.

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ok no answer is an answer

30k sims and every business/simowner will run the same amount of traffic bots / camp bots per sqm as you have in your sim what amount of bots will you expect?
300.000 or more or less? a simple question isnt it?

Then you don't need me to answer it.

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as i remember in another thread you have said 10 - 30 bots for half a sim isnt it?

30k sims x 10 bots / half a sim = 30k x 10 x 2 = 600.000 bots / grid
30k sims x 30 bots / half a sim = 30k x 30 x 2 = 1.800.000 bots / grid

so when every businessowner / simowner runs the same amount of bots per sqm as you have running we would have 600.000 - 1.800.000 bots on grid.

But your question was, How many bots do I expect, and I answered it.

thats okay. even with 1 million plus bots ...

Somehow, magically, they would never affect normal people logging in.

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@ phil i think you know what i mean
would you like every businessowner / simowner runs the same amount of bots per sqm as you have running?

Then why didn't you ask that in the first place? What I would like is of no interest to anyone else.

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to have facts first, we are talkin bout 600k - 1.800k bots on grid
cos -> every businessowner / simowner has a special deal. It's called the ToS.

for me it is

We are not talking about that - you are.

Alright, so let me put it another way. What I would like is nobody else's business.

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ok, ...
when every businessowner / simowner runs the same amount of bots per sqm as you have running, how many bots will we have on grid?

You do not need a premium account to own an island you just order the sim from LL like everyone else. Premium accounts are only needed if you want to buy mainland and yes i am a premium member since the day i rejoined SL and im also a concierge customer, but that doesnt make me anymore special than any other customer for LL IMHO.

I see you complaing about BOTs but by your own admission above you leave yourself logged in 24/7, so when you are sleeping and not controling your avatar is it not then a BOT and i take it you are not wasting SL resources either?? Just wondering

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hm thought i will need premium for an island, however, my mistake, but it doesnt matter and i will stay premium so i can earn the weekly stipend

yes when im sleepin im a "bot_like_slshape?", many friends of mine are us residents and im european so i can hear their IM ring.

i think i should have the right to enter my sim when i pay monthly fee US$ 295 + vat for, but maybe im wrong.

just my 2 cents

How would I know? I can't foretell how many sims and businesses there will be by then. But why ask me?

Yeah i pay annually and get 500L$ a week so its worth it for me for the stipend alone lol dam i would hate to be disturbed through my sleep with IM pings so i set mine to email and yes most on my friends list are Stateside

I agree that you have the right to login in when you pay for a sim, glad we are VAT registered here dam VAT is a pain now lol everyone that contributes to the economy has the right to login if LL allows us to, but we all sometimes forget that this is just a program owned and run by LL and they call all the shots, not us, so while they allow BOTs then creating friction in the forums as ive seen by people is a waste of time IMHO if you feel you or anyone else feels they are not needed then people should directly complain in a proper manner to LL and see what the powers to be have to say about it.

None of us, unless we are employed by LL knows whats in the pipeline and what will happen next to this platform, dam it could fold or be sold tomorrow and none of us would have any recourse as we all agreed to the TOS and by doing so signed up to say we agree with it.

I work for one of the biggest software companies in the world after Microslop and daily i speak to people complaining about this and that and when i explain that they should have read the software's EULA as its all explained there, they admit they have never read it.

I agree in some instances BOTs are a pain and chew up some resources and to me gaming the search feature is crazy when good old fashioned hard work to generate traffic is a better option and why fill a sim with BOTs so that others cant visit well its mad lol but while LL allow it then we have no option than to accept it as we all agreed with the TOS and in the meantime complain to LL and set the cases out for them to investigate and see if they will change the rules, but i would say don't hold your breath lol

Again just my personal thoughts and not an attack on anyone

NPIOF can reach PIOF simply by listing a credit card: no purchase necessary. Clearly, it's not the money, it's something else, like security or anonymity.

That keeps being held up as an excuse but noone ever can quite name that elusive country where credit cards haven't been invented yet and which make up a significant portion of SL residents.

If someone doesn't have a credit card and doesn't feel SL is worth getting one for then that's not an inability, it's a conscious choice and not something that needs to be cuddled.

There will be a handful of people out of a half million of residents who for one reason or another can't get payment info (unemployed, bad credit, etc) but SL isn't going to go under if they can't access it.

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no problem

in january i will change to annually too


sometimes when im sleeping its hard yes, but i wont have email spam thats why i have IM -> emails dissabled

well im freelancer game developer. LindenLabs gives me a great game engine incl gameserver exactly what i was lookin for. im on 24/7 cos im a workoholic, i often cannot sleep when im building, scripting, or i go to sleep for 1, 2 hours maybe 2-3 times a day, when im not logged out i can sleep better cos i COULD work whenever i want it, thats the nature of the game you know.

in the very first beginning of my SecondLife i steped into a mass camperplace, it was deserted with hundreds of people around, sitting, dancing, i was friendly sayin "hi" but no response, i felt so lonesome in between al the "happy" zombies, it was awful, frustrating.
i would like to have bots to fight as ie quake3 teamarena bots

yes LindenLab can do whatever they wanna do but same for our government, military, ... life is dangerous