How do you find a good guy

As I have said before, I am *not* Annabel. I know how to spell "separate" and "interesting".

Her English isn't perfect (I wish she would use more punctuation ) although I would disagree with your claim that two words in her post represents "lots" of misspellings , but having spoken to her inworld I am sure that English *is* her mother language - *not* "mother's" language, although that is a quaint way of saying it, even if it is extremely sexist and likely to antagonise members of "Fathers 4 Justice".

"Mr Pep-Show" as a soubriquet is of course incomprehensible, since even if you meant to say "Mr Peep-Show" it would be a non sequitur both in terms of relevance to my nickname *and* any voyeuristic activities you might be implying from ignorance.

A word from the wise: unprovoked ad hominem attacks such as yours are a better basis for ARs than my expressing views on the effectiveness of presentation of arguments, or otherwise, so you may wish to be a little more temperate in the way you post in future.

Pep (has reviewed the locked threads )

PS Where are you Annabel? Given up?

That wasn't a fancy nor a snappy response, not a sharp sarcasm one nor a wise one.

Both of you are from the UK and your mother language, YOUR English, isn't perfect, yes!
I found more than just two words! That's a prove that you aren't Mister nor/or Misses perfect, so do not blame those foreigners who want to communicate in a foreign language.

I found two mistakes of you in the above quoted text. Check it out yourself.

Sarcasm should not be confused with plain rudeness.

"Jokes" about mental health, race, education, financial situations and so on should not be taken lightly. Most of the people in this forum are able to tell if a person is truly being sarcastic, or he/she is just saying the wrong things - which YOU do. Even your best friend Honeybear is ashamed of you. Get that fixed asap or the community will fix you, so I do hope.

I have never seen so many harsh and rude attacks on one single website.

Mister-And-Misses-Pp-Show!

Are you doing this to get free English lessons perhaps? It is reassuring to see that you are learning from my corrections. Perhaps you would care to indicate the two "errors" you think that I have made in my post. It would be illuminating. Nevertheless, I shall refrain from criticising your post's quaint English this time to avoid boring everyone including myself.

In the meantime, to "educate" me, perhaps you would like to make two lists of topics that you think *are* or *aren't* suitable subjects for jokes?

Pep (Still waiting to be "fixed"

OK this is really going OT now but I still would like to comment.

SL - being populated by people from all over the world - is indeed an excellent place to improve your language skills. "Free English lessons" are everywhere in SL. Isn't that awesome? Just speaking for myself now, I happily accept any corrections of mistakes I do when writing or speaking in English. It's my second language so it naturally won't be "perfect". So far I've never encountered a person though who was making fun of my zomg! not so perfect English. If anything like that was happening to me, I would ask them politely how many languages *they* speak and write fluently. Very often the answer might be "just one, English". So those people better shut up, since I speak and write three languages and am able to follow casual conversations in a couple more

LOLz
There are two kinds of sarcastic people: the ones who do it to be funny, or the ones that do it because they are in a bad mood or irritated. We should just stay away from the irritated ones, right?


Mister Pp-Show: You should listen to your wife and drink more water rather than Scotch. It really helps.


PS: About your education requests. I know you are somewhat educated and I can feel some "stigmas" inside you. You remember the time in school and the pain in your neck, don't you? But do not abuse others for the mistakes you have done and do not blame others if someone hurt you.


I wish you would make a break from being sarcastic and irritated. Go out of your home if you can, go fishing whatever, read a book. If you cant - talk about your probelms and you will make friends.

Simply me

Perhaps the difference is that I recognise my inability in the second language I speak to make comprehensible complex philosophical arguments, and therefore do not do so.

Pep (My 13 year old son son claims to be able to speak over thirty languages, all of them in a *very* limited fashion)

ETA: The post above exemplifies my point.

Hmm I am sorry but I really doubt you would be able to put my abilities to the test. You most likely couldn't even read one single letter.

(Hopefully this is getting back on topic now.)

The post above exemplifies my point.

Pep (I really don't need to say much, do I?)

This thread is adult and should be locked. We never know, corporate bigwigs could be reading this site and be offended. We know they never boink their admin assistants.

QFT!!

Americans seem to be the worst at this (and I'm an American). I personally would support having to take at least a semester of another language to graduate high school in America.

When I was in school, 1year, iirc, of Spanish was required. (I lived in Miami.) I continued on with Spanish each year and took two more years in college, thus I was fluent during all those years. When I moved to another part of the country where Spanish was not often spoken, I started losing the fluency to the point that I can now understand quite a bit and read more, but speak very little.

I so admire those who speak more than one language.

So - one person finds grammatical and other such errors annoying. Many people find the continued harping on it annoying.

Who wins?

