Age verification enters Grid-wide beta

as i posted in the blog and ofcourse waiting moderation...

Passport Number: No Go
Last 4 SSN : No Go
Driver's License: No Go.
Picture of me with today's newspaper : No go.


AGE VERIFICATION FAILED.

An address from 2003?- hell then I would have to put in a UK address and as well I had another identity card at that time. Will I have to put in the data like it was official recorded in England then?

Did my old identity card, I had at that time, have the same number like my current one then?- I am german living in germany now again - not to tell, that I cant use my real name as LL is not accepting german letters. And how to write the street names, there are lots of ways to write them?

Like always LL is providing crap work - like with the billing system as well, which is not able to use my paypal - and guess by what reason?- paypal tells me LL never asks for money, so paypal never can pay. Anyway, this is crap and i wonder if LL will give any hints how to verify in these cases before putting this shit live.

From the blog post:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/09/18/identity-verification-and-flagging-parcels-for-restricted-content/




but on the knowledge base today (info for parcel and estate owners):

Used last 4 on the SS and went through just fine. The idea is good and should have been done from the start. No sure their current way of going about it is good or not. Oh well.

as long as im verified as younger its ok

Gave them my current address and Driver's License number. Same info on every check I write, and probably on my credit report (which anyone can access for a fee) . Not much you can do with a Driver's License number, and they can get your address (US) from the City Directory published by R.L Polk and Co. Most if not all larger cities/metropolitan areas have one, and it's updated annually.


That's all the info they're getting out of me though. They have that, and my payment info. that's all they need.

Funny thing is I dont hang out where there's a lot of "adult themed material", but I have shops in malls that are adult themed, so I figured it would benefit me in the long run to verify. Quick, painless, and took me all of a few minutes if that.

But I have to admit, on the verge of 42, it was nice to be carded again.

If you need give only a very little bit of information to have your age verified, that does not mean that the verification system is shoddy. What that means is that you would be shocked at how much information exists on you in various databases that sell your information, and that because all that information already exists on you, a service may only need one or two little pieces of information to locate a ton of data on you.

Having used skip-tracing databases before, I was amazed at how easy it was for me to find a lot of information on a particular person by just starting with an incomplete name and one other piece of information, like an old address that hasn't been used in 20 years.

The test of the system is not in how easy it is for the system to come up with the correct answer. The test is in how easy it is to fool the system.

so as it`s "out there" nway, we should just submit it to a proven company wich sells personal details to the highest bidder?

using old/innacurate info is as said by incompitence&co for supplying false information as easilly obtained from other sources of info like signup, cc etc, beating the system and you get fried totally in the end

symphaties to who will endup with shops in restricted sims/parcels but as my fav shops are in area`s that will be shutdown for unverified, they will loose my money wich is mostly impulse buy it "empty"

Interestingly:
And on a lighter note, all the people saying that minors would just use their parents' actually gave me a good idea. If I can't get Aristotle/Integrity to acknowledge I exist, I'll ask my mom if she'll try her details the next time I'm over and see if that'll do it .

Verified my main and all but one of my alts with no trouble at all, using my real info and last 4 of my SSN. Kept one alt unverified to test access permissions, for now.

However, when viewed with the new RC viewer, all the accounts, the ones I verified and the one I did not, they all say ", Not" after the payment info in their profiles. So apparently it takes a while to get the age verification data in-world? Like more than 3 hours? And despite what the FAQ says, you CAN see someone else's age verification status in an individual's Profile.

Here and in the blog comments i've seen several stories about having to enter in information from years ago. Has it occurred to anyone else that this might be a data mining technique? Think about it... Apparently they have your address from 4 years ago... suppose that cost a certain amount for them to acquire that data, But now, with LL's blessing, and due to your persistent attempts to verify, this company now has on record every place you've lived for the past 4 years. for free. voluntarily.

"rejected" does not mean "discarded."

I saw that too and wondered if LL has been watching too much Wayne's World. "Payment info used, Not"!

I've also seen an un-verified move onto a verified-only parcel.. I didn't see them mention it in the blog but I guess nothing's being enforced yet??

We've had to use a passport checker at work. It just verifies that the document is genuine, no more no less. I've just tried to verify, no luck.

