BAN .:BLOODLINES: The Thirst:.

One thing I will say Argent is that Role Playing does not truly have set roles and race rules: Only guidelines.

The Vampires I used to play for example were fairly normal people - with the exception of the enhanced strength etc. - who were afflicted by a mutagenic virus. They could be killed the same ways as normal humans and had the same issues with sunlight (some of them) that an Albino had.

That said .... on to another poster ....

Kilo: With your logic, no one should be 'forced' to hit yes or no to ANY request for ANY action at all: Hugs, kisses, pounces, being petted, getting a belly rub .....

Unfortunately, using the logic of some ... you and I ARE a part of their game - all of Second Life is their playing field.

You may not like it, but that is the way it is, just as I have used most of the grid for my own RP at times.

The only difference is that almost no one knows when I am role playing or not. -grins-

During the first role out of server 1.25.5 (If I am correct) there was a period where the dialog did not pop up. When my gf sended me a hug request, I automaticly accepted, never saw the usual dialog come up.

Since those things can happen again, it is to me unacceptable for any vampire to send out bite requests in any place not connected to the bloodlines game.

Keep the game in designated area's and I have no problem with it, but I do agree that it became more a pest than a game lately. Go to any noob area (Luna Oaks is a great example) and you are most likely to see vampires hunting noobs.

Change the game, the "I am willing to be a victim" hud sounds like a great idea, or ban it, either one.

And another zombie thread revived . Everything was said before. It's a pyramid scheme and as such fraud and violating LL's ToS. File AR's and hope one day it will stop.

http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/bloodlines-a-pest-and-rip-off-ponzi-scheme

Huh?

Which part of the logic entails that conclusion? Obtaining and wearing the odious "garlic necklace" is very much different from responding to a permissions dialog. And the permissions dialog most certainly is recognized as spam when used excessively--except in this case the responsibility for that spam is disguised as being spread across multiple agents.

That's where the breakdown really occurs. Governance has fallen victim to this very fiction: that people sending bite requests are acting as individuals. Indeed, the people sending the bite requests are under the same delusion, when in fact they are unwitting vectors of virulent spam.

If I gave out a free one-time-use object to newbies that paid them L$10 for sending an IM to the Bloodlines creator graphically role-playing swift kick in the ass, I daresay I'd have some explaining to do to get out of AR jail.

Yippie, an action request can go through without permission if a glitch occurs .... And?

Before you decide to tell anyone to 'stay to designated areas' ... How about doing something about people setting up shops and the like in sandboxes and peddling their wares on HIP and HIP2?

Ahem: The logic being used is thus - Bite requests are unsolicited, they pop up a confirmation dialog box. Unsolicited animation dialog = spam. How many people do YOU know of that will directly ask for a hug, kiss or any other common greeting/affectionate show BEFORE sending the animation request?

If the answer is anything LESS than "Everyone, 100% of the time" .... then some of the requests are unsolicited and by the logic Kilo has used: Spam.

Indeed, by Kilo's logic, people are being 'forced' to hit yes or no on these boxes: With what has been outlined above, any unsolicited hug/etc. request ALSO 'forces' people to hit yes or no.

Now ... The last time IO checked, no one is standing behind anyone and threatening them with harm when these dialogs come up. You are NOT required to hit yes or no, nor even mute: The only thing required for ALL dialogs is a response of some sort .... which includes the Ignore button.

Get an unsolicited request of ANY type? Hit ignore! If the same avatar sends the same request over and over again? Hit mute! There, done, over with.

Welcome to the Information Age: Adapt or unplug your computer. Spam is a fact of life these days.

According to the fellow behind the game, it's earned him a very nice fat $US figure so far. There was a piece the other day on NWN:

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/02/has-bloodlines-become-second-lifes-next-tringo.html#more

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Aes

#1, use common sense.
#2, stay in character.

Bloodlines requires neither. It's just a game.

The game is doing it in bulk, which is where the difference comes in. If there were just a couple of people playing vampire and actually staying in character... but there aren't.
Then he can afford to do it right.

