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Gabriele Graves
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02-02-2009 13:46
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
I am accepted and liked there, and dammit, it feels good!!!
The OP, with these words, makes it sound that she is not and was never accepted and liked here.

In my time in the forums I have seen many examples of many people helping, supporting and encouraging the OP when she needed it. Those people have shown her every kindness and attempted to make her feel accepted. I feel it is unfair to those people to let these quoted words go unchallanged.
Sure there have been disagreements and fallings out between the OP and some people here. It is no secret that her and I too have ended up falling out over words that were said. However there has been far, far, far more support shown towards her than anything else here.

In case there is any doubt I do not count myself in that group of people and so am not seeking any self-serving needs here.

I just felt that needed to be said as the tone of the things the OP has said in this thread is very critical of those very people who have supported her.
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02-02-2009 13:52
Robin Linden is leaving
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02-02-2009 13:59
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The 'land above' Hot Martian' was where I owned my little 1024 parcel. That one owner you speak of bought a sim, elsewhere, that's why they sold the parcels. I bought mine, from him. I already owned parcels on 2 island/estates, and this was my first mainland experience. When I first bought the parcel, a big, black BDSM club opened next door to me. I waited them out and they left. Then Hot Martian came and as his walls rose, I thought, nnaaawwww I'm going. Swapped my little parcel there to the lady you mentioned who puts up big walls 'above' Hot Martian's place. She owned most of what was all around me anyway, so it was an easy swap for both of us.

I'm talking about Allana, not Whitesun. The land above Hot Martian's place in Allana is the same size as Martian's. 8072 or whatever the common 8000m parcel number is
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02-02-2009 14:00
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Robin Linden is leaving


I guess we can call that a change.
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02-02-2009 14:01
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I guess we can call that a change.

:P if not a change what is it? :)
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02-02-2009 14:07
i am first time in a forum ever.. but i saw enough now.. i have a problem and wanted to look if somebody has same thing. My acc was hacked and the hacker took all my money, whole inventury , my mainstore... and canceled my acc. Lindens say they cant give me the items back. what i do not believe. Cause this are just UUIDs vor the. they see every item... where and when it was going where ever... so i wanted to search for ppl that have had the same and was just found maaaaaaaany treads .. one looking like the other.. "Ppl that think they were hacked cause of a sl lag" ... please.. one tread is open about it.. write your szatement there.. dont open a new and a new and a new about the same shit. The system is logging you out right now!!!!! i bet this sign have seen everyone minimum one time... !!!! if sl is very evil to me.. i can see it every 15 minutes. But why start a tread for something what 50 others has already posted?

sorry for the bad english and for that .. that i will open a new tread now... to find ppl that have had same problem ..

thank you





well.. if i will find out how it works
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-02-2009 16:47
From: Gabriele Graves
The OP, with these words, makes it sound that she is not and was never accepted and liked here.

In my time in the forums I have seen many examples of many people helping, supporting and encouraging the OP when she needed it. Those people have shown her every kindness and attempted to make her feel accepted. I feel it is unfair to those people to let these quoted words go unchallanged.
Sure there have been disagreements and fallings out between the OP and some people here. It is no secret that her and I too have ended up falling out over words that were said. However there has been far, far, far more support shown towards her than anything else here.

In case there is any doubt I do not count myself in that group of people and so am not seeking any self-serving needs here.

I just felt that needed to be said as the tone of the things the OP has said in this thread is very critical of those very people who have supported her.



again people putting words where there were none

I am simply saying that for being a female in an mmorpg it is nice to be accepted and liked in a guild (which rarely seems to happen in my experience)

I have said nothing here against or about any specific person, I just wish people would stop putting words where there are none and stop trying to tell people what it is I am saying

jesus get over it, sure I made mistakes in my past and not everyone here hates me, some do some don't

but my comment had NOTHING to do with whether people here like me or not

STOP putting words where there are none, that is so damn conceited to think you know what another person is saying or thinking (and yes I am guilty of assuming I know what someone means sometimes too, so do not even bother to point out the obvious to me)


not sure why you felt the need to tell everyone what I meant by my own words, which is not what I meant at all.

maybe you should have asked me first....

