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Aeryn Lovenkraft
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02-25-2009 10:21
From: Qie Niangao
Wait: what? So all the poor sap newbies who are getting bitten... their souls don't even *count* unless they buy a HUD for L$599? If that's the case, how did it work in Dakota's example above, where the victim's soul immediately scored for the biter? Or is "collecting" a soul some different operation from... whatever they call the "bite-for-score" process?

Again: What? Vampires can themselves receive bite requests? *Why*?


Here's the deal....lol. When a fresh victim is bit by a vampire, no soul is taken. The only thing the vampire gets is some blood. 0.25L to be exact. At the point, in the game, the person bit shows as being in limbo and also that their soul will go to whomever bit them IF they register with BL. Registering with BL means buying the HUD and wearing it. If the victim then buys the HUD and wears it, then the vampire who bit the victim collects the person's soul. The victim at that point is still human though. In order to become a vampire fully, the human must be drained of all his "humanity" (all blood drained) then he would in turn need to be fill up with blood again. At this point, the human is turned to a vampire.

Vampires can bite each other. Some consider it erotic and even sexual. There is a reason behind the lure and mysteriousness around vampires and why some people are fascinated by them. To be sure, it's not for everyone. ;-) The less "exciting" reason a vampire can bite another is simply survival. I may help a minion of mine out who is low on blood by allowing them to bite me to feed.

Again, most of us do not condone biting without asking permission first. I will say this. I said earlier that BL has helped my social network. Before BL, I would occasionally help a new person here and there. Since I do not hang out in newbie places, this was very rarely. Since being in BL, I have been exposed to an incredible number of newbs. Most get bit and take the landmark given and end up in Bloodlines wondering what the fuck happened to them. I seek them out, and counsel them. Most do not want to be vampires, and if that is the case, I direct them to Sarah Nerd's freebies or some other place suitable. I have even taken them shopping and never push them to join BL. I urge them to learn SL and have fun. I also let them know that they do not need a potion, that their soul, in our game, is merely part of the game in BL. In other words, I tell them this has no effect on SL.

If they want to be a vampire, I still urge them to learn SL first, then deal with BL. If they still want to join, I turn them and leave them human. The reason for this is that I care about SL more than BL. If they turn vampire immediately, you have a newbie learning SL with the pressure to feed as well. Surely a recipe for frustration and failure. By staying human, they do not lose blood due to the curse and can learn SL and BL at their own pace. Many of them go on to other things and I never see them again, and that is fine with me. My main concern is for them to find the joy in SL that I have found. I love SL. I like BL.
Argent Stonecutter
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02-25-2009 10:33
If they were being responsible, given that there's a whole game and scoring system (one that even involves money) behind it, they would require that you wear at least a "victim" HUD and agree to some kind of EULA before you could be "bitten".
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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How to become a Vampire in one easy lesson
02-25-2009 13:46
Go to a free area if you have no L$ or if you want something a little more try xcite and get yourself a set of teeth. Then get yourself a cape or some dark coloured clothing then either lighten your skin, if you can , or pick up a free white one.
Wear the teeth, clothing and skin and wow you are now a vampire

Total cost under 500L if you look around
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02-25-2009 14:07
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Alix Rudolf
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02-27-2009 03:14
I am an avid player of Bloodlines and I am a vampire. The issue of being spammed is the only valid argument I have ever seen. Everything else you people have said is crap.

Example: "I don't want my name in a database." The only thing in the database that ties to you is the name of your avi. as well as game assigned stats. LLabs has more info on you when you signed up for SL in the first place, let alone your payment info if you have ever purchased $L.

Example: "...RP in RP areas..." Come one people, this is Second Life. It is a virtual world of which you are emmersed in. Vampirism is no different then the guy buying new pants or the avi trying on a piece of demo hair. Nothing is more real than the other. The entire grid in my mind is a giant RP area as no section is any more real than the next.

Example: "...its all a giant Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme..." Seriously people, you pay more for your VIRTUAL LAND on a monthly basis, yet someone thinks that gives people the ability to act as a vampire is the crook. I've seen individual people pay far more for "better" DCS weapons than I have seen my entire clan of 900+ spend on BL.

Example: "...i want my soul back...i don't want to be part of the game..." #1 its a game that you don't want to be a part of so why all the posessiveness of a VIRTUAL thing that you aren't using and were never going to use. Heck, the thing doesn't even "exsist" in the game until you are either bitten or purchase the HUD.



