Staying Home to watch the Inaguration?
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sable Valentine
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01-20-2009 09:58
From: Yngwie Krogstad I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but this needs to be said.
I've heard it said that Obama has made history by being elected as the first African-American President in the history of the United States. I do know what they mean, and it is a valid point. However...... I'd like to propose something else:
Barak Obama is not the first African-American President of the United States.
Before you get angry about that, read on and see why.
For many many years we have heard about African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Italian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, etc., ad nauseum. While it is true that all these terms have American as the root, they still emphasize differences. "I am an African-American. You are not." I am an American. Period. This is not a country of people who are united by blood, religious beliefs, race, or any of that. This is a country where we are united by a shared belief that we are all equal, and deserve to live in freedom. We are Americans, and nothing but Americans.
If you choose to celebrate your heritage, great, I'm all for it. But you are not a part of any hyphenated group in this country, you are an American. I am an American. We are all together.
These hyphenated terms need to be dumped on the trash-pile of history and we all need to move forward as Americans, united by our one common cause, not divided by our differences that brought these hyphenated terms into play in the first place! While I applaud you for bringing up that point. At lot of citizens are still alive that only lived with the reguritation of them being a subgroup of America. With the advent of internet and other immediate forms of communication that recent generations have enjoyed, there is a segment of society that haven't. For them, this is possibly affirmation even if you feel it is a subgroup of American. For those generations they need it. As these folks die off, they will be sorely missed because they are an active link of the past for all its shortcomings. You see now, references to how people endured the depression. My aunt and her sister (my grandmother) could not sit in the same theater next to each other. My grandmother "passed" (look it up if you don't what it means) and my aunt didn't. Or they will let my dad "ride" the streetcar because he "passed" but my aunt couldn't. I am BLESSED that I have relatives still alive from that generation. My aunt Polly who had a BF well into her 90's and defined why you should quit him when you that old. Eventually as folks die off... there will be an increased dulution and more and more citizens will seem themselves as SOLELY American. But, there will still be those that will use the hypenated terms.
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01-20-2009 10:05
From: sable Valentine Eventually as folks die off... there will be an increased dulution and more and more citizens will seem themselves as SOLELY American. But, there will still be those that will use the hypenated terms. And while we will not forget their contributions to how our lives are now, we will live the dreams that they wanted for themselves by being truly EQUAL.
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Lias Leandros
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01-20-2009 10:08
It was a great showing. He didn't drop in from a airplane like Bush did but he made a splash anyway. Aretha Franklin singing the Star Spangle Banner was a nice surprise.
Obama may not save the world, or even America but he has managed to change the way the political game is played in the USA. I feel we are in for four years of innovation and somewhat pleasant surprises from this forward thinker.
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Amaranthim Talon
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01-20-2009 10:51
From: Yngwie Krogstad I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but this needs to be said.
I've heard it said that Obama has made history by being elected as the first African-American President in the history of the United States. I do know what they mean, and it is a valid point. However...... I'd like to propose something else:
Barak Obama is not the first African-American President of the United States.
Before you get angry about that, read on and see why.
For many many years we have heard about African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Italian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, etc., ad nauseum. While it is true that all these terms have American as the root, they still emphasize differences. "I am an African-American. You are not." I am an American. Period. This is not a country of people who are united by blood, religious beliefs, race, or any of that. This is a country where we are united by a shared belief that we are all equal, and deserve to live in freedom. We are Americans, and nothing but Americans.
If you choose to celebrate your heritage, great, I'm all for it. But you are not a part of any hyphenated group in this country, you are an American. I am an American. We are all together.
These hyphenated terms need to be dumped on the trash-pile of history and we all need to move forward as Americans, united by our one common cause, not divided by our differences that brought these hyphenated terms into play in the first place! /me applauds - I agree that labels serve to divide. Further, how is he African? Because his ancestors were? By that light, I am Italian-French-African-Cuban and Naturalized American - nah- I think I'll stick with Citizen and be done with it. My husband works with a real, honest to goodness, African-American - a white guy born in Africa and Naturalized American Citizen... wonder what he calls himself? We do need to see more beyond labels - and just see people.
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Jerboa Haystack
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01-20-2009 11:00
From: Amaranthim Talon /me applauds - I agree that labels serve to divide. Further, how is he African? Because his ancestors were? By that light, I am Italian-French-African-Cuban and Naturalized American - nah- I think I'll stick with Citizen and be done with it. My husband works with a real, honest to goodness, African-American - a white guy born in Africa and Naturalized American Citizen... wonder what he calls himself? We do need to see more beyond labels - and just see people. Sorry Amara...In this case...his father is Kenyan.