Hey don't bite -me-. I think it's a ridiculous, annoying 'game'.

Just thought those reading the thread might like to see the article.
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Aes

Oil in the fire? Thanks for the link!

I don't bite! I'm well trained!

It's the second time I've posted a comment on NWN. And it's the second time it doesn't show up. Nice censoring of unwanted opinions that do not fit with the intention of the main topic it seems. Well done NWN.

If it weren't for the fact that Kilo only has one Forums post I'd swear we were talking about different posts: I just don't see where it's saying that it's solely the unsolicited nature of the animation requests that makes Bloodlines such a spam factory.

Anyway, I agree: it takes more than being unsolicited to qualify as spam. (Not everyone would agree with that, I suppose.) But as Argent points out, the large volume of Bloodlines bite requests certainly does qualify them as spam--on which we also apparently agree:
Maybe that response worked in the 20th century, but these days there is a substantial infrastructure invested in controlling spam, all the way from Bayesian filters throughout the email stream to criminal prosecution of botnet kingpins.

In fact, that history is instructive. Back in the earliest days of email spam, a recipient could manage the problem adequately by simple filtering on origin and/or message content--very similar to the viewer's Mute button. But spam is now much more insidious, requiring more sophisticated countermeasures. Similarly, Bloodlines has created a multi-level marketing scheme that spreads the surface origin of the spam across participants, rendering Mute and ARs totally ineffective. It's quite like a botnet, actually.

In email spam fighting we'd refer to this as "affiliate spam", which covers multi-level marketing, spam-for-prizes schemes, and so on...

Last i checked,
1) requests for hugs, pets etc. comes majorly from entities KNOWN TO YOU or at least within a common interest group.
2) Greeters are fine since you opt to teleport there in the first place

Now Bite requests comes with the sole purpose of trying to drag you into the game and trying to get you to buy the HUD. The response to my post is a bit short-sighted to this and tries to ignore this significant "subtlety".

3) if you wish to play a game, fine. But don't impose it on people who ARE NOT PLAYING!!

I mean, how difficult is this to understand??

No 'Pie' option so this can't be a real survey / poll. I mean seriously, who gives a fig about a bunch of losers playing vampire? If your beef is the guy making a fortune from selling his HUD, then it's up to you to run your 'Just say NO to t3h 3b1l k4p1t4l1st V4mp1r3 HUD' campaign. Or alternatively destroy his market by releasing a freebie vampire HUD that does everything his does as well as serving up nice hot pies.

I keep joking, we need WereLines for werewolves.
"So and so would like to maul and infect you, do you accept, Yes or No?"

Bonus would be, if a vamp accepts, they become depleted or die!

It's the second time I've posted a comment on NWN. And it's the second time it doesn't show up. Nice censoring of unwanted opinions that do not fit with the intention of the main topic it seems. Well done NWN.

On your number three: You signed up for Second Life and as of this moment you now know that there are people (usually with a group they are in) who have nor adhere to a specified Role Playing area.

This is not limited to just Bloodlines either (and yes, some of them actually DO Role Play): There are plenty of other groups that do the same thing.

As others have pointed out in far better wording than myself: You are using Second Life, therefore you ARE playing a Role Playing game ... even if you are just being yourself.

How hard is THAT to understand?

Solar: are you defending Bloodlines, or are you defending the concept of public role-playing?

I dont agree if i am being me how can i be RPing ?

ban them all!

The latter.

Sadly these threads are the only ones that pop up with such a topic.

Does your avatar look exactly like you, down to the most minute detail?

For that matter do you occasionally do things in SL that you wouldn't do in real life?

The list could go on ... but if you have answered yes or sometimes to that second question .... you're Role Playing as yourself.

No she has black hair but then i have worn a wig in RL so is that RPing in RL?
I gather then that ppl in RL who get their nose altered or some other form of change done are RPing also

no there is nothing i do in SL that i do not do or have done in RL so i guess i dont play with myself then