I could go on and on but I just want to end this. I wear my tag when I hunt and it says VAMPIRE quite large above my head. I do not go around and spam the crap outta people like most do because I got treated much worse when I started in SL. Seriously, how many times did you get deformed, orbited, or caged when you were learning how to play???

I was shopping the other day and was asked about my vampire tag. She was a newer player in SL and was interested in learning more. I took about 2 hours talking to her and explaining the entire game. In the mean time I helped the girl find some decent places to shop. Heck, I even bought her some things as it was her first day and looked super-noob. Yet not once did I ever send a bite request to her. About three days later she sent me a TP. When I arrived she explained to me that she wanted to be bitten to give me blood in order for me to survive in the BL game. She then explained to me how all of YOU people out there,when explaining SL to a beginner, tought her more about snapping off on vampires then how to even change her hair.

I was the one that actually took the time to teach a new player how to enjoy SL. I was also the one approached(remember that those who have already formulated a snippy response). Why is that you ask??? Because we are all not the same. We all do not sit there and PREY on the innocent noob. I wear my vampire tag loud and proud for all to see. Heck, the tag adds more to the vampire intrigue than anything I have seen.
Qie Niangao
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02-27-2009 04:41
From: Aeryn Lovenkraft
Here's the deal....lol. [... much useful information...] Most do not want to be vampires, and if that is the case, I direct them to Sarah Nerd's freebies or some other place suitable.
Thanks for that info; sorry it took me a while to respond: I somehow just lost track of this thread completely until now.

The Sarah Nerd freebie paradise is just a funny coincidence, being one of the few places I've ever gotten a bite request on this avatar. (But man, whenever I set up a fresh newbie alt to sample the "New User Experience," it's like a feeding frenzy.)
Neptune Shelman
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02-27-2009 05:26
From: Alix Rudolf
I am an avid player of Bloodlines and I am a vampire. The issue of being spammed is the only valid argument I have ever seen. Everything else you people have said is crap.

Example: "I don't want my name in a database." The only thing in the database that ties to you is the name of your avi. as well as game assigned stats. LLabs has more info on you when you signed up for SL in the first place, let alone your payment info if you have ever purchased $L.


Yes I agree bloodlines itself poses no problem and also couldn't care less if the virtual character Neptune Shelman is in a bloodlines database.


From: Alix Rudolf

Example: "...RP in RP areas..." Come one people, this is Second Life. It is a virtual world of which you are emmersed in. Vampirism is no different then the guy buying new pants or the avi trying on a piece of demo hair. Nothing is more real than the other. The entire grid in my mind is a giant RP area as no section is any more real than the next.


Some people use Second Life as a platform in which to create, sometimes this is for just their own enjoyment and that of others or to make money, not everyone in SecondLife RP's.

From: Alix Rudolf

Example: "...its all a giant Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme..." Seriously people, you pay more for your VIRTUAL LAND on a monthly basis, yet someone thinks that gives people the ability to act as a vampire is the crook. I've seen individual people pay far more for "better" DCS weapons than I have seen my entire clan of 900+ spend on BL.


As stated earlier I believe, after the time involved in development of such systems, it is only fair and right the creator can make money from their investment of time and effort.
Some choose to not charge for their products and gift them to the entire second life community, this when it happens is great and I hold such developers in very high regard, but it should not be expected of any developer.
When it comes to a vampire in bloodlines selling souls they have obtained through any method, where is the work, the time and effort they put in to warrant payment?
I really don't care people sell these virtual souls, I am more amazed people pay for them.

From: Alix Rudolf

Example: "...i want my soul back...i don't want to be part of the game..." #1 its a game that you don't want to be a part of so why all the posessiveness of a VIRTUAL thing that you aren't using and were never going to use. Heck, the thing doesn't even "exsist" in the game until you are either bitten or purchase the HUD.


Yes LOL I never understood the attachment some have to their virtual souls.


From: Alix Rudolf

I could go on and on but I just want to end this. I wear my tag when I hunt and it says VAMPIRE quite large above my head. I do not go around and spam the crap outta people like most do because I got treated much worse when I started in SL. Seriously, how many times did you get deformed, orbited, or caged when you were learning how to play???


