If so, what would be reasonable for an admission fee? If not, why do you think paying isn't right?
Keep in mind that the current rate of pay for live performers is typically 2,500-5,000L, and up. This fee is paid by the venue owner.
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06-11-2008 06:21
If so, what would be reasonable for an admission fee? If not, why do you think paying isn't right?
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06-11-2008 06:25
I have been to a number of live performaces....mostly in club, not in any larger venues.
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06-11-2008 06:34
Personally, no, but I also wouldn't attend most "live performances" even if they were free and being held in my own sim. For numerous reasons, I usually use SL with the sound turned off, so I never hear such things anyway. If I want to hear music, I'll pop a CD in my stereo, and get better quality. I don't bother with music via the Internet.
This is not to say that others would not or should not pay for live performances, or other entertainment venues in SL. I'm just pointing out that a certain segment of the SL community is essentially "deaf" either by RL disability or by personal choice. _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:34
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06-11-2008 06:35
While in theory the answer is "yes," I see a couple of problems.
First, it would have to be a live performance that I knew in advance would be one I wanted to attend. That is, I'd want to have heard the performer before, and know that s/he didn't come with an entourage prone to especially inane spam, and (incidentally) actually sounded pretty good. (I suppose also, if the same performer played elsewhere without a cover-charge, that would kind of enter into how much I'd pay for any schedule convenience of the for-pay performance.) And second, if one pays to attend the venue, the musician may as well not even rez their tip case because it won't get much use. And personally, if I paid to attend, I'd find the sight of a venue-support tipjar downright offensive. So, if I were a musician, I'd be less interested in playing at a venue that charged a cover (since I'd get less in tips), and if I were a venue owner, it would be a really complicated trade-off. _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:37
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06-11-2008 06:37
Yes I would pay a token entry fee and if they were good I would tip too, I respect other people work and efforts and want them to keep performing, anyone who doesn't pay or tip attending performances and then complains when the venues close and live acts stop performing are just hypocrits.
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06-11-2008 06:40
Amy Whitehouse is performing in Russia tomorrow night, the Russians paid her £1 million to appear, just some useless trivia to keep you pondering.
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06-11-2008 06:44
I'd pay to see Elvis!!!
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06-11-2008 06:46
Personally, no, but I also wouldn't attend most "live performances" even if they were free and being held in my own sim. For numerous reasons, I usually use SL with the sound turned off, so I never hear such things anyway. If I want to hear music, I'll pop a CD in my stereo, and get better quality. I don't bother with music via the Internet. I'm finding I'm doing that a lot more often, either turning the sound off totally or at least the media streams, unless I am at one of the few clubs I go to to specifically hear their music. Sometimes I'll have the baseball game on the TV in the other room and listen to that while I'm on, or litening to cd's on the stereo. I don't like hering different styles of music as I go from sim to sim, I'd rather hear what I want. I do use a couple of Internet radio sites...mainly beatles.com, martini in the morning, or WQXR classical. There is also a great jazz station from Canada, JazzFM 91 that I found from hanging out at the Savoy Jazz Club. Would I pay a fee for live music? No. SL isn't stable enough to guarantee I'd get my money's worth. I do tip if I go to place that has some sort of "live" performance. I do understand the venue owners needing to recoup the performers fees, that's why I tip both the club and the performer, and the host if there is one. In fact if I am between Linden purchases and my balance is low, I don't go to live events if I can't give a decent tip. _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:48
Who is Amy Whitehouse?
I wouldn't pay. It's supply and demand. With so many artists playing for free just because they want to be out there doing it (for better or, sigh, for worse) or for tips, why would I pay to see someone who may not be any more talented than they are? Now, if you had U2 coming along for a gig, I might reconsider my views. But I wouldn't also tip Bono ![]() B. _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:53
Who is Amy Whitehouse? I wouldn't pay. It's supply and demand. With so many artists playing for free just because they want to be out there doing it (for better or, sigh, for worse) or for tips, why would I pay to see someone who may not be any more talented than they are? Now, if you had U2 coming along for a gig, I might reconsider my views. But I wouldn't also tip Bono ![]() B. She did that "Rehab" song. She's in the middle of her 15 minutes. I've heard a couple of her songs that I like but all in all her voice annoys me. But what do I know. I thought Def Leppard was a Rap Band. _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:54
I think Dekka meant Amy Winehouse lol but she will probably be too smashed to appear.