GAH nothing really does ever change does it
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02-02-2009 16:48
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Robin Linden is leaving

If she really is, do you blame her?
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Gabriele Graves
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02-02-2009 17:00
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
again people putting words where there were none

I am simply saying that for being a female in an mmorpg it is nice to be accepted and liked in a guild (which rarely seems to happen in my experience)

I have said nothing here against or about any specific person, I just wish people would stop putting words where there are none and stop trying to tell people what it is I am saying

jesus get over it, sure I made mistakes in my past and not everyone here hates me, some do some don't

but my comment had NOTHING to do with whether people here like me or not

STOP putting words where there are none, that is so damn conceited to think you know what another person is saying or thinking (and yes I am guilty of assuming I know what someone means sometimes too, so do not even bother to point out the obvious to me)


not sure why you felt the need to tell everyone what I meant by my own words, which is not what I meant at all.

maybe you should have asked me first....

GAH nothing really does ever change does it
Oh FFS stop being a big baby. You wrote something and for all intents and purposes it looks like what it sounds. It is in keeping with what you have always said right here on the forums right up until you remove those posts that is.
I never said I know what you are thinking FFS, I also never said you have said anything against anyone specific - you are the one putting words in my mouth here.

If you don't like the forums and you don't like SL then you know what to do - just do it - don't make drama over it.
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02-02-2009 17:25
From: Gabriele Graves
In my time in the forums I have seen many examples of many people helping, supporting and encouraging the OP when she needed it. Those people have shown her every kindness and attempted to make her feel accepted.

shoot. any attempt to support and/or protect the OP by me was overlooked, rejected, and then skewed and twisted to be BAD instead of good. some people need constant stroking to feel welcome. that is a personal ego problem, and one that cannot be resolved in a forum.
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02-02-2009 17:29
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
If she really is, do you blame her?


It sounds like she will no longer be a Linden, but will still be in SL as "one of us", at least for awhile.
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02-02-2009 18:08
From: Brenda Connolly
It sounds like she will no longer be a Linden, but will still be in SL as "one of us", at least for awhile.


saw that on the blog, did not see it when I replied

still say can't blame her

as for the previous posts to this one....


3ring go take a flying you know what... you are the one who twisted shit around, not me

gabriele, if you can not see where you put words in my posts that were not there, I am not going to point them out to you

as for the FFS stop being a big baby
that line can be applied to A LOT of the regulars that frequent these boards, you included

none of us are above any one else (even though some think they are)

I do not seek acceptance, yes I used to, but I do not anymore

and to people like 3ring, go stroke your own ego, I knew it would not last where you just could not get a little dig in at me, hope it felt good (you NEVER tried to support me, all you did was attack me, all because I did not say thank you when you supposedly added to my rental time, time which I did not know was added, and from that you decided I was a bitch, a psycho, etc) THAT is not supporting someone, that is stabbing in the back and doing things for your own gain or glory. (at least to me that is how I saw it) IF you were supporting me, you would have believed me when I told you I had no knowledge of any time being added, and as far as I know, THAT is the only thing that ever happened between us that caused you to dislike me so vehemently

(edited to add, upon reading your post again, I know what you refer to now, the baby doll incident thing, and the only thing I saw was you siding with others, not sure where you were supporting me... oh wait you said ti was privately that you stood up to people to defend me... I find that hard to believe, being how you treated me in the past)

*shrug*

oh well, as my mom used to say, if people are not insulting you, they are doing it to someone else

better me than some poor unsuspecting noob who has no clue how spiteful, vengeful and hateful many of the people are here, makes me sad to see it

:(

so to you gabriele, why don't I leave, well the answer to that is;..


I like the forums, it is just some of the people I do not like, just as some do not like me, and some won't like you, etc....

I won't leave just to please the few that do not like me here, and I will post as many threads as I like, even if some of you do not like said threads

IF anyone questions what I mean by something I said, I would hope that they would be adult enough to PM me and ask... instead of assuming...