Thumb wrestling, anyone?

Finding them is the easy part. Catching them is harder. I suggest digging a pit and covering it with leaves and branches.

Na most guys want women to know what they want.. air heads get annoying pretty quick.
btw OP a/s/l ? heh

/me laughs.. I love this one.


Edit: oh, oh, don't forget to keep telling us how 'logical' you are, proof by assertion is your best 'logical' argument. Also, accusing us of being 'emotional' like your 'wife' will do wonders for your self perception.

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Oh dear. Yet again I have to explain that I don't particularly find these errors annoying, simply that their existence can dilute views and opinions that the posters express, since they create uncertainty in the mind of the reader that the posters actually mean what they are appearing to say.

Since criticism is generally perceived as negative (try coaching or teaching without pointing out faults) I have also constructively explained how the situation could be easily improved. For example, if dyslexics and ESLers indicated up front their status (it's not too difficult to use the forum profile capabilities to indicate this) then it would mitigate the possibility that they might be considered stupid posters (or lazy) when their presentation appeared defective. Turning spell-check capabilities on and reviewing posts before submission might help as well, but I can understand that some people are impatient.

I am *not* intolerant nor prejudiced; I have a second language myself (good enough to have sustained a relationship with a native speaker for a year or so) but I would not dream of attempting complex technical or philosophical conversations in public. I can understand the potential frustration of those who wish to participate in and benefit from English language forums, and applaud the enthusiasm of those who *do* have the courage to do so - but *please* tell us that what we read might conceivably not actually be what you meant to say. Even I have been known to be sympathetic in such circumstances!

Pep (Even EFLers find me difficult to understand, I believe! )

I tend to disagree with you on this one Pep.

Given that a person has a view they wish to share on some topic missing punctuation does not lessen or dilute their view. However some one raving on and putting people down all the time tends to show that maybe that person is very lonely in RL and puts others down to build themselves up.


Now back to the topic have you tried this place for a good guy?



http://www.thegoodguys.com.au/portal/page/portal/tggwebportal/corporate/storelocator

You are, of course, entitled to disagree with my argument, but at least you seem to partially understand it. I would argue that I will consider less convincing the view of someone who is unable to differentiate correctly between its and it's. Others may not. That, however, is only part of my argument; misspelling, incorrect usage, quaint vocabulary, confusing grammar, inappropriate constructs etc are also likely to diminish the force of a post.

"Raving"? "Putting people down"? "All the time"? Hardly. Perhaps you notice my posts more than most because of the clarity and force of presentation of my arguments? Your interpretation of my status is wide of the mark as well, but there is no reason for you to know any better.

Pep (There is actually no need for you to comment on that at all, actually )

It also applies in reverse, I assure you.

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Aes

SL is an international venue. For many posters here English is their second or even third language. So unless you are able to produce your posts in at least one other language you are in no position to criticize others' grammar or spelling mistakes. No doubt - it does require some skill to understand people with poor language knowledge (be it written or spoken), but it is possible to understand a misspelled "it's" and replace it with the correct "its" in your mind. Well, that trick should be managable if you are a reasonably intelligent person.

(Feel free to correct me. I take free lessons from a native speaker any time!)

I am sorry, but this is a completely illogical argument with no causal connection between your first two and third sentences. You may wish to note that there are dedicated foreign language subforums available if you look further down the summary list. I have already indicated that I am capable in a second language but I practise what I preach.

You have failed to comprehend my full argument in almost exactly the same way as Windsweptgold, to whom I have responded already, so I am not going to bother to repeat myself. Perhaps you did not read that post.

This is not the place for it.

Pep (Would prefer to return the thread to its original purpose)

Since this is SL, that may or may not be true. I was once told by a guy that if all they wanted was some decent sex, often the air heads were best - they would not want to talk afterwards and could be pushed out the door easier.

Although I am loathe to admit it here, I am an English teacher in RL, and Pep has a point. (Admitting I agree with Pep isn't the issue, it's putting myself out there as a teacher that projects a target on my back! ) Poor grammar, spelling and/or punctuation often clouds intent, encourages ambiguity and leaves the impression of a lazy/indifferent writer. I understand that non-native speakers of the language will make mistakes, but THEY need to understand that because of those mistakes, their messages may be misconstrued, misinterpreted, or just plain ignored. :: shrug ::

psst..pep...it is spelled "practice"...not practise.

psst....Jojo....if it is a noun it is "practice"; if it is a verb it is "practise", since you brought it up . . .

Pep ( . . . unless you are American when it is "practice" almost all the time, I understand, unlike "defence" and "defense" which you get wrong in the other direction)

PS When I wrote the post I wondered whether anyone would rise to the bait.

<<<< American....always practice in my experience.