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06-11-2008 06:55
I think Dekka meant Amy Winehouse lol but she will probably be too smashed to appear. errr opps! _____________________
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I think Dekka meant Amy Winehouse lol but she will probably be too smashed to appear. lol I just caught the apparant typo _____________________
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06-11-2008 06:57
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06-11-2008 06:58
i wouldn't pay unless i was supporting my friends.
i have some friends who play live, and they don't charge a cover charge. they have a tip jar, and even after just 2 hours they've already made a pretty good income off tips. they are good, and funny. and i highly recommend them, if they are still playing. been awhile since i've contacted them. _____________________
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06-11-2008 07:02
I really don't think live performances will ever take off that well anyways (as far as being a popular SL event)
The reasons being: 1. A Sim can only hold so many people so the cost per person to afford to pay a performer is going to be higher then a normal venue. 2. performance issues will hinder the quality of the performance so who would really wnat to pay to only hear a garbled, concert? Ways to get around some of these may be : 1. Have a notice in advance and allow people to get on a list. The list is then used to set the land to only allow those avatars. And maybe have a waiting list in case one of the approved avatars has to leave or is gone for a certain amount of time. 2. Have people strip down to keep their ARC numbers in the green. I know that its not the most reliable means of controlling resource hogging avatars, but it helps. 3. Have the performer on a stage in the corner of 4 sims or on the edge of a sim and pipe the music stream to both/all of the sims. |
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06-11-2008 07:02
i wouldn't pay unless i was supporting my friends. i have some friends who play live, and they don't charge a cover charge. they have a tip jar, and even after just 2 hours they've already made a pretty good income off tips. they are good, and funny. and i highly recommend them, if they are still playing. been awhile since i've contacted them. I remember when I threw the first formal event at the Hangout, the 12 hour Halloween nightmare. Besides several members who voulunteered to DJ, I hired 2 "Ringers" at a decent fee, which I was paying myself. They both had such a good time working the party and did so well in tips, they waived the fees. _____________________
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06-11-2008 07:03
She did that "Rehab" song. She's in the middle of her 15 minutes. I've heard a couple of her songs that I like but all in all her voice annoys me. But what do I know. I thought Def Leppard was a Rap Band. She's very talented, if you like that sort of thing. However, she is the consummate example of someone who will ultimately and catastrophically piss that talent up a wall. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. Def Leppard ARE a Rap Band. The "C" in Rap is silent. _____________________
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06-11-2008 07:06
She's very talented, if you like that sort of thing. However, she is the consummate example of someone who will ultimately and catastrophically piss that talent up a wall. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. Def Leppard ARE a Rap Band. The "C" in Rap is silent. ![]() _____________________
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06-11-2008 07:08
As an ex amateur performer, no I wouldn't pay. because I think the majority of performances are not to a sufficient quality, mainly technical reasons (not a reflection on the performers themselves). Also I think there is a shift in perception once someone has paid for entry, they expect to get their money's worth.
Example - I have been to two Tribute Band performances in my time in SL. Both performances were from albums, the bands providing the stage presence etc. One performance was brilliant (Nightwish) because the atmosphere was wild, just like an RL gig. The other was disappointing and I left, because there was no atmosphere, nor stage presence. In both cases I could have got the same audio, at better quality by playing the CD's. I enjoy SL for the chill-out nature provided by the musical venues, and tip when possible, but camping does not yield much income ! I try and support venues in my own way, essentially by just being there and joining in. I hope you dont think this a rambling post, the OP asked for reasons, I have tried to put mine rationally. This is an interesting thread btw, as a relative newcomer to SL, I am still finding my way round. |
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As an ex amateur performer, no I wouldn't pay. because I think the majority of performances are not to a sufficient quality, mainly technical reasons (not a reflection on the performers themselves). Also I think there is a shift in perception once someone has paid for entry, they expect to get their money's worth. Example - I have been to two Tribute Band performances in my time in SL. Both performances were from albums, the bands providing the stage presence etc. One performance was brilliant (Nightwish) because the atmosphere was wild, just like an RL gig. The other was disappointing and I left, because there was no atmosphere, nor stage presence. In both cases I could have got the same audio, at better quality by playing the CD's. I enjoy SL for the chill-out nature provided by the musical venues, and tip when possible, but camping does not yield much income ! I try and support venues in my own way, essentially by just being there and joining in. I hope you dont think this a rambling post, the OP asked for reasons, I have tried to put mine rationally. This is an interesting thread btw, as a relative newcomer to SL, I am still finding my way round. I suggest a trail of breadcrumbs.....just in case. _____________________
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06-11-2008 07:31
Personally, no, but I also wouldn't attend most "live performances" even if they were free and being held in my own sim. For numerous reasons, I usually use SL with the sound turned off, so I never hear such things anyway. If I want to hear music, I'll pop a CD in my stereo, and get better quality. I don't bother with music via the Internet. This is not to say that others would not or should not pay for live performances, or other entertainment venues in SL. I'm just pointing out that a certain segment of the SL community is essentially "deaf" either by RL disability or by personal choice. Ceera, I don't mean to sound snitty, I'm really not, but I have to say this: Then why did you respond? It obviously wasn't a question about "do you listen to music in SL?" ALL: I'm trying to find out specific information from a specific segment of the population. If it doesn't pertain to you, then perhaps you could go on to the next post ![]() _____________________
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