*shrug*

so bottom line, the forums don't suck, just some of the people do, and I won't leave, it would make some people too happy, and others sad...

and it would make me sad (at least for now, who knows what the future holds)


Edited to add *DOH*
just realized I was on my alt, no secret she is my alt, so anywho, this is obviously Rhaorth

I will try to repost this as me and delete this post
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02-02-2009 18:13
Brenda I saw that about Robin on the blog, did not see it when I replied

still say can't blame her

as for the previous posts to this one....


3ring go take a flying you know what... you are the one who twisted shit around, not me

gabriele, if you can not see where you put words in my posts that were not there, I am not going to point them out to you

as for the FFS stop being a big baby
that line can be applied to A LOT of the regulars that frequent these boards, you included

none of us are above any one else (even though some think they are)

I do not seek acceptance, yes I used to, but I do not anymore

and to people like 3ring, go stroke your own ego, I knew it would not last where you just could not get a little dig in at me, hope it felt good (you NEVER tried to support me, all you did was attack me, all because I did not say thank you when you supposedly added to my rental time, time which I did not know was added, and from that you decided I was a bitch, a psycho, etc) THAT is not supporting someone, that is stabbing in the back and doing things for your own gain or glory. (at least to me that is how I saw it) IF you were supporting me, you would have believed me when I told you I had no knowledge of any time being added, and as far as I know, THAT is the only thing that ever happened between us that caused you to dislike me so vehemently

(edited to add, upon reading your post again, I know what you refer to now, the baby doll incident thing, and the only thing I saw was you siding with others, not sure where you were supporting me... oh wait you said ti was privately that you stood up to people to defend me... I find that hard to believe, being how you treated me in the past)

*shrug*

oh well, as my mom used to say, if people are not insulting you, they are doing it to someone else

better me than some poor unsuspecting noob who has no clue how spiteful, vengeful and hateful many of the people are here, makes me sad to see it



so to you gabriele, why don't I leave, well the answer to that is;..


I like the forums, it is just some of the people I do not like, just as some do not like me, and some won't like you, etc....

I won't leave just to please the few that do not like me here, and I will post as many threads as I like, even if some of you do not like said threads

IF anyone questions what I mean by something I said, I would hope that they would be adult enough to PM me and ask... instead of assuming...

*shrug*

so bottom line, the forums don't suck, just some of the people do, and I won't leave, it would make some people too happy, and others sad...

and it would make me sad (at least for now, who knows what the future holds)
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02-02-2009 18:18
Rhaorth, what you interpret as people putting words in your mouth, or telling you what you think, is actually people trying to interpret what you write, both in the context of your overall forum presence, as well as from the post content alone. If people didn't do that, nobody would ever try to reply to you, since there could be no understanding of what you wrote.

All you would get is "tl;dr"

You seem to have no tolerance for people misunderstanding what you write, or the meaning behind it. Not such a beneficial trait, in a FORUM.
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02-02-2009 18:20
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Rhaorth, what you interpret as people putting words in your mouth, or telling you what you think, is actually people trying to interpret what you write, both in the context of your overall forum presence, as well as from the post content alone. If people didn't do that, nobody would ever try to reply to you, since there could be no understanding of what you wrote.

All you would get is "tl;dr"

You seem to have no tolerance for people misunderstanding what you write, or the meaning behind it. Not such a beneficial trait, in a FORUM.



It is not people misunderstanding, that happens all the time

it is when they post in a way that is saying....

Rhaorth means this....

and not

Rhaorth, what do you mean?

see the difference?


Edit to add
I know I am guilty of doing that as well, and I try to catch myself.

Maybe I am a stupid, psycho, bitch, with a big ego that needs to be stroked, and is paranoid for no reason... maybe people are right...
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02-02-2009 18:23
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
It is not people misunderstanding, that happens all the time

it is when they post in a way that is saying....

Rhaorth means this....

and not

Rhaorth, what do you mean?

see the difference?


That's you doing exactly what you are accusing other of doing.

Gabriele responded to what she believed you to be implying. She wasn't telling you what you said. Can you see the difference?
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02-02-2009 18:27
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That's you doing exactly what you are accusing other of doing.

