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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 08:47
true lol but i never gave any RL info unless absolutly needed and used fake names and adresses every where else so i`m no where on file  I envy your world view, truly. |
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Bee Mizser
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 329
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12-06-2007 08:48
They will be unable to compete because of the laws of the nation in which they live. It isn't LL's fault. Yes it is LL's fault. LL is actively encouraging people to break the laws of their land which are there to protect people. |
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Tiana Whitfield
Forever And A Day
Join date: 1 Apr 2007
Posts: 702
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12-06-2007 08:49
true lol but i never gave any RL info unless absolutly needed and used fake names and adresses every where else so i`m no where on file If you have given any real life info out only once, be it computerized or on a paper trail, believe me your out there on a database somewhere! |
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Hypatia Callisto
metadea
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 793
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12-06-2007 08:49
Yes, it is, you can have freedom or security, not both. I choose freedom. well, my main gripe is that a kid in Peoria can steal his mother's ID and plug in it, while LL is forcing us to give them everything short of the first born child and a blood sample to verify manually. I don't understand why I have to give a proof of address with a utility bill and where that has anything to do with my age. Unfortunately, I cannot provide this, as all my utilities are in the name of the person I rent from. So legit adults are kept from verifying while kids willing to break the rules will still get in. _____________________
... perhaps simplicity is complicated to grasp.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 08:50
THis is my experience of Aristotle; the first time they encounter a person, the verification simply fails until they update their database with newly verified info for that person. That is probably a big reason for this extended beta ... so that Aristotle can verify and add all the gathered info to their learning database. I failed an Aristotle check once because they'd never encountered me before (a check verification at a store). That was no big deal, but as it happened my credit card company was just beginning to do some sort of background Aristotle checks on accounts and the store failure messed up my credit card access for weeks. Aristotle showed no interest in helping to clear up the misunderstanding. So I am quite sure that Aristotle has at least some information on me in their databases. I certainly have no interest in adding to it, knowing how casually Aristotle uses and protects their information. But I am extremely leery of the link between my avatar and myself becoming publicly known. I have NO confidence that the combination of LL and Aristotle will find themselves able to preserve that anonymity. I honestly doubt that is likely, but I understand your point of view, it is held by some people who are very important to me and I respect their POV. I'm actually better behaved in SL than RL on some levels. I really am bisexual, I really am involved in the BDSM scene, there's no aspect of my SL which would cause crap for me RL. I guess this makes me blase ... what would annoy me is if I started getting lots of advertising spam. Hence the specific to SL email address I use for everything. |
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Bee Mizser
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 329
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12-06-2007 08:50
Yes, it is, you can have freedom or security, not both. I choose freedom. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Freedom. In the US. Since Bush came in. Oh my, that's a good one! |
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Tiana Whitfield
Forever And A Day
Join date: 1 Apr 2007
Posts: 702
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12-06-2007 08:51
well, my main gripe is that a kid in Peoria can steal his mother's ID and plug in it, while LL is forcing us to give them everything short of the first born child and a blood sample to verify manually. I don't understand why I have to give a proof of address with a utility bill and where that has anything to do with my age. Unfortunately, I cannot provide this, as all my utilities are in the name of the person I rent from. So legit adults are kept from verifying while kids willing to break the rules will still get in. That is my problem, which I see as a site issue as some dont have that problem yet some do.. but all of a sudden our respective governments are being blamed?! Though I should not be surprised... it usually is brought round to politics on here and whose government is better.. |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 08:52
well, my main gripe is that a kid in Peoria can steal his mother's ID and plug in it, while LL is forcing us to give them everything short of the first born child and a blood sample to verify manually. I don't understand why I have to give a proof of address with a utility bill and where that has anything to do with my age. Unfortunately, I cannot provide this, as all my utilities are in the name of the person I rent from. So legit adults are kept from verifying while kids willing to break the rules will still get in. Welcome to teh interwebs. |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 08:53
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Freedom. In the US. Since Bush came in. Oh my, that's a good one! Play nice Bee you'll just start another war of attrition in this post |
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Bee Mizser
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 329
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12-06-2007 08:53
