BDSM creators doomed eventually?

Well, that's only a theory I heard.

But maybe I would shock you if I told you I don't really consider myself only remotely attached to that lifestyle (and only in SL, anyway)?
However, I won't hide I had a lot of fun scripting for this collar and interacting with the community.

So I would say there might be lots of reasons to become attracted to those items, without being a submissive in the purest BDSM style.

(one is the access to the whole span of RLV features... but that's another story... as RLV itself still has a long way to go before people stop considering it as a BDSM only viewer...

another one is because those collars are also beautiful adornment ^^)

I just realized my definition of Gor stems from 2004 to February 2008 when I was freed, therefore may be outdated. So maybe I am wrong about now-a-days.

It could be that more of the 2006 and later generation Goreans have moved more into BDSM than say Goreans from an earlier time. I have always been with Goreans born in 2005 or earlier and have noticed a difference in many of those who came afterwards.

For example: In 2004 and 2005 - as an Elf, i was considered an exotic and often taken around for display, dancing, etc...never serving.

But since 2007: There has been a very strong Anti-non human current that flows in many of the RP Gorean sims. Lots of "Human only" signs and all that non-sense. A more literal, non-imaginative interpretation of John Normans book came to exist in SL with the newer generations of Goreans, that interpretation being: If it is not in the books, it cannot be accepted.

So it very well may be that new Goreans associate more heavily in BDSM than previous generations. But back in my day - having relationships as both a submissive in a BDSM relationship and a kajira in a Gorean relationship, there was a major difference.

I myself have definitely moved more into BDSM than i was in previous years. But i also no longer a Gorean kajira.

In fact those positions were around long before Norman put them in his book. Try reading some Desade he has girls kneeling in that and it was well before gor was thought of. All Norman did was give the poses names

I believe that SL can draw people into BDSM by other routes - most commonly, because it appears, from the outside, to be a way of making antisocial fantasies consensual.

The best case of this I saw was a girl I knew who at first hated the whole BDSM/sex scene but who wanted to play a fairy. But she wanted to be one in a situation where being a fairy made her special and significant and powerful amongst others. She eventually decided the only way to achieve this was to become a domme!

I know the influence of the Marquis De Sade on eroticism in novels, i just never ran across anything that shows the positions of:

- nadu
- she-sleen (definitely Gorean in orgins)
- bara
- tower
- karta (pretty sure this Gorean in origins too)
- Sula
- Sula Ki
- Submission

I haven't read much De Sade, but i have never run across these particular positions described.

The first time i saw a slave in SL, i went ballistic. I could not believe this woman was calling this guy Master. I was totally stunned and repulsed. So i decided to get to know them and maybe talk some sense into (Cinde Fate). Wow was i wrong....and converted...and never happier.

Briana Im glad you took the time to get to know them, pity more dont ( and some of these claim to be in BDSM) I am often told to run to leave this man who forces me to stay with him. Well he has " forced" me to stay with him for 2 yrs now and boy have i loved every moment of it

Ya...Most do not realize and will argue against the concept that submission is freedom.

I was clueless about the appeal of BDSM when I started SL also. I recall an old friend talking about her "master" and I couldn't help but think she was a bit crazy. Fast forward to the present and I find myself with a wonderul lady of my own who has my collar around her neck. I couldn't cherish her more.

I think my interest grew organically, out of all th exposure I had in SL. There were little things that kept perking my curiosity, making me explore deeper and deeper. Now when I walk around shopping with my princess on the leash, I sometimes think back to how I reacted to such a sight in the past. I feel as though I've grown and my perspective on many things has broadened. I'm not longer as judgemental or ignorant. SL's cosmopolitan envirionment has been a tremendous boon for me.

YAY! Way to go Vance! Great post.

Exposure and an open mind will definitely allow things to make a difference in your life if you allow it.