LOL lot's and there were no polite requests before they did it as I recall.
However many bloodlines users do SPAM other users on a regular basis.
It matters not whether some users choose to be antisocial orbiting others caging them etc. the fact is these users are few and far between and are also accountable to Linden Labs for their actions.
It is the shear number of bloodlines vampires who do go around asking to bite that singles them out from the rest and demands some sort of control.

From: Alix Rudolf

I was shopping the other day and was asked about my vampire tag. She was a newer player in SL and was interested in learning more. I took about 2 hours talking to her and explaining the entire game. In the mean time I helped the girl find some decent places to shop. Heck, I even bought her some things as it was her first day and looked super-noob. Yet not once did I ever send a bite request to her. About three days later she sent me a TP. When I arrived she explained to me that she wanted to be bitten to give me blood in order for me to survive in the BL game. She then explained to me how all of YOU people out there,when explaining SL to a beginner, tought her more about snapping off on vampires then how to even change her hair.

I was the one that actually took the time to teach a new player how to enjoy SL. I was also the one approached(remember that those who have already formulated a snippy response). Why is that you ask??? Because we are all not the same. We all do not sit there and PREY on the innocent noob. I wear my vampire tag loud and proud for all to see. Heck, the tag adds more to the vampire intrigue than anything I have seen.


You are using the bloodlines system responsibly, in addition to obviously helping out newer users when you find them, but you are not the only user that does this in Secondlife.
I have a sandbox for all users whether they are vampires, furries, fresh new users to visit and learn how they can create in Second Life they can build using the sandbox prims, pick up free textures and other usefull building tools.
Many others run public parks for the benifit of all or dedicate their time freely as mentors etc.
Neptune Shelman
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02-27-2009 05:53
From: Aeryn Lovenkraft
Here's the deal....lol. When a fresh victim is bit by a vampire, no soul is taken. The only thing the vampire gets is some blood. 0.25L to be exact. At the point, in the game, the person bit shows as being in limbo and also that their soul will go to whomever bit them IF they register with BL. Registering with BL means buying the HUD and wearing it. If the victim then buys the HUD and wears it, then the vampire who bit the victim collects the person's soul. The victim at that point is still human though. In order to become a vampire fully, the human must be drained of all his "humanity" (all blood drained) then he would in turn need to be fill up with blood again. At this point, the human is turned to a vampire.

Vampires can bite each other. Some consider it erotic and even sexual. There is a reason behind the lure and mysteriousness around vampires and why some people are fascinated by them. To be sure, it's not for everyone. ;-) The less "exciting" reason a vampire can bite another is simply survival. I may help a minion of mine out who is low on blood by allowing them to bite me to feed.


WOW I didn't appreciate the complexity of becoming and being a vampire.

From: Aeryn Lovenkraft

Again, most of us do not condone biting without asking permission first. I will say this. I said earlier that BL has helped my social network. Before BL, I would occasionally help a new person here and there. Since I do not hang out in newbie places, this was very rarely. Since being in BL, I have been exposed to an incredible number of newbs. Most get bit and take the landmark given and end up in Bloodlines wondering what the fuck happened to them. I seek them out, and counsel them. Most do not want to be vampires, and if that is the case, I direct them to Sarah Nerd's freebies or some other place suitable. I have even taken them shopping and never push them to join BL. I urge them to learn SL and have fun. I also let them know that they do not need a potion, that their soul, in our game, is merely part of the game in BL. In other words, I tell them this has no effect on SL.


This highlights the problem though of new users being preyed on or rather spammed by some of the less resonsible bloodlines vamps.
As you mention most do not want to become vampires and just end up being confused and potentially being turned off the experience of SecondLife which is a major problem.

This is why some sort of forced control needs to be added such as the suggestion earlier were bloodlines becomes an opt in system, so that only users who choose to play can be approached.

I don't believe it is to hard to make the bloodlines system operate only with people who wear a bloodlines attachment.
Treasure Ballinger
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02-27-2009 07:45
From: Alix Rudolf

Example: "...RP in RP areas..." Come one people, this is Second Life. It is a virtual world of which you are emmersed in. Vampirism is no different then the guy buying new pants or the avi trying on a piece of demo hair. Nothing is more real than the other. The entire grid in my mind is a giant RP area as no section is any more real than the next.



