Logins temporarily disabled

Huh, it's gone up to 65,368 accounts logged in and logins are still 'disabled' even though the number online has increased by about 2,500 since my last post. I'm not convinced or impressed.

------> START BOOTING BOTS OFF NOW <-------

Finally got in

The first thing LL should do before restricting logins is to start booting bots to make way for logins with real people 'at the wheel'. If and only if all the bots are booted and there are still an excess of login requests should logins be restricted.

Problem is there's no easy way to tell the difference. As far as the grid is concerned, each and every one of us is just an instance of the client software connecting - and bots are exactly the same.

I'm certain it's already been discussed by people much more knowledgeable than I am, but I might be in favor of a hard limit to concurrent connections from the same IP address, if it were done right. No it wouldn't eliminate bots, but I imagine a substantial percentage of bots are currently multiple instances of a slim client running on the same box, or on different boxes behind the same router.

Anti.... I would presume that most bots are command line clients that do not process the graphics data. I'm sure there are whole swathes of other data that the regular client uses that are either not processed or discarded by bots. Similarly there must be identifiable patterns of behaviour that would mark out a client as being a bot. There needs to be some way to verify that an account is a real user or a bot. I for one would be quite happy to jump through a 'CAPTCHA' hoop at login if it was able to reduce the flood of bots.

Yeah, still disabled. Boot off the Bots.

I am with Suzanne!! Unlike a lot of you I am no computer whiz but I do pay a good amount, I think for me each month and I have been member for a long time!!!

Wonder why they can't just fix what broke before adding a bunch of stuff that a lot of us can't use anyway. I guess money talks more that being a faithful user for a long time!!!

Doubt Linden Labs reads this stuff and probably don't give a hoot about me but at least I got my piece said!!!!

@Anti , every avatar that logs onto the grid has a unique client UUID, bot UUID's are different form the main viewers and release candidates. linden labs wont boot other UUID's because like me i use a text client

humm.., rethinking the buying my own sim idea. And i'm not telling anYone to join anymore. If they cant handle the people that are here they dont need any more.
AND I am personally BOYCOTTING!! SL..., TILL THEY LET ME LOG IN!

Unbelievable. I just logged back in and it crashed 5 minutes in.

Status blog:-

You do realise that the *very last* you want to happen is for the bots to be booted out, don't you?

what does unable to connect to simulator mean? i hate to ask ...but its anoying me.

Thanks peeps

It seems like LL is rotating "you aren't getting in" messages.

Short version.. they tried it.

Reuters called them.

LL said it was an experiment, that no longer served the function for which it was intended... and wouldn't be happening again.

With the number of non-premium accounts who own ISLANDS... I can't imagine why anyone would think that "premium membership" entitled them to anything more than the ability to own land on the mainland estate.

I'm a premium account holder. I don't want a special level of service. I want EVERYONE to receive the best service possible. For the moment, that means limiting logins wile they try and fix things. I'm okay with that.

NPIOF's can and do play a very active role, they can generate inworld income and pay rentals which contribute to the economy as a whole. I've just been looking at some clothing created by someone who is NPIOF, she has a store, she rents at malls yadda yadda yadda.

Then there are of course alts, some of whom are more active than someone's original main account.

hey!

are they billed by lindenlabs?


im premium, islandowner and own a parcel on mainland, my business time 8-24h GT, im on 24/7 so i can hear the IM ring, even when im sleepin.
my us friends cannot visit me at the moment but i can see rows of nonmoving green dots on the worldmap, sadly. humans should have more rights than bots no matter if they pay or not

Except that anyone's who's been around n a time when logons are "blocked" lately knows some people get in.

How is it if all logons are blocked this happens?

Obviously its more complex than your quoted comment by LL.

Don't presume to tell me what I'd want, it just makes you look like an idiot. Fortunately, I know you well enough to know you're *not* an idiot, but it would help if you wouldn't make idiotic posts.

Booting bots would be way up on my list, were it feasible. However, I believe that any automated mechanism to detect and kick off bots would be quickly circumvented by bot makers and would erroneously kick off humans, and THAT cure would be worse than the disease.

I'm not opposed to bots in general; I'm sure they have useful purposes. However, I'm opposed to most bots in practice, which exist for deceitful purposes: to artificially inflate traffic figures. I'm in favor of any sensible change that renders this offensive, selfish, and deceitful practice ineffective (i.e. getting rid of traffic stats as a ranking factor in Search results).

I refuse to purchase from any place that has a bot farm. Unfortunately, I'm in too little company for this to be effective.

Actually I'd like to see bot runners such as yourself and your armies of bots run off the grid permanently. I shall now sit back with my popcorn and tick off your list of bogus points while you blow hot and cold about how wonderful your bots are.

Would you care to elucidate us as to what benefit bots are bringing to residents who are locked out when the grid becomes overloaded?

Would you care to explain why you would think this? What benefit is your bot army providing the rest of us, that they would be the very last thing we'd want booted out. They are on the top of my list of things I want gone, even when the grid is performing in peak condition.

Bot runners claim that bots use a lot less resources than live avs. This may be true, but they are missing something here...

Let's say the grid is at capacity, at 67,000. 10,000 bots, just for argument. So, 57,000 real people are in SL.

If we get rid of all the bots, it's true that we could not fit another 10,000 live avatars into the available resources. But let's say that four bots equal one avatar. So, if we ban the bots, instead of 57,000 people on line, we could have 59,500...another 2,500 real players, interacting, making and spending.

From a user perspective, this is desirable. Maybe less so from LL's perspective, because it results in lower concurrency figures. Damn bots.

hey!

30.000 sims / 67.000 people lets say 60.000
every sim 15 k prims - maxplayers 40
maxusers on grid = 30.000 x 40 = 1.200.000 people = grid(all sims) full

60k people/30k sims = with fair usage every sim can have 2 players on max.
in this case 10 bots on sim uses resources for 5 sims and 5 simowners will pay the fee for the bots.
1 hundred_campers_sims causes 50 deserted sims

just my 2 cents

Any NPIOF can become Premium for a nett cost of US$12 per annum.
They can become non-NPIOF simply buy buying a minimal amount of L$ on LindEx.

IF LL were to do the sensible thing and nuke NPIOFs as peak load approached, the NPIOF who actually care can easily change their status for little cost.
The NPIOFs who are genuine freeloaders can go whistle Dixie.

Right!

The *second last* thing would be for the IPs of the bots to be logged, so that when the *last* thing happens (the bots get booted), then the DDOS of the bots on the login servers can be blocked.

I'll explain it then, although people keep posting the same old thing. If bots are booted at times when logins are being affected by load, as in this case, then they will add enormously to the load as they try to log in again. For that reason, the very last thing that is wanted at times like this was (yesterday) is for bots to booted out.