The real reason why SL made such quick changes to adult content

For Immediate Release
May 5, 2008
Kirk, Parents and Police: Delete Online Predators

Four-million-strong Second Life site offers “rape rooms” – easy access to children

Kirk: “FTC should investigate the growing vulnerability of children to predators on Second Life”

Mount Prospect, Ill. – U.S. Representative Mark Kirk today joined with local parents, teachers and law enforcement to call for federal action to protect kids from child predators and registered sex offenders on “Second Life” and other social networking Web sites. Congressman Kirk was joined by Mount Prospect Mayor Irvana Wilks, Mount Prospect Police Chief John Dahlberg, Mount Prospect Officer Dirk Ollech and 10th district parents and teachers Janet Joy and Bonnie Graham of Arlington Heights.

“During the past five years, social networking Web sites like MySpace, Facebook and Second Life exploded in popularity,” Congressman Kirk said. “As more kids flock to these sites, we’ve seen a corresponding increase of online sexual predators targeting children. According to a U.S. Department of Justice survey, one-in-five kids have been sexually solicited online. As new technologies develop, more disturbing revelations unfold. Sites like Second Life offer no protections to keep kids from virtual ‘rape rooms,’ brothels and drug stores. If sites like Second Life won’t protect kids from obviously inappropriate content, the Congress will.”

To raise parent awareness of these growing threats, Congressman Kirk sent a letter today to the chairman of the Federal Trade Commission requesting a consumer alert warning about the dangers of Second Life. On the site, kids create an online persona called an “avatar,” and interact with the program’s more than four million users. While Second Life claims to prevent children under the age of 13 from accessing the site, there are no age verification features built into the registration process. Second Life’s own lawyers admit that its “teen area” may have adults prowling and the adult area may have children present. Outside of the pre-approved “teen area” are countless locations where users engage in virtual prostitution, drug use and other wholly inappropriate activities. Drug dealers and predators routinely attempt to contact users in the real world once a meeting happens in Second Life.

According to I-Safe America, nearly one-third of kids have chatted with strangers on the Internet, and 12 percent have met online strangers in person. Social networking Web sites are often the entryway for predators to build trust with a kid online, preparing for an eventual “in-person” meeting.

With more than 150 million registered users on MySpace.com alone, children’s detailed personal information – last name, address, phone number, school, schedule and photograph – can be easily accessed by sexual predators. Last year, the Illinois Attorney General discovered nearly 850 registered sex offenders in Illinois who use Myspace.com.

Congressman Kirk also detailed his legislation to help parents play a larger role in the safety of their kids. He introduced the bipartisan Deleting Online Predators Act, which passed in the House in 2006 by an overwhelming vote of 410-15, but did not see Senate action. The bill currently has 91 bipartisan cosponsors.

The Deleting Online Predators Act requires schools to prevent children from accessing social networking Web sites and chat rooms like MySpace unless they are doing so for a legitimate educational purpose and are under adult supervision. It also requires public libraries to prevent children from accessing these Web sites unless they have the permission of a parent.

The Predator’s Act also requires that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) in 90 days:
• Create a Web site with a distinctive Uniform Resource Locator to educate parents, teachers, school officials and others regarding the dangers on the Internet to child users. This Web site would include information about commercial networking sites like MySpace and chat rooms.
• Issue consumer alerts to parents, teachers, school officials and others regarding the potential dangers of Internet child predators and their ability to contact children through commercial networking sites like MySpace and chat rooms.

The Predator’s Act requires that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC):
• Establish an advisory board to review and report commercial social networking sites like MySpace.com and chat rooms that allow sexual predators easy access to personal information of, and contact with, children.

At the press conference, officers with the Mount Prospect Police Department detailed their work to fight child predators in the suburbs. Mount Prospect was home to one of the first online child exploitation crimes. More than 10 years ago, a sixth-grade boy was lured by an adult man posing as a child on the Internet. The Florida-based predator convinced the child to board a bus for a rendezvous. Quick action by the police department and the FBI prevented the child from reaching the criminal.