Well, then maybe you can all visit an office and provide a thumbprint and retina scan to prove who you are. I have never had a problem with verification on any site I have wanted to join. But then I am not "protected" by all the laws the EU has. Thank God. Umm identity verification for me to visit the US is rediculous. I have to provide biometric information to visit on business? Land of the free? More like Nanny State. And before you ask, I'm middle aged, white and British. Not that that should have anything to do with it. |
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Bee Mizser
Registered User
Join date: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 329
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12-06-2007 08:55
Play nice Bee you'll just start another war of attrition in this post Yeah I suppose Blair and Brown have been just as bad *removes tongue from cheek* |
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Marcel Flatley
Sampireun Design
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 2,032
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12-06-2007 08:55
Hi Chris,
We should not make this another USA-EU thread, seen enough of that. Living in the EU has its benefits, living in the USA has others i am sure. We do not choose the country we get born in, and moving coutries for many people is a large step  Anyway, I am Dutch, and have a crap government. You are American, and I guess you have a crap government as well. At least a crap president *grin*.What this is about, is that LL has an age verification system that doesnt work in all countries they have paying members in. Simple as that. Hell, even not works for everyone in the USA if I read the thread If they want to do business in all countries, their system must be fit. I fully agree with you that my laws are my problem, but they should be LL problem as well. Heck, they accept my money, even my VAT when I still had a tier, so the least they can do is giving my a legal opportunity to verify.But do not forget we are still in beta. So much can happen before we go live. And I don't care wether my goverment has written somewhere that I cant give out my drivers license, so i will be verified _____________________
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Broccoli Curry
I am my alt's alt's alt.
Join date: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 1,660
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12-06-2007 08:56
Umm identity verification for me to visit the US is rediculous. I have to provide biometric information to visit on business I don't mind providing information to legitimate government departments for the benefits of my own security - such as when flying. However, we aren't talking about a legitimate government agency - we're talking about a known data mining company that will sell your information to the highest bidder. I wonder how much they paid Linden Lab for this? Broccoli _____________________
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Hypatia Callisto
metadea
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 793
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12-06-2007 08:58
Umm identity verification for me to visit the US is rediculous. I have to provide biometric information to visit on business? Land of the free? More like Nanny State. And before you ask, I'm middle aged, white and British. Not that that should have anything to do with it. yeah... I'm having to deal with finding a photographer to make a new US compliant photo for my passport, its been hell. I've been reading the stuff with that... I have put off applying for a renewal of my US pass till I actually need it - going back to the US. You would not BELIEVE what we have to go through to get in. I get searched every time I've gone through customs. Whereas I dont suffer those searches at all, the many times I have gone in and out of Germany. Chris isn't outside the borders much I think. _____________________
... perhaps simplicity is complicated to grasp.
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Kitty Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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12-06-2007 09:00
But do not forget we are still in beta. So much can happen before we go live. Things like "Payment Info Used, Not" will get fixed, LL can add more translations to clear up confusion about what the different ID type options mean, but if you can't verify now, you still won't be able to when it goes live. |
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Alicia Sautereau
if (!social) hide;
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,125
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12-06-2007 09:03
If you have given any real life info out only once, be it computerized or on a paper trail, believe me your out there on a database somewhere! some where but not public or else i would have found some sort of info about myself on the net after being on it for 14-15 years and Cherry, being paranoid about the entire internet being mined for data and try to keep any sort of personal info off it isn`t something to be envy of _____________________
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Hypatia Callisto
metadea
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 793
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12-06-2007 09:03
What this is about, is that LL has an age verification system that doesnt work in all countries they have paying members in. Simple as that. Hell, even not works for everyone in the USA if I read the thread If they want to do business in all countries, their system must be fit. I fully agree with you that my laws are my problem, but they should be LL problem as well. Heck, they accept my money, even my VAT when I still had a tier, so the least they can do is giving my a legal opportunity to verify.Bingo. The system as it stands, does not work well. Seriously though, age verification is a very difficult nut to crack, and it will never be foolproof. All you can verify is that the persons documents they provided are legit - but no way of really knowing who is driving the avatar at any one time. When it gets to the point when they do, we're going to have worse problems than age verification on our collective hands _____________________
... perhaps simplicity is complicated to grasp.
