Do things ever change?

I have been in SL nearly 3 years, and it seems I see the same thing on these forums.

It is either a select few bickering back and forth, a group of friends chatting about nothing, or everyone bitching about something LL did or did not do.

We get the rare question asked and then an answer then the knock the thread way off course with inane bantering, silly jokes, inside comments, and whatnot.


Do things ever change here?

It is tiring to say the least.

Lately I have been noticing myself not checking in as often as I used to, sometimes there are 3 pages of threads that have the new msg icon next to them.

And when I check those threads, it is usually the first 2 instances I outlined above.

Now to keep the forum nazi's off my back, here is my question.

Has anyone else noticed how these forums never seem to change? The names might change (or not) but the actions, comments, and threads seem to be the same.

You forgot one class of post: people bitching about the content of the posts in the forum, as they don't measure up to expectations.

not bitching as much as wondering if it ever changes

one can comment without it being bitching

or is that too hard to grasp?

I knew someone would have a problem with my post, but ya know what
I don't give a damn... I am tired of all the petty crap happening in here, and was wondering if I am the only one.

Question should be "do people ever change" and untill we evolve to a higher life form, the answer is "nope"

Pep? J/K



I don't have a problem with your post. It was merely pointed out for the sake of completeness.

good point
I guess for things to change, the people who control those things need to change first.

*sigh*

Anywho... your comment definitely put a different light on it for me, here I was blaming it on SL and it's borkyness, and on the forums and the faults it has, when all along, it is the people behind it all.

pep? no all my pep is gone, sick as hell, bored silly, and was browsing the threads and noticed it was the same ol thing and wanted to see if it was just me seeing things that way

It seemed that you had an issue with it, and assumed that I was bitching, when in fact I was pondering, and asking a question.

It was not completing my post, as much as it was misinterpreting it.

(you comment implied I was bitching, when in fact people bitching about posts, actually fits into the category you quoted from my first post)

my head hurts now

RA is not the only section of the forums, and plenty of people are learning new skills in the Content Creation forums everyday.

Well, I did (and still do) perceive a value judgement embedded in your original post. "Bitching" has it's own negative connotations, so I guess I should have said, "complaining."

Indeed! RA is rather a sandbox of whatever isn't appropriate elsewhere, and is also a good place to let off steam, or keep yourself entertained when RL is particularly boring. It doesn't have to be taken so seriously. I know that these things aren't what RA is named for, but it's what it's evolved into (like it or leave it).

Edited to add: I just noticed you said you should have put "complaining" which would still be false, as I am not complaining. I am seeking to see if I am the only one who sees this forum (RA section) as a free for all on anything and everything, and if it will ever change.

you perceive what was not there and is not there

that is the worst thing about the written word, we put our own twist on it when we read it.

Think whatever you wish, my comments won't stop you, even though it is my words, and I know what I said and what I meant, you will still believe what you want.

(I guess I also forgot the class of people who love to twist others words around to make it look like something it is not, thus putting the owner of the words in a totally negative light, which was not the intent of the owner of the words)

yes I mean you!




yes I am aware of the sub forums, and even they seem quieter these days.

Maybe it stems from being here nearly 3 years... *shrug*

maybe it is because I am just sick, and tired (in RL) and sick and tired of SL lately

sadly you are correct, this is what RA (RESIDENT ANSWERS) has become....

I personally, would like to see it be moderated with a heavy hand and be what RA is supposed to be.

bring back general chat, keep RA and let it be a place to ask questions and receive answers and let the general stuff be elsewhere

If you say so. I read,



and



which put your whole post in context. If I took away the wrong intention of your post, I suggest that you worded it very poorly. And no, it's not due to the ambiguity of the written word (this time).

I agree completely. RA (as it should be) has value. But there needs to be an escape valve somewhere (because if there isn't, the stuff finds itself everywhere instead of isolated).

This forum is whatever people want it to be, I mean this is the way this forum has evolved, people want a place to talk about the general state of affairs and this has became that area, I see nothing wrong with that to be honest.

Content creation has always been cyclical as long as I have been there and weekends are always slow. Sorry you are feeling down in the dumps. Scripting Tips is what keeps me here, love helping new people learn, even though I log in to MG maybe once per month.

But lately I am in world a lot. LL may do some(maybe a lot) wrong but Blake Sea rocks! I think of it now as a National Park for the residents and I hope they continue like this. I bought 3 sailboats and have been exploring there and also Bay City which I never explored. Today I created a bubble script that reminds me of the one on The Prisoner. Nice lazy flight with it and I set off across one of the continents today. It feels great to feel like a total noob again with that magical sense of exploration.

you took it wrong and it has nothing to do with being worded poorly

how else would you describe how the threads in here go?

they fit into those categories... it is not like they are all fluff and bunnies...

I see people fighting, I see bickering, I see people pissed off and bitching about LL, I see people knocking topics way off topic one a question was answered, I see much more too

but seeing them and categorizing them doesn't mean I am bitching about them


If I were bitching I would have stated I was bitching by saying it pisses me off.

show me where I say it pisses me off...

tiring yes... pissed off no

(BIG difference between describing something and bitching about it LOL)

IF you knew me you would have known I was not bitching and you would not have posted your incorrect assumption.