Demonstrating the risks in MySpace, Mount Prospect police officers created a fictional profile of a 15-year-old Mount Prospect girl. A 29-year-old man sent the fake girl a message, calling her “adorable” and asked to get to know her better. An individual also encouraged her to prostitute herself by sending her a message about a companionship service in Elk Grove.

A copy of Congressman Kirk’s letter to the FTC and the Predators Act legislation are below. Screengrabs of inappropriate Second Life locations and MySpace predator messages are available upon request.

May 5, 2008



William E. Kovacic
Chairman
Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20580

Dear Chairman Kovacic:

I write to share my concern regarding the increasingly popular virtual reality webspace, Second Life, which contains explicit content that can be easily accessed by minors.

Second Life and its owner, Linden Lab of San Francisco, has no controls in place to prevent minors from creating an account, giving minors access to pornographic and explicit material for no charge. Second Life claims to prevent children under the age of 13 from accessing the site, but there are no age verification features built into the registration process. Although many of the program’s features require a credit card, there are many areas in which sexually explicit content is free and readily available.

Using the search tool, minors have the ability to teleport to locations where there are brothels, rape rooms, sex clubs and bondage stores. The images and language in these parts of Second Life are graphic and inappropriate for children.

Not only does Second Life contain explicit material but it also can pose as a “virtual hunting ground” for pedophiles to prey on young children using the anonymity of the Internet. Second Life has over four million users across the world. Reports of sexual assaults and kidnappings linked to the Internet are growing. According to the Justice Department, one in five kids have been sexually solicited online. I-Safe America estimates nearly one-third of kids have chatted with strangers on the Internet and 12 percent have met online strangers in person.

In 2006, Representative Frank Wolf and I wrote to your predecessor asking her to issue a consumer alert warning parents of the dangers social networking Web sites pose to children. Then-Chairman Majoras acted quickly to increase awareness of this threat among parents. I urge you, on behalf of the Commission, to take action to warn parents of the similar dangers and sexually explicit content found on Second Life. If Second Life is unwilling to protect minor children from explicit material on their Web site, it is imperative that we warn parents of the danger Second Life represents so they can effectively monitor their children’s Internet usage.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Mark Kirk

Member of Congress


H. R. 1120


To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to require recipients of universal service support for schools and libraries to protect minors from commercial social networking websites and chat rooms.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 16, 2007

Mr. KIRK (for himself, Mr. MATHESON, Mrs. BIGGERT, Ms. GRANGER, Mr. ROGERS of Michigan, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. FOSSELLA, Mr. KUHL of New York, Mr. DAVIS of Kentucky, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. MCKEON, Mr. GERLACH, and Mr. ROSKAM) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce
________________________________________
A BILL
To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to require recipients of universal service support for schools and libraries to protect minors from commercial social networking websites and chat rooms.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Deleting Online Predators Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.
The Congress finds that--
(1) sexual predators approach minors on the Internet using chat rooms and social networking websites, and, according to the United States Attorney General, one in five children has been approached sexually on the Internet;
(2) sexual predators can use these chat rooms and websites to locate, learn about, befriend, and eventually prey on children by engaging them in sexually explicit conversations, asking for photographs, and attempting to lure children into a face to face meeting; and
(3) with the explosive growth of trendy chat rooms and social networking websites, it is becoming more and more difficult to monitor and protect minors from those with devious intentions, particularly when children are away from parental supervision.

SEC. 3. CERTIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE PROTECTIONS AGAINST COMMERCIAL SOCIAL NETWORKING WEBSITES AND CHAT ROOMS.
(a) Certification by Schools- Section 254(5)(B) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 254(5)(B)) is amended by striking clause (i) and inserting the following:
`(i) is enforcing a policy of Internet safety for minors that includes monitoring the online activities of minors and the operation of a technology protection measure with respect to any of its computers with Internet access that--
`(I) protects against access through such computers to visual depictions that are--
`(aa) obscene;
`(bb) child pornography; or
`(cc) harmful to minors; and
`(II) protects against access to a commercial social networking website or chat room unless used for an educational purpose with adult supervision; and'.

