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Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 13:51
From: Zannah Holbrook
If emotions are no longer useful, then the enjoyment you get from sex isn't useful either.

Since sex is designed to transmit genetic material and create a new strand of combined DNA (and that's obviously not your goal), then the feelings of euphoria that climax produce are what? Something to be put aside as no longer useful.

DNA can be extracted mechanically and introduced into organic systems - thus releiving our 'evolved' selves from the visceral and animalistic throes of copulation.

If you are after the 'feelings' that are encoded down at the core of our DNA, you really cant discount things like the emotion they evoke like you have in your earlier posts.


Ah! Wrong argument! What you SHOULD be saying is "since we are agreed that emotions or feelings are the result of chemical processes in the brain, then we can also state that the 'feeling' of orgasm (as opposed to the physical orgasm that produces ejaculation) is the result of a chemical process that occurs in the brain. Orgasm is therefore unnecessary, in that 'feelings' or 'emotions' are unnecessary."
Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 13:52
From: Conan Godwin
10,000 BC wasn't that bad. Could have done with more fight scenes though.

10,000 BC sucked balls.
Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 13:52
From: Conan Godwin
No, you are wrong. I said external stimuli. How do you confuse that with feelings? An "external stimuli" means "something that happens in the world around you".

Yes I know that. I know what "external stimuli" do for me, but I have no clue what they do for you. A puppy playing makes me smile, but that doesnt necessarily give me a chemical high.
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Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 13:53
From: Oryx Tempel
Ah! Wrong argument! What you SHOULD be saying is "since we are agreed that emotions or feelings are the result of chemical processes in the brain, then we can also state that the 'feeling' of orgasm (as opposed to the physical orgasm that produces ejaculation) is the result of a chemical process that occurs in the brain. Orgasm is therefore unnecessary, in that 'feelings' or 'emotions' are unnecessary."


I assume you are talking about the female orgasm specifically. Personally, my orgasm tends to confine itself to my groin only. I have yet to experience this "feeling" you are talking about.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Colette Meiji
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04-21-2008 13:53
From: Oryx Tempel
10,000 BC sucked balls.


and didn't even have any emotion after.
Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 13:54
From: Kira Cuddihy
Yes I know that. I know what "external stimuli" do for me, but I have no clue what they do for you. A puppy playing makes me smile, but that doesnt necessarily give me a chemical high.


Yes it does. The fact that you smile proves it. THe puppy is the stimuli, a chemical is released in your brain when you see it, the chemical makes you happy, you smile.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 13:54
From: Conan Godwin
Because I am alive, and therefore may as well do something while I'm here.

/me giggles and laughs....
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Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 13:55
From: Conan Godwin
Yes it does. The fact that you smile proves it. THe puppy is the stimuli, a chemical is released in your brain when you see it, the chemical makes you happy, you smile.

So a runner gets the runners high before he starts running and that makes him run?
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Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 13:57
From: Kira Cuddihy
So a runner gets the runners high before he starts running?


Ha ha. Good one. I was sucked in right up until this post. Think of it! A troll of my many years of experience being trolled in turn. That's what I get for trying to have a serious conversation, I suppose. I guess I could stretch to feeding you one last time;

no. The running is the puppy, the stimuli. This causes chemicals that give you the high (what you insist on calling the "feeling";). Last time, I swear.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Colette Meiji
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04-21-2008 13:59
why does it make more sense to give up emotions than to keep them?

This whole "waste of biological processes" is stupid

Following your own logic in an earlier post...

Your body is there anyhow. May as well give it something to do.
Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 13:59
From: Conan Godwin
Ha ha. Good one. I was sucked in right up until this post. Think of it! A troll of my many years of experience being trolled in turn. That's what I get for trying to have a serious conversation, I suppose.

No I am not trolling you. Only trying to get you to see our side of this conversation.
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Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 13:59
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I assume you are talking about the female orgasm specifically. Personally, my orgasm tends to confine itself to my groin only. I have yet to experience this "feeling" you are talking about.

Having never had a male orgasm, I wouldn't know. Apparently it's fairly enjoyable, else why do it? If all you wanted to do was procreate, you could surgically remove your sperm, put them into a test tube, etc. Since men apparently enjoy sex, it must therefore impart some sort of nerve stimulation. Since all nerves transmit to the brain, they cause a chemical reaction, which is then translated into a "sensation." Your brain translates this into "pleasure." Obviously some people have different stimuli than others, in that "pleasure" may be caused by the receipt of bodily harm. Who knows? My point is: why have sex (and therefore an orgasm) if it's not necessary (which feelings are not.)
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04-21-2008 14:03
I think I will bang my head against the wall in the hopes of that endorphine euphoric feeling and float off in a dream. Oryx would you like to join me?
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Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 14:04
From: Kira Cuddihy
I think I will bang my head against the wall in the hopes of that endorphine euphoric feeling and float off in a dream. Oryx would you like to join me?