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-20-2009 11:02
What about Mustelid-Americans?
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Bella Posaner
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01-20-2009 11:03
Just got to work, I was watching the inaguration at home, it's the first one I've seen. Obama certainly is a flawless speaker, I enjoyed his speach. I hope he will do well, interesting times indeed.
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Amaranthim Talon
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01-20-2009 11:08
From: Jerboa Haystack Sorry Amara...In this case...his father is Kenyan. No i get that- I do. I am just making a general statement really. More about the separation that the labels make evident. I guess we call him African-American  - but as President- I think he should be the first to cast off labels and - just be American.
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Amaranthim Talon
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01-20-2009 11:08
From: Argent Stonecutter What about Mustelid-Americans? Another fuzzy-wuzzy 
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sable Valentine
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01-20-2009 11:21
From: Amaranthim Talon No i get that- I do. I am just making a general statement really. More about the separation that the labels make evident. I guess we call him African-American  - but as President- I think he should be the first to cast off labels and - just be American. Exactly, just be American.
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Skell Dagger
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01-20-2009 11:32
From: Amaranthim Talon Another fuzzy-wuzzy  /me winces. I know you probably intended that with the meaning of 'another blurry word' but here in the UK that expression... uh... well, read for yourself: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuzzy%20wuzzy(Those browsing from work will probably find that page blocked. Consider it NSFW.)
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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01-20-2009 11:39
From: Yngwie Krogstad
These hyphenated terms need to be dumped on the trash-pile of history and we all need to move forward as Americans, united by our one common cause, not divided by our differences that brought these hyphenated terms into play in the first place!
Today is a major milestone on the long and unbelievably painful journey from the days when people were routinely denied jobs, housing, and safety from physical violence, because they were classified according to their gender, ethnic roots, sexual preference, financial assets, and religion, to a time when we all really have put aside such distinctions.
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Amaranthim Talon
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01-20-2009 11:51
From: Skell Dagger /me winces. I know you probably intended that with the meaning of 'another blurry word' but here in the UK that expression... uh... well, read for yourself: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuzzy%20wuzzy(Those browsing from work will probably find that page blocked. Consider it NSFW.) With trepidation I will go look- but i meant it in the sense of critters are fuzzy  - ferrets are cool fuzzy critters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustelidae
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01-20-2009 11:53
From: Skell Dagger /me winces. I know you probably intended that with the meaning of 'another blurry word' but here in the UK that expression... uh... well, read for yourself: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuzzy%20wuzzy(Those browsing from work will probably find that page blocked. Consider it NSFW.) Good grief!!! I totally meant no racial slurs - i was talking about animals- ferrets ir particular since Argent often comments on his ferretness- I will go add a disclaimer but not remove it so no one will wonder what the heck that was about. /me thinks she willrefrain from posting anything a while...
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01-20-2009 11:55
/me chuckles. I know you didn't mean anything like that. Just another grand old example of two nations divided by a common language 
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Amaranthim Talon
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01-20-2009 11:56
From: Amaranthim Talon Another fuzzy-wuzzy  Edited to add that i have been now informed this is a racial slurl in England. It was meant completely and only to refer to Mr. Stonecutter's ferret comment and not intended to denigrate people of any sort, nationality, creed, orientation or what ever i may have missed! My apologies if anyone took offense.
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01-20-2009 13:27
From: Brenda Connolly It's funny how so many who are saying "We must support because he is the President" are the same who wouldn't urinate on his predecessor if he were on fire. It's all the same game. I'm not playing it anymore. A pox on all of them. From: Rush Limbaugh I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun.
-http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html p.s. wow... just, wow. but what started as a rather fantastic and surprising day in the deliveries has some sombre and alerting emergencies (i'm sure the conspiracy theorists'll hava field day over that! proving they end up working for both sides, even as they try to prove 'they're smarter than everyone else'... don't try to outsmart the scientists folks; not many of ya are very good at it. ;0) i only set aside the end of a few leftover dead-media vhs for this, but ended up scrambling for a fourth tape ("ace ventura" can get taped over lol for part 4/out of originally/2). this is at the very very least, the first post-mtv election, clinton's 'boxers or briefs' be damned... in fact i'd negate that as obvious kid's stuff, and declare this the first real 'mtv election', (although 1) it never got that obvious, and 2) i mean that in all positive ways.) that first advertisement after going commercial-free for so long on msnbc though, was an obvious "yeah you're mtv/post-mtv generation!! rock on drink pepsi!!" commercial... sigh. i'm glad i never joined the ad industry; i would have weilded too much evil... ;0
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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01-20-2009 13:30
From: Amaranthim Talon No i get that- I do. I am just making a general statement really. More about the separation that the labels make evident. I guess we call him African-American  - but as President- I think he should be the first to cast off labels and - just be American. He agrees. http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/04/americans-for-mccain/“There is no white America. There is no black America. There is no Latino America. There is no Asian America. There is just the United States of America.” Obama has been saying this repeatedly this for at least two years.