Hi Alix, this was an interesting post, as all are who can expound in terms that make some sense, the particulars of the Bloodlines RP. My issue is with just this one comment that I quoted. Your choice of being a Bloodlines vampire is YOUR roleplay. You should not intrude on 'my' SL. I promise not to intrude on your being a vampire. Your rights end where my nose begins. That's my only problem with mostly, everything you said in your interesting post.
Argent Stonecutter
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02-27-2009 08:03
Maybe bloodlines needs to add "holy objects" that accelerate blood loss just by being in their vicinity, and make them free to landowners.

(I'll turn mine up to 11)
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Ferd Frederix
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02-27-2009 10:36
Bloodlines would get off my list of annoyances if they had an open in-world protocol so you can detect them and issue warns or bans.

Opening up the protocol so you could detect if they are a member would make a lot of people happy because they too could make money off spampires.
Sarah Nerd
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02-27-2009 11:01
Bloodlines is a regular problem in my Freebie Paradise area. They tend to hang out there to poach unsuspecting new players who don't know better. I have to turn scripts off in my area on a regular basis to cut down on the problem. The big issue with that is a lot of people use translators in my establishment. When I turn off scripts they lose the ability to communicate. It really bothers me that I have to choose between taking away peoples ability to communicate, or having the newbies harassed by bite requests. And this is not something that happens now and then. It's something that happens pretty much nonstop.

I use the buffy bot system once and awhile. It auto bans anyone that sends a bite request. If anything, it makes me feel better.

http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/1331
Danito Dagostino
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03-01-2009 12:31
From: Sarah Nerd
Bloodlines is a regular problem in my Freebie Paradise area. They tend to hang out there to poach unsuspecting new players who don't know better. I have to turn scripts off in my area on a regular basis to cut down on the problem. The big issue with that is a lot of people use translators in my establishment. When I turn off scripts they lose the ability to communicate. It really bothers me that I have to choose between taking away peoples ability to communicate, or having the newbies harassed by bite requests. And this is not something that happens now and then. It's something that happens pretty much nonstop.

I use the buffy bot system once and awhile. It auto bans anyone that sends a bite request. If anything, it makes me feel better.

http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/1331


The same goes for the Freebie Re public.
steph Werefox
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12-02-2009 14:49
From: Faithless Babii
ermm...I dont know about much of this..but really...cant you just NOT be a part of it? Surely its that simple...



yes it is that simple and uhhhhhhhhh this what they call RULES you shouldve seen a alittle box where you rez to and you READ THE RULES and theyll say so or if they say fresh meat then uh do what i do? which is LEAVE them alone its sooooooooo simple like faithless said and this is what we call noob.........im a bloodlines human i just have a hud and i just walk around and once in a while ill scan and see whos a vamp and its soooooooo easy to be a wiser person and not be part of it OR dont offer to bite them if it says fresh meat.....you either bite your friends or go to a place that has a thing called turning room some clubs got em....so yea be smart and be a pro in bloodlines you noob


From: Danito Dagostino
The same goes for the Freebie Re public.


couldnt you like have the hud and scan people who just hang out there and if it says vamp you give them a warning and if someone comes to you or you see a bite going on you ban em? it should help and just put a warning out or do a no bite zone






fyi people im just trying to defend bloodlines because if bloodlines the thrist is gone then pretty much ill just be a avatar walking around with everything blanked because bloodlines is the only vampire hud i know of and the only one i like so yea i dont want it to be baned
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Pete Olihenge
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12-02-2009 14:55
From: someone
I was told that this is the reason the potions were made, especially the Wormwood potion, to give people the opportunity to regain their human souls when tricked into being bit.
The reason these potions are made is to scam money out of the people who buy them, who apparently believe that a computer game is capable of stealing their mortal/immortal/virtual soul.

EDIT: DOH! Caught out by a necropost raising itself from the dead and having a quick flash before the dawn brings the sunlight that'll put it back in the coffin it belongs in :(
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12-02-2009 14:57
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12-02-2009 15:09
It's kinda sad that peoples would recognise "bloodline" as being a whitewolf endorsed vampire game when it only was the suffix to the video games they made, wich isn't bad but is only loosely related to the actual games:

Vampire the masquerade
Vampire the requiem

And all the other games in the world of darkness universe.
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12-02-2009 16:46
From: Alix Rudolf
I am an avid player of Bloodlines and I am a vampire. The issue of being spammed is the only valid argument I have ever seen. Everything else you people have said is crap.

Example: "I don't want my name in a database." The only thing in the database that ties to you is the name of your avi. as well as game assigned stats. LLabs has more info on you when you signed up for SL in the first place, let alone your payment info if you have ever purchased $L.