I see nothing wrong with people wanting to talk about the general state of affairs, however in my observation, RA is not that place.

RA has become a huge melting pot of fighting, arguing, people generally pissed off at LL, or at one another, there are also totally nonsense threads that have nothing to do with the general state of affairs, not to mention the many threads that start off with a ray of hope and end up totally bashed.

I'm not going to bother pointed out all the words you used which have negative connotations, which coloured your original post.

You say that as if it's a bad thing!

What I mean to say is, thank god this isn't your dictatorship. I've never been a fan of people who believe they know what's best for the community. Or am I twisting your words again?

I is nice to know folks are enjoying SL, especially lately with all the crap happening.

I guess for me it is no longer the pretty shiny place it used to be... my illusion is crumbling, my desire to continue creating is dying

I find myself logging in only to work, then after my shift logging out to play other games
(I work in SL for a RL company, not an SL job per se)
just to make that part clear LOL

yes you are twisting my words again

I have no idea what is best for the community, I know only what I like

I dislike the fighting and name calling, and bitching and etc

I like seeing folks being nice, sharing good moments, helping each other etc

by the way, rather nasty thing to say, assuming I would be a dictator...
I could reply in a nasty way back to you, but I won't, as it would just add to the hatred and fighting I see in abundance...

If you really do not have anything helpful to say, or any comments pertaining to the original question... why did you post (rhetorical question by the way)

you just want to try to pick a fight with me and push me to the point where I retaliate and then you can say.... see told ya... you are just like the ones you "bitch" about, fighting and arguing.

well it won't work my dear

I do not know you from Adam, and I do not care how you see my words, what I do care about is when you try to tell me what I meant by my own words

No one tells me what I mean.

Things do change... When I started in July 2006, the Scripting Tips , Scripting Library, and Building Tips forums were active and helpful (often enough to be useful, at least), whereas now they are practically dead in comparison.

Of all the forums I've used over the years, the Second Life forums have by far the worst signal-to-noise ratio I've ever seen. I'm not counting strictly social forums, obviously, but for a community forum that is supposed to be about sharing information (building tips, texturing, scripting, etc) this one has gone quite noticeably downhill.


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I am not sure I should come on and comment here. I try and make some witty threads and even some comments. They are not always appreciated, however. But I have never hurt anyone intentionally here. If I did I would be ashamed in my real life. I would have been cruel even unintentionally to a person and that just isnt what I am.

BUT I dont think things ever change here. It kinda attracts a certain personality that enjoys pointing out mistakes and begs for an audience. We dont have an "audience" when we are IN sl itself. No opportunity to stand on a soapbox or seek election. And we dont have jobs for people who can exercise their meanness or lack of spirit - no traffic cops, no bureacrats, no one to make us stand in line.

So we get types in teh threads who are so frustrated in their reality that they simply want their "anger" to prick up its ears and NOT go back to sleep. Cruelty does occur. Verbal and mental assaults are possible in sl.

I think teh forum is a great idea. It offers a chance to debate some universal questions - not just sl points. Do men really wanna be women occasionally? How do our morals impact our lives? etc. etc. It also answers questions of practicality and many people have experienced in world that is far deeper than a Linden's. Business types can get ahead here also.

I dont frequently go to the forum clubhouse in sl (when I do its to measure myself) because of all teh rules taht are applied there - yes there are rules. No nekos lacking clothes. Treat child avis as children (which I never do), keep language clean etc. I actually dont go anywhere much. I do the galleries and stay at home with my partner. This place allows me to comment to others as I might do if I was with a group of people at a party or a dinner I am invited to to share with relative stangers. But it is interesting how forum "type" are often dinner party types. I gt into a real row with a person last week in real who was so obviously anti-semitic I went ballistic.

People do tend to compensate for the bully. There are bullies here. They can ingratiate themselves into a group, a clique or a club and from that vantage point pick on and abuse the loners or the ill-informed. Then they retreat back to the comforting cheers of teh majority. That is evident quite often. Some people are "glad" to see a poster return, others imply friendship. In that way they keep teh bully off THEIR back. Some peopel find its fun to hurt others coz we really cant fight back if we are hurt. It's easy to offend someone. To demean. Belittle, and then make a commentator who thinks they have just said something funny feel liek they must crawl in a hole.

I have a public career. I am NOT easily offended. But I do get upset when a person who really doesnt know my real self can make nasty comments about me (or my avitar, who really is ME). I am certain this goes for many many people here. I think the danger of having a slanging match in sl is teh same danger as having one on stage in front of an audience - teh audience packs up and leaves. The forum will not be read.

I wont appeal to teh person(s) who get a kick out of negative commments or goading a person and urge them to stop aggravation. Maybe they are envious because tehy perceive a certain pleasure in real life between teh lines of teh posters comments. Maybe teh poster with bad humour is really bad humoured in life and he/she just wanna hurt someone, anyone.

The forum never changes. Just teh avitars. They come and go, as no doubt I will one day. There's always a new flavour of teh month.