(b) Certification by Libraries- Section 254(6)(B) of such Act (47 U.S.C. 254(6)(B)) is amended by striking clause (i) and inserting the following:
`(i) is enforcing a policy of Internet safety that includes the operation of a technology protection measure with respect to any of its computers with Internet access that--
`(I) protects against access through such computers to visual depictions that are--
`(aa) obscene;
`(bb) child pornography; or
`(cc) harmful to minors; and
`(II) protects against access by minors without parental authorization to a commercial social networking website or chat room, and informs parents that sexual predators can use these websites and chat rooms to prey on children; and'.

(c) Definitions- Section 254(7) is amended by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
`(J) COMMERCIAL SOCIAL NETWORKING WEBSITES; CHAT ROOMS- Within 120 days after the date of enactment of the Deleting Online Predators Act of 2007, the Commission shall by rule define the terms `social networking website' and `chat room' for purposes of this subsection. In determining the definition of a social networking website, the Commission shall take into consideration the extent to which a website--
`(i) is offered by a commercial entity;
`(ii) permits registered users to create an on-line profile that includes detailed personal information;
`(iii) permits registered users to create an on-line journal and share such a journal with other users;
`(iv) elicits highly-personalized information from users; and
`(v) enables communication among users.'.

(d) Disabling During Adult or Educational Use- Section 254(5)(D) of such Act is amended--
(1) by inserting `OR EDUCATIONAL' after `DURING ADULT' in the heading; and
(2) by inserting before the period at the end the following: `or during use by an adult or by minors with adult supervision to enable access for educational purposes pursuant to subparagraph (B)(i)(II)'.

SEC. 4. FTC CONSUMER ALERT ON INTERNET DANGERS TO CHILDREN.
(a) Information Regarding Child Predators and the Internet- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Federal Trade Commission shall--
(1) issue a consumer alert regarding the potential dangers to children of Internet child predators, including the potential danger of commercial social networking websites and chat rooms through which personal information about child users of such websites may be accessed by child predators; and
(2) establish a website to serve as a resource for information for parents, teachers and school administrators, and others regarding the potential dangers posed by the use of the Internet by children, including information about commercial social networking websites and chat rooms through which personal information about child users of such websites may be accessed by child predators.

(b) Commercial Social Networking Websites- For purposes of the requirements under subsection (a), the terms `commercial social networking website' and `chat room' have the meanings given such terms pursuant to section 254(7)(J) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 254(7)(J)), as amended by this Act.



http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/il10_kirk/Kirk_Parents_and_Police_Delete_Online_Predators.html

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/11/congress-awaits-ftc-report-explicit-content-virtual-worlds

http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2009/05/ftc-reporting-to-congress-on-virtual-worlds-kids-and-explicit-content.html

And there was me thinking this was a thread about BDSM Adult Content banishment....ho hummm.

This is also a great advert for those that didn't even know a good freebie collar was on the market...they do now...bad move.....

An alternative definition is Bondage, Discipline, Submission, Domination and many enjoying the lifestyle get confused with the Sado Masochists but each to their own. Agreed a newbie might get the impression it is over represented but its SL where people can and should live out the fantasies often not feasible in RL. I quickly discovered i wanted more out of SL than kneeling in silks and reading the Gor handbook.....

What amazes me is the posts that seem to forget the fact that this isn't REAL..its a computer game, a fantasy...unfortunately set up so that people could (past tense intended) actually make a living at it, however without this aspect there would be no motivation for the content creators.

Many involved in adult content must be putting planned manwoman hours on hold now until the outcome of AO/AC is known. Time and effort spend on scripting and animating an object that people expect for next to nothing and may now not be found just isn't worth it.