Example: "...RP in RP areas..." Come one people, this is Second Life. It is a virtual world of which you are emmersed in. Vampirism is no different then the guy buying new pants or the avi trying on a piece of demo hair. Nothing is more real than the other. The entire grid in my mind is a giant RP area as no section is any more real than the next.

Example: "...its all a giant Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme..." Seriously people, you pay more for your VIRTUAL LAND on a monthly basis, yet someone thinks that gives people the ability to act as a vampire is the crook. I've seen individual people pay far more for "better" DCS weapons than I have seen my entire clan of 900+ spend on BL.

Example: "...i want my soul back...i don't want to be part of the game..." #1 its a game that you don't want to be a part of so why all the posessiveness of a VIRTUAL thing that you aren't using and were never going to use. Heck, the thing doesn't even "exsist" in the game until you are either bitten or purchase the HUD.



I could go on and on but I just want to end this. I wear my tag when I hunt and it says VAMPIRE quite large above my head. I do not go around and spam the crap outta people like most do because I got treated much worse when I started in SL. Seriously, how many times did you get deformed, orbited, or caged when you were learning how to play???

I was shopping the other day and was asked about my vampire tag. She was a newer player in SL and was interested in learning more. I took about 2 hours talking to her and explaining the entire game. In the mean time I helped the girl find some decent places to shop. Heck, I even bought her some things as it was her first day and looked super-noob. Yet not once did I ever send a bite request to her. About three days later she sent me a TP. When I arrived she explained to me that she wanted to be bitten to give me blood in order for me to survive in the BL game. She then explained to me how all of YOU people out there,when explaining SL to a beginner, tought her more about snapping off on vampires then how to even change her hair.

I was the one that actually took the time to teach a new player how to enjoy SL. I was also the one approached(remember that those who have already formulated a snippy response). Why is that you ask??? Because we are all not the same. We all do not sit there and PREY on the innocent noob. I wear my vampire tag loud and proud for all to see. Heck, the tag adds more to the vampire intrigue than anything I have seen.


This sums it up very well, I myself play Bloodlines as a Lycan, heck I'm way to shy to roleplay and request a bite. I instead wait for people to come to me showing intrest in the game.

Its more of a game for people then serious rp(However serious rp can be present depending on the clan/person), but for most its a part of their second life identity and species. Do you people consider nekos, furries, tinies and all that people just rping? Do you tell them to get lost and go to a neko/furry/tiny sim and rp there? No.

It's true, the problem is the game itself being used to irritate and annoy by those who don't pay attention to rules put in place by LL and Mars Bracken.

I'm glad tools like buffybot have been made, if anything every single buisness, club, hangout and store needs one. Its perfect. I'm also glad the garlic necklace exists for those who don't wish to be involved.

One improvement that should be made is on the price of potions such as wormwood for those who wish to play yet would rather the soul go to someone they want it to before hand. 50L for a wormwood would be better then 250L or whatever. Punishments such as a ban from the game should be enforced better on spampires.
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12-02-2009 16:50
wormwood is good for deworming dogs in rl ;)
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12-02-2009 17:14
From: Ceka Cianci
wormwood is good for deworming dogs in rl ;)

:> Dawww I like you, you seem adorible. Thank you for that lovely fact.
Jig Chippewa
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12-02-2009 17:46
Boy you guys are frigid! For a bunch of crazy bloodsucking high-lickers you have an awful lot of walls of rules and bells and books and candles.
Chill out, home boy and relax. Dont worry so much about where the next bite is gonna come from.
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12-02-2009 17:54
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:> Dawww I like you, you seem adorible. Thank you for that lovely fact.

i have lots of home remedy's for every occasion hehehehe :D
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12-02-2009 17:55
To my comrades whose souls languish in Limbo, cast there by the bourgeois running-dog fascist capitalist vampires, I can only say . . .

YOUR DAY OF LIBERATION WILL SOON BE AT HAND!!!

Just so soon as the Central Committee can scrape together enough money to cover garlic necklaces for all our freedom fighters . . .

Yours sincerely,



Comandante 8 1/2
F.L.O.S.K.

FREEDOM TO SLAVES!!!! NO KAJIRA LEFT BEHIND!!
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12-02-2009 19:00
isn't this current spree a little late.... i though it was traditional to raise the dead on halloween
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