Age verification enters Grid-wide beta

I tried, used my grandmother's info who was born in October of 1907, 1907 is the earliest year they had, so anyone over that can't verify they are 101...

Neither her last address or prior address worked, ironically I'd recently had a transaction with the Treasury Department for which they required a death certificate, but apparently Integrity already believes she's passed... (Or they are cross referencing, since lists of deceased with social #s are available online.)

Ironically, I am payment info on file and verified successfully with non-matching info.

Amusingly the checkbox for the form I accepted only asks that the information provided is accurate, not your ID, nor accurate to you! LOL

As a beta test, it seems to be doing what it's supposed to, deflect control of access, who knows if it will hold up to a legal challenge? Might this thread be of interest to attorneys seeking to sue LL?

Same here, Alyx. German ID card, passport, driving license. Old and new adress (I moved in march 06). Nothing works. Still the same trouble like months ago when they started it for concierge customers.

Same here. IT workers, scientists, students who study in another country and many more people will not be able to verify.

What is even funnier, for my home country they provide *five* ID Types of verification (Passport Number, Personal Identification Number, Identity Card, Driver's License, and Last 4 SSN) but we don't even have ID Types like SSN and Personal Identification Number.

A nice mess as predicted. Ah well...

Well,

here some observation i made on that Giant JOKE Linden labs doing cause that's so ridiculous it can't be something else a JOKE... er? no?

The Beta System itself on the Linden Labs seem to not really work as espected... heh i'm not surprised too much.

I'm not worried about pass the scaned documents asked by Linden Labs because it's no more that what company selling E-Gold ask you to verify your indentity.

But yes in fact that is more looking like a Identity verification than an Age Verification, however i can't find a true manner to do that without verifying identity also.

I have send documents to LL, and now still waiting and presume it's normal as they said Manual verification process can take up to 1 week on the FAQ.

But if i don't get verified next week, i'm gonna to flame the support as hell, cause i'm really tired on the very BAD Linden Lack of communication with their customers.

The DVLA has sold personal data to private companies for years. It is a well known fact and has been in the news more than once.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/4493926.stm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/19/dvla_sells_you_down_river/

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=369838&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ct=5

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=424553&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true

They have a better business acumen than the Inland Revenue then

Yeah very true LOL. The Inland Revenue just give it away on CD

I think my life is too quiet.
Noone knows me.
I tried to verify.
It failed.
Poor Dutchies.

That was my bet too, back in the early months of the year when this whole age verification thingy was first mooted.

Considering we are not being charged for this 'service' by either LL or Integrity, at the moment, do you think Integrity are doing it for love?

That is one reason why I wont verify. Business doesnt do anything for love, and if its not for money, then it must be to increase their assets, which is the size of their database. And if they want to increase the size of their database, then its not being discarded, but kept.

The other reason I wont verify is that its strongly discouraged in my country (UK) to pass the sort of information that is being demanded, to any third party that doesnt need to have it.

imogen

ever cynical, but mostly justifiably so

Well, if my verification is not fixed while the system is still in beta (and without me opening a support ticket, since I would not know what exactly to say in it that it has not already been said by hundreds of other people), that will be it for my premium account renewal.

I have no intention to pay a single linden to be verified nor I am sending any scanned documents to LL. While I am perfectly willing to provide my RL name and address to the general public (and phone number, I am not easily scared, nor I am too paranoid and, though not famous by any means, I am not exactly an unknown on the Internet), scanning my ID documents and sending them to complete strangers is a big no-no for me.

For some reason my current address (which I have had since the year 2000 and that has been publicly available for many, many years in the WHOIS database) and my current Passport and ID card numbers cannot be matched. My previous address in my country of origin (where I lived from 1989 to late 1999) does not work either. I fail to see how this could be my fault, but then again LL has no obligation to accept my money.

Signed, a fairly upset Italian in Switzerland.

Gleaning from the various JIRA and wiki sources, the login system had to be rewritten to support third party access to Second Life resources, with some hints thrown in that the old method had some security deficiencies. The layout changes are not just cosmetic, those blanks and buttons are now drawn by the built-in web browser instead of the "outer" client UI. the preferences button really doesn't belong in that form, though they probably could reimplement it in a roundabout way.

Hey didnt LL say the "charge" for you suckers getting verfiyed was only gona be like $10L?
a "token"?

O and btw I have already heard a few hackers in sl looking into the data base with you age id info lol

...your gona get spammed like hell I bet lol

not to mention this is a GREAT way for LL to start ratting out its players from China..yes they are opening an office there

Well i read from a linden blog remark it was done so protection of information. At first it looked like someone screwed up because the camera buttons are clear showing without the viewer being login to second life. As for the "perference buttons" NOT being in their real location is just looks then anything else. Frankly speaking I like the older version . I understand most apps use thise standard location for perf. But really .........

I sent a support ticket and included a (bad) scan of my ID card and passport (passport for the number, back of the ID card for the current address as this isn't on the passport) and they verified me by hand within two hours...

I don't mind uploading a scan via a safe connection, I WOULD mind sending it normally by email. Besides, what would anyone be able to do with it anyway????

they didn't get the whole thing, and the point was to test exactly how 'accurate' and 'useful' this new feature is.... or rather isn't.... now I'll grant that my son has credit in his name (which I set up for the express purpose of building his credit so by the time he needs it for a car, he'll have less trouble, and yes the CC is aware of his age)... but really... how good is their info if they passed him? can someone elses 12yo use their own info? who is liable for that oversight? LL surely doesn't know the difference, apparently neither does 'integrity'. the whole system is a joke.

also, given your date of bith, and the place, the hardest 4 #'s to put together are the last 4 for a US SSN, I've seen applications that given that info can guess the rest in short order, with very few tries since the metrics for the rest are all avilable from various sources online. in fact there are apps out there that verify SSN's by comparing the first 2 sections with place and a time given to produce a valid/invalid result... and zero interaction from SSA.

how secure does this new system make you feel NOW?