I'm sure if LL could wind the clock back they would of set up 2 worlds...one for cerebral uses, families, educators and commerce ....the other for pure escapist fun for grown ups in all its guises (ignoring the fact that the wonderous content has evolved from this latter...a slap in the face we are currently experiencing )

Freebies and L$99 cherrywood pirate beds have hurt the sexbed market leaders. Yes they put in all the work on scripts, animations, sound etc but high prices are beyond the 'hobby' level of the average gamer especially now casino camping revenue has gone. We all have to move with the times and pockets of our customers. Too often i get requests for full perms beds from those oblivious to creating anims, modifying scripts, lining up masses of poses broadband straining running 2 computers. Freebie providers of collars or other animated items should bear this in mind.

What does amaze me is how many people want their SL to be a copy of a RL Sears catalogue...no 'imagination'...and to the person wish listing changeable bedding and pillows...they are there to be found

oops during composition the threads moved on...

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If Second Life is unwilling to protect minor children from explicit material on their Web site, it is imperative that we warn parents of the danger Second Life represents so they can effectively monitor their children’s Internet usage.

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PARENTS SHOULD MONITOR THEIR KIDS...dont use the computer as a child minder....hey but why is this??? why dont parents set their kids free into the big wide world to go play in the park where the real dangers are?

in a way i can admire a kid that manages to get into SL and navigate quickly to free rape rooms....takes many adults over a week to escape the orientation centres.....

What about a pure desire to create, to show off, or to give back to the community?

None of this junk requires the sort of response LL is making.

Indeed, the ability to make money from SL was retrofitted later in development, as a response to the percieved unfairness of having to pay (tier) in order to contribute to the world.

"precieved" is the appropriate qualifier.
If people start to feel an entitlement to be rewarded for what started as a labour of love, they have lost the run of themselves.
If the L$ was introduced mainly as a way of facilitating great content creators to be rewarded by the audience rather than the government, then it's a shame that it also facilitated things like ad-farming, land-flipping, and a bunch of other non-creative non-giving ways of screwing a few bucks.




As an aside:
Why do I misread the thread title as "BDSM creators dommed eventually?"

Many content creators by nature are qualified/career computing experts (talking scripting, scultping CAD etc..) they know the value of their time...but then if they created nothing but free content we are back into golden goose territory. Just saying once money can be made from something all bets are off so to speak...

The L$ always existed, but at first was strictly a play-money currency that couldn't be exchanged for real money. Instead of paying tier, you had to pay to rez objects! (L$10 per prim!)

Exchange of L$ for real money was originally a resident-run feature introduced in response to tier. When I joined in 2005, the "buy L$" link asked you which resident site you wanted to buy from.

And get the box off our heads.

Reminds me of our slogan "Submission set free!".
(And the guy stating earlier in this thread that OpenCollar was an oxymoron couldn't be more wrong! It is actually only a paradox )

It's been said that money is the root of all evil. It's also possibly the single greatest invention ever. The concept that little metal disks, or pieces of paper, or patterns stored on a magnetic disk, of little or no value in themselves, can be used to "keep score" of who's made what, who's used what, establish the relative worth of an ear of corn or a diamond tiara or an hour of a person's time...this is a staggering achievement.

The basic rules of the modern system of money were worked out in the 17th century or so, and facilitated the growth of international trade.

In my opinion, the invention of the $L, and its evolution into a working microcurrency, is LL's greatest achievement. Any future virtual world that doesn't have a monetary system is (again, IMO) doomed to be second rate, regardless of what other features it may have.

mmyess but i think we should get back on the pixelgold standard.....Linflation ya know....

Oh I agree.

My post was more to do with contrasting a possible high ideals for it and the reality of the less wonderful aspects of human nature.

For someone noew to SL and to keep from wasting my time on these items and those like it, what is considered the premeir collars and controll devices, I like to pay fr my items as it open up communication between the buyer and builder.

Ferghus Goldshark