Gabriele responded to what she believed you to be implying. She wasn't telling you what you said. Can you see the difference?


and I said I am guilty of it as well

I am sorry I even started this thread, if I had known it would turn this way I would not have started it, I simply wanted to see if others see the forums the same way I do

I have put in a request to have it locked... hopefully they will do so soon
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02-02-2009 18:30
From: Gabriele Graves
The OP, with these words, makes it sound that she is not and was never accepted and liked here.

here she puts a tone that is not meant to be in my posts, but she is telling others how it makes it sound, instead of asking me what I mean.

From: Gabriele Graves

I just felt that needed to be said as the tone of the things the OP has said in this thread is very critical of those very people who have supported her.


here is where I mean that she is putting words into my mouth

I never criticized anyone, no one at all, in this thread, I merely asked if others see the forums the same way I do

please point out where I am being critical of anyone here who has supported me and define supported, please
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02-02-2009 18:42
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
here she puts a tone that is not meant to be in my posts, but she is telling others how it makes it sound, instead of asking me what I mean.



here is where I mean that she is putting words into my mouth

I never criticized anyone, no one at all, in this thread, I merely asked if others see the forums the same way I do

please point out where I am being critical of anyone here who has supported me and define supported, please


No, what is happening is that she has stated that your tone suggests these things. She is not putting words in your mouth - she is stating that your words sound like a certain thing.

Have you considered the possibility that your words aren't doing a good job of reflecting what you mean?
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02-02-2009 18:53
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No, what is happening is that she has stated that your tone suggests these things. She is not putting words in your mouth - she is stating that your words sound like a certain thing.

Have you considered the possibility that your words aren't doing a good job of reflecting what you mean?


and you are now stating what she said and what she means by that

why not let her speak for herself

it is not my words, it is the opinion people have already made of me, that they inflict into the words

if the words were written by someone well liked then everyone would have been offering sympathetic hugs and telling them the forums will get better, it is just a rough spot

if they were written by a hated member, everyone would have jumped on them and flogged them

(and no before anyone even thinks I mean I am the hated person I don't, I feel I am somewhere in the middle, some hate me, some like me, some are indifferent)

ah well, time to go, carry on without me (I am sure someone will say I mean something else by this post LOL)
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02-02-2009 18:55
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
and you are now stating what she said and what she means by that

why not let her speak for herself

it is not my words, it is the opinion people have already made of me, that they inflict into the words

if the words were written by someone well liked then everyone would have been offering sympathetic hugs and telling them the forums will get better, it is just a rough spot

if they were written by a hated member, everyone would have jumped on them and flogged them

(and no before anyone even thinks I mean I am the hated person I don't, I feel I am somewhere in the middle, some hate me, some like me, some are indifferent)

ah well, time to go, carry on without me (I am sure someone will say I mean something else by this post LOL)


tl;dr

;)
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02-02-2009 19:06
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
I never criticized anyone, no one at all, in this thread, I merely asked if others see the forums the same way I do

please point out where I am being critical of anyone here who has supported me and define supported, please


From: Rhaorth Antonelli
It is either a select few bickering back and forth, a group of friends chatting about nothing, or everyone bitching about something LL did or did not do.

We get the rare question asked and then an answer then the knock the thread way off course with inane bantering, silly jokes, inside comments, and whatnot.
This pretty much covers everyone who has ever encouraged you in the Undying thread and you are criticizing them all for their behavior.

Love is right in her interpreting what I mean. If your words are unable to be interpreted by people who understand normal english especially in light of previous things you have said then the problem is not with them.

I criticized what you said and the tone of this thread - get over it. WTF do you expect when you start saying this shit?
Don't start whiny drama threads if you don't want people to tell you how they perceive you.

Its got nothing to do with how I feel about you either as I stated, it is that I feel your words sounded very ungrateful to me. That is my opinion.
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02-02-2009 20:09
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oh wait you said ti was privately

no my support was very public. and you saw it all, as did everyone else. ah, to be so willy nilly with memories must be liberating.
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02-02-2009 20:14
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
Maybe I am a stupid, psycho, bitch, with a big ego that needs to be stroked, and is paranoid for no reason... maybe people are right...


*cheese* :p
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