LL is just eating the cost and paying it with general tier fee money:
* LL pays WordPress to host the blog
* LL pays Amazon for hosting the viewer downloads
* LL pays a third-party for hosting and running the voice servers
* LL pays a third-party for hosting and running the support portal
* LL pays Aristotle for insurance against lawsuits, age verification is a (required) part of that package

Noone is doing anything for the "love" of it, it's all a paid service, you're just not paying for it directly.

It really ticks me off that this data mining company we're supposed to verify with already has access to our SSNs and drivers license numbers, as well as who knows what other data about us. Because of course, they couldn't verify those were our ID numbers unless they already had access to them.

Theoretically, they don't keep the data on us after we verify (whether or not that is actually the case is highly questionable.) So technically, we could use the personal information of anyone whose personal details we have to verify our accounts, without any repercussions for providing false real life information. So does that mean I could use my ex-husband's address and SSN to verify my accounts? I don't give a rip whether his identity gets stolen.

Just wondering. Not saying I'm gonna do it. But I certainly have no plans to verify using MY real life personal information unless they accept information that is known to be public record, such as my property tax record on my home.

instead of getting bored i went and did something usefull, as prolly known by now that i`m dutch, i went to those free legal advice offices to have a clear answer about the privacy laws wich could count for other countries in the EU aswell

take this with a grain of salt as it`s done by junior lawyers doing their "time" befor going into a normal job and ofcourse huge "IF`s" with a good lawyer, financial backing and ofcourse some luck

LL has moved their banking to the UK, they are basicly screwed them selfs over with this as an european company wich must obly by all EU laws including privacy acts

IF (huge f`ing IF) you loose money/assets wich can be PROVEN to be bought with legal currency, like transaction history print outs) and/or lost income with proof with sales graphics over time and expected revenue loss (if doing it all legally with taxes etc) and you are put out of business or banned from the game as the result of verification, you have grounds to take Linden Lab to court as they are located in the UK

the reason it is possible is because supplying the required info is ILLIGAL unless it is directly or indirectly needed for govermental reasons (insurance, legal, taxes, job, benefits, house rental/propperty, etc)

that serial you have is not yours but owned by your goverment and you are NOT free to do as you wish with it, that piece of paper it is printed on (passport, drivers licence, ID card) you don`t own either and is propperty of the goverment, the fee you pay when ordering it (passport, drivers licence, id card etc) are just administrative fee`s

let the abouve sink in as for most europeans these laws are almost the same


Linden Lab wants us to break our own laws while they have to obly by them aswell with as they have their banking done in the UK and as far as the law goes, Linden Lab is an european "service" provider and by doing this they can be held accountable for any financial damages done by demanding us doing this


some interresting times ahead untill they piss off the wrong person who can afford taking Linden Lab to court in the EU over this, wished i had the financials to do it right now befor it is implement fully lol

LL has no business presence inside of the EU. There's an office somewhere in the UK with some Lindens there, but it isn't a corporate presence for Linden Lab.

they have as all transactions are done from there and as the UK is part of the EU, they are in the EU as far as the law cares

IF they would have kept the banking in the US, they would have been off the hook

edit,
i`ve spent hours in a little "box" asking these questions several times with a twist to it of "if`s" and the answer every time was the abouve, billing and transactions are done within EU law boundries and must submit to all laws by the EU and where applicable(sp) by their states (countries) wich the privacy act falls under

I'm in the same boat as you Alyx. Expat in Germany. No German ID, don't need it. Irish ID works fine here. They are checking for only German ID apparantly.

/me makes a really mad face, and sent in a support ticket.

Tristin, I am trying to verify because I think the idea is not that bad. The fact that you think that makes me a "sucker" I do not care much about, the fact you waste forum space by saying so, does. Really, RA can do without postings like yours.

To the rest: From the Netherlands, Age verification failed. Neither passport nor drivers license. Used the support portal to let LL know. No recent address changes so that cannot be it. Them having my credit card info should be enough anyway, but they seem to think different.


Greetings, Marcel

I'd say you've just proved that Aristotle are hopeless at best, and that all the people worrying about their ID are about as likely to be actually identified as they are to wake up tomorrow made entirely of tomatoes.

Seriously ... 99% of verifications we do at work which go through Aristotle fail. We have to ask for a Driver's Licence/Passport AND a proof of ID, usually a credit card statement. This included one card/account registered by the guy who holds the CASINO licence on occasion.

Social Security number or National Insurance number? I think that's not even an option ... I will investigate tonight when I have nothing better to do (being, for the first time in a long time, definitely and positively alone in SL tonight ... think I will watch TV instead )

I tried to post a reply but it was refused. So I'll try again.
I have been on SL (and paid my way) for over a year and I have NO intention of age verifying.
I have NO desire to hand over my passport number, citizenship number (we can carry such cards in my country), Social Insurance number or driver licence number to a foreign company/third party.
If you ar ewilling to compromise (or even slightly compromise) your security or anyone else's for that matter by offering up private information, then so be it ...
But the risk is just too much. I prefer to live a "pure" and spartan existence in sl (lol) than take a chance like that.
By the way - just what exactly is being closed off to we who dont age verify? Some bondage sims? Will clothes/skins/hair stores be shut?? I guess so ... the madness of banning naked "cartoons" when the real world is full of REAL horrors.
Okay, I'll shut up now (or try to).