Nope. Got a job interview in a few minutes. It's generally considered bad form to show up high. Laterz, kids.
Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 14:04
From: Oryx Tempel
Having never had a male orgasm, I wouldn't know. Apparently it's fairly enjoyable, else why do it? If all you wanted to do was procreate, you could surgically remove your sperm, put them into a test tube, etc. Since men apparently enjoy sex, it must therefore impart some sort of nerve stimulation. Since all nerves transmit to the brain, they cause a chemical reaction, which is then translated into a "sensation." Your brain translates this into "pleasure." Obviously some people have different stimuli than others, in that "pleasure" may be caused by the receipt of bodily harm. Who knows? My point is: why have sex (and therefore an orgasm) if it's not necessary (which feelings are not.)


Why go to all the effort of sterilising a test tube and all the other paraphenalia when we come equipped with a handy sperm injection device right on our very person? Personally, I pursued casual sex to see if it was enjoyable. It wasn't. It wasn't unpleasant either. Just pointless.

I didn't pursue casual sex because I was of the belief that sex and emotion are unrelated. Quite the reverse - I believe sex and emotion are unrelated because I pursued casual sex and found that that was the case. My stance is based on experience, not wishful thinking.
I take no emotional pleasure in sex at all.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Colette Meiji
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04-21-2008 14:05
From: Oryx Tempel
Nope. Got a job interview in a few minutes. Laterz, kids.


don't be nervous , that would be some brain chemical fooling around with your biochemistry.
Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 14:05
From: Kira Cuddihy
No I am not trolling you. Only trying to get you to see our side of this conversation.


If that were true, you would not be twisting what I am saying. You keep suggesting that I have said that the high comes before the stimuli. I have never said any such thing.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 14:05
From: Oryx Tempel
Nope. Got a job interview in a few minutes. It's generally considered bad form to show up high. Laterz, kids.

Knock them dead sweetie.

Where the hell is Trout when we need him, the voice of reason. At least now and then.
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Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 14:06
From: Conan Godwin
Why go to all the effort of sterilising a test tube and all the other paraphenalia when we come equipped with a handy sperm injection device right on our very person? Personally, I pursued casual sex to see if it was enjoyable. It wasn't. It wasn't unpleasant either. Just pointless.

I didn't pursue casual sex because I was of the belief that sex and emotion are unrelated. Quite the reverse - I believe sex and emotion are unrelated because I pursued casual sex and found that that was the case. My stance is based on experience, not wishful thinking.
I take no emotional pleasure in sex at all.

Yes you do. You wanted enjoyment out of it. Enjoyment is an emotion.
Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 14:07
From: Oryx Tempel
Yes you do. You wanted enjoyment out of it. Enjoyment is an emotion.


Nope. I said I pursued it to see if it was enjoyable. It wasn't, so I stopped pursuing it.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Oryx Tempel
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04-21-2008 14:08
From: Kira Cuddihy
Knock them dead sweetie.

Dammit, where's my lucky bra????

Okay, seriously I'm outta here.
Colette Meiji
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04-21-2008 14:10
From: Conan Godwin
Nope. I said I pursued it to see if it was enjoyable. It wasn't, so I stopped pursuing it.


Your relationship partner must not want emotional fulfillment either, since you claim not to offer any.

Sounds really bland.
Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 14:11
From: Conan Godwin
If that were true, you would not be twisting what I am saying. You keep suggesting that I have said that the high comes before the stimuli. I have never said any such thing.


Originally Posted by Kira Cuddihy
Right, so emotional attachment is not just a chemical high then. The feeling brings that on.

From: Conan Godwin

No, that is the complete opposite of what I said. The "feeling" is the high. A feeling is just a sensation brought on by the presence of chemical stimulants..

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I must have misunderstood this then. It looks to me like you said the chemical stimulus comes first before the feeling. Am I wrong? I didn't twist what you said, I quoted you.
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Conan Godwin
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04-21-2008 14:11
From: Colette Meiji
Your relationship partner must not want emotional fulfillment either, since you claim not to offer any.

Sounds really bland.


Again, you misunderstand. I didn't say I don't offer any - just that I don't gain any myself. She get's everything she could possibly need and/or want.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Kira Cuddihy
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04-21-2008 14:12
From: Oryx Tempel
Dammit, where's my lucky bra????

Okay, seriously I'm outta here.

Trout has it in his parachute remember. I am checking out of here too.. that man is too confusing.
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