I'd like to know that too: I also couldn't find it in the blog or KB articles. It was the first thing I tried with my unverified alt. But I realized it wasn't a great test because he has an "Owner" role in the group to which the land is deeded. I'm running out of alts to test all the combinations!

The sky, it falls. RUN RUN!!!


That being said I verified. I have bad credit, please steal my identity and improve it.

I was about to reply that Linden Labs would not do this, but before I did, I checked the TOS.

To paraphrase section 6.1 of the TOS, Linden Labs will not give your personal information to third parties, unless Linden Labs wants to give your personal information to third parties.

I doubt that the process is a disguise for such data collection. But the TOS does not guarantee that Linden Labs will not give information back to the company doing the age verification. That seems to fall under, "reasonably necessary to fulfill your service request, to third- party fulfillment houses, customer support, billing and credit verification services, and the like."

I bet the age verification company would provide a discount to Linden Labs in return for information to add to its databases.

Edit: The FAQ on Age Verification says that the information provided for age verification is not retained by Linden Labs or the company doing the age verification. So I would assume that Linden Labs is being honest here.

Assuming that text is a verbatim copy/paste from the blog, you are reading it wrong. Note that the first part refers to banning residents who HAVE provided payment info. Thus, this isn't a semantic game surrounding one issue, it's two different things talked about in the same sentence.

Reading the 50% of replies here i figured that none (of those 50%) really got why this has been introduced. It's not to prevent minors to access to the main grid (as you continue to say: i may get the driver license from my parents.. bla bla bla) but it's to move the rensposability away from LL and land owners whenever a minor is exposed to adult contents.

Without a age verification: LL is on risky, because doesn't have in place a concrete way to identify the age of a person. In lawsuit where a minor may be involved, LL may be condamned because it doesn't have (had) an efficient way to prevent a minor to join the main grid in seconds. On the other side, the land owners, may be on risky as well because the fact that minors aren't allowed on the main grid, isn't enough to be "covered" and assumption: they aren't authorized, so no minors can be be here isn't right for the current law (at least not in USA, were about 2 months ago a guy has been condamned because he meet a girl on a "adult only" network.. when she wasn't (adult)).

With a "strong" age verification (providing a ID): LL and land owners does have no rensponsability if a minor joins the main grid, because they adopted all the methods provided by the law to verify his identity... so the "guilty" would be the person/minor that is "falsificated" a ID (federal crime) or the parents that has no control on their childs (got their ID's "stolen".

Then again, this is not to prevent childs on SL... this is just to be "safe" when someone gets in: i've asked for his ID / i've flagged my land where only persons that provided a valid ID can join. It's a kind like sell alchool to minors: if you don't ask for a document, you are wrong; if you ask for a document, but it is false, it's not your problem anymore. In both cases the child will buy that bottle of wiskey, but in the first one the shopper would be "outlaw", in the second case the minor is!

Soz about my english... im (indeed) not english, it's 4.37am here (italy).. ah, and age verification doesn't work for me (lol) both with identity card and driving license.

I won't have anything to do with this publicity stunt scam which is all it is. It looks like I will be having martial relations with my unverified partner fully clothed or out back in the outhouse on our unverified land like our forefathers did.

The fact that we know one another in first life doesn't count since we will both be unverified.

Oh and one more thing I just thought of. My plan is to ban all verified users from my land as I assume the only reason they got verified is 1) they fell for the LL scam or 2) they want to be verified as official purveyors of pornography. Either way I don't want them anyway near me.

hmmm...... the seller of the whisky is not off the hook if the minor provides a fake ID.

hmm....

Okay...so I was actually excited about this age verification business.

I went in..first I tried my driver liscence..no good.

Tried the last 4 of my ssn no good.

Kept saying..maybe your address and or name has changed in the last 18 months?

I got married and moved FOUR years ago?..Are you kidding..I don't remember my old address.

Please tell me this is just a beta issue.

ID Theifs can use those last 4 digits to their hearts content.

I dont trust these methods they're coming up with.

In this day an age of ID Theft, LL really should consider a better alternative.

That or use it to commit terrorist acts in other countries.