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Cael Merryman
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01-20-2009 15:42
From: Ponsonby Low At least Obama did mention 'non-believers'. I hope he wasn't stupid enough to characterize non-theists as non-believers. Theists have as many things they choose to not believe in as non-theists. Those that choose to believe in the acceptable forms of the supernatural also have no monopoly on belief either.
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Bella Posaner
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01-20-2009 15:46
From: Amaranthim Talon Edited to add that i have been now informed this is a racial slurl in England. It was meant completely and only to refer to Mr. Stonecutter's ferret comment and not intended to denigrate people of any sort, nationality, creed, orientation or what ever i may have missed! My apologies if anyone took offense. I had not idea it meant that either and I watch Coro street LOL. But I think it was clear how you intended it, no one took offence....I don't think 
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Oryx Tempel
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01-20-2009 15:51
I cried. It was a great speech, and he has the potential to be a great man.
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Cael Merryman
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01-20-2009 15:53
From: Cael Merryman I hope he wasn't stupid enough to characterize non-theists as non-believers. Theists have as many things they choose to not believe in as non-theists. Those that choose to believe in the acceptable forms of the supernatural also have no monopoly on belief either. Yep, he did. Amazing how prejudice slides right through if the majority believes it. Atheists are not 'non-believers' by not believing in a theist point of view, any more than theists are non-believers for not joining in support of secular humanism. Both are beliefs. Pagans are not 'non-believers', even if many choose to not believe in the supernatural over the natural. So evidently if you don't believe in one of the beliefs that Obama can get his head around, you are a non-believer. Sad. There were better, much better ways, of saying it, as in 'a full spectrum of beliefs' or similar.
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Bella Posaner
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01-20-2009 15:54
I don’t live in the states, nor do I understand the racial divide at all. Racism is not something that I have ever had to deal with and although it is present here, it’s not extensive or common, where I live and work.
My past estate manager, made some very racist comments when President Obama won the election and quite frankly it shocked me. She also tried to convince me that her views were that of the majority of white of Americans, I find that so hard to believe.
From what I see, President Obama seems like a genuine good guy, he is engaging, intelligent, determined and has a fresh young perspective. And for the love of god he sure has hell can’t mess it up any more than anyone before him has. It’s not like the shoes he has to fill are big ones.
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Bella Posaner
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01-20-2009 16:03
From: Oryx Tempel I cried. It was a great speech, and he has the potential to be a great man. I agree, except I would say he is already a great man.
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Treasure Ballinger
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01-20-2009 16:06
From: sable Valentine While I applaud you for bringing up that point. At lot of citizens are still alive that only lived with the reguritation of them being a subgroup of America. With the advent of internet and other immediate forms of communication that recent generations have enjoyed, there is a segment of society that haven't.
For them, this is possibly affirmation even if you feel it is a subgroup of American. For those generations they need it. As these folks die off, they will be sorely missed because they are an active link of the past for all its shortcomings. You see now, references to how people endured the depression.
My aunt and her sister (my grandmother) could not sit in the same theater next to each other. My grandmother "passed" (look it up if you don't what it means) and my aunt didn't. Or they will let my dad "ride" the streetcar because he "passed" but my aunt couldn't. I am BLESSED that I have relatives still alive from that generation. My aunt Polly who had a BF well into her 90's and defined why you should quit him when you that old.
Eventually as folks die off... there will be an increased dulution and more and more citizens will seem themselves as SOLELY American. But, there will still be those that will use the hypenated terms. Mmmhmmm. I could 'pass' also in rl but never ever would, downright militant about it. My generation didn't really belive in 'bi and 'multi', in matters of race. If you looked one way but really 'were' another, then you chose. And that is what I did. Background, how one was raised had a lot to do with that. I wasn't really around whites much til college, before that, in my 'wonder bread years' everyone in my life was black. My son on the other hand is color blind, he really just doesn't see it, and that shows a forward move generationally, and is a good thing. Racism still rears it's head though........just not politically correct nowadays, little more covert......sometimes. Treasure
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