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 09:05
some where but not public or else i would have found some sort of info about myself on the net after being on it for 14-15 years and Cherry, being paranoid about the entire internet being mined for data and try to keep any sort of personal info off it isn`t something to be envy of Naw, just the bit about using false info being safe. Sorry Alicia ... but it's not in the long run! (And I never have had a mobile on contract!) |
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Tiana Whitfield
Forever And A Day
Join date: 1 Apr 2007
Posts: 702
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12-06-2007 09:05
some where but not public or else i would have found some sort of info about myself on the net after being on it for 14-15 years and Cherry, being paranoid about the entire internet being mined for data and try to keep any sort of personal info off it isn`t something to be envy of Believe me if someone wants to find you, they could.. whether or not you have managed to "find yourself on the net" |
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Alicia Sautereau
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Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,125
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12-06-2007 09:08
Naw, just the bit about using false info being safe. Sorry Alicia ... but it's not in the long run! (And I never have had a mobile on contract!) ah gotcha and agree with it, it`s all a matter of time no matter how hard you try as the "grid" keeps expanding untill some point where nothing is kept on paper and everything stored on disk, guess i`ll classify it then under "spam control" the inevitable(sp)  edit: Believe me if someone wants to find you, they could.. whether or not you have managed to "find yourself on the net" aslong i don`t show up under any "normal" search engines i won`t complain as people will have to know some info to start searching with wich is very hard to find _____________________
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Tiana Whitfield
Forever And A Day
Join date: 1 Apr 2007
Posts: 702
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12-06-2007 09:08
Bingo. The system as it stands, does not work well. Seriously though, age verification is a very difficult nut to crack, and it will never be foolproof. All you can verify is that the persons documents they provided are legit - but no way of really knowing who is driving the avatar at any one time. When it gets to the point when they do, we're going to have worse problems than age verification on our collective hands I have to agree. The system being used is not supporting the mass of "players" that SL accepts, when a lot of that mass WANTS to verify! But as always in this forum we are encouraged to burn our bras and bring down our government for not being SL compliant!! LMAO! |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 09:09
Yeah I suppose Blair and Brown have been just as bad *removes tongue from cheek* Tony Blair ... the cloth fool ... (etc) |
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Okiphia Rayna
DemonEye Benefactor
Join date: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 2,103
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12-06-2007 09:09
Believe me if someone wants to find you, they could.. whether or not you have managed to "find yourself on the net" Absolutely correct. Its not very hard either.. all you need is an email if you can't hack, and if you can, even less. I once got a call from a different state, had no idea who it was... never got a call back either. Did a reverse search for the number and got their name, address, home phone, and two emails in the end. I just wanted to know who they were. _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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12-06-2007 09:10
Believe me if someone wants to find you, they could.. whether or not you have managed to "find yourself on the net" Yep. I have various people I could extremely easily find ... and I am no hacker or anything else, I just have a curious mind. ***edit*** that looks bad. No intention of looking for them. Well, maybe YOU GC ... if you are still stalking me here that is, otherwise you won't see this xxx |
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Rigrunner Rang
...Newb
Join date: 23 May 2007
Posts: 162
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12-06-2007 09:10
So umm...What databases are they checking against for info of people in the UK?
Ooooh I can see a lot of data protection lawsuits coming up against LL and Aristotle in the near future ! Nice attempt to tackle the problem but seriously worrying knowing a third party is handling such confidential information for an online game... Considering all the offline IMs i recieved yesterday were telling me people's full names and email addresses (bug reported lol), I have to say I'm not too confident I could ever trust LL or their partners with any further personal information about myself. It'd be interesting to see what a subject access request on Aristotle would bring up.... _____________________
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