BDSM creators doomed eventually?

"They're just good, decent, honest, hardworkin' folks. The salt of the Earth. You know...morons."

SL does offer more, but BDSM is very much in your face when compared to RL.

You can go to a sex store in RL and BDSM might have a little section in the corner. You can visit a pornsite and BDSM will have a little section devoted to it. This is normal and healthy. It's representational of the numbers that practice it.

You come to SL and it's like WTF!

You go on the forums and people are discussing BDSM like it's the f'ing weather.

Hello?

You go on the forums and people are discussing BDSM like it's the f'ing weather.

No, you changed your tune from your original post. I guess when you realised the rest of the legion of decency (all 2 or 3 in SL ) wasn't going to swoop in and help you denounce the 'deviants' and you ended up twisting in the wind as the solo crank posting to the thread, you moderated your tone from the original post (backpeddling like mad) with 'clarifications' as an image-saver.

If SL becomes too adult oriented, I will leave. HOWEVER I will not cheerlead the pushing of others into 'SL Shadows' as you put it. I support their right to exist

There is a high-pressure system coming in from the west, that will give us golden showers over the weekend.

Ease up, folks - Five isn't advocating censorship. It is fair to make the observation that BDSM appears ... APPEARS ... to be overrepresented in SL. I've heard of it, and I believe most "normal" people get off on a little light bondage, but the lifestyle stuff that involves ball gags and anything more creative than a riding crop... not "normal" in first life.

Sadly, this apparent overrepresentation leads people to believe that SL is some den of iniquity. Well, it is, but outside the confines of what is "normal," which is why it's only businesses are being relegated to Ursula/Pornadelphia, and the private dungeons and such are supposedly untouched.

That is so true.

Unless you are just changing your tune so as not to alienate yourself.

I am not saying Five is doing that.

I can't remember the figure offhand but something like 20% of women in the UK like to be spanked. That's well and truly in the B&D of BDSM.

I'm SUPERBOY!.

I bet the percentage is higher here in the Colonies.

Agreed it is always a good thing to consider alternate points and change viewpoint, though most people do it gradually over time and don't change it that FAST unless they are doing some serious image-saving. Perhaps he's a politician?

What I don't want to see is SL become a hangout *solely* for sexual deviants. It should have more to offer.

That will never happen. It would have never happened without the new adult changes. SL is to open ended and varied for any one group to absorb the rest. The only way it could be skewed completely one way or another is if LL enforces change.

EDIT: and if you're rallying against a disproportionate representation versus RL, well, SL is full of that in all sorts of areas. More furries, vampires, short skirts... less business casual wear. More beautiful people (on the outside).

Maybe a little knowledge of SL history helps when making such claims. Two words: Stroker Serpentine.

And when you say "Welcome to how things work". You contradict this statement:



If Ford started making FREE CARS, it would KILL the rest of the car industry, even though people would still buy from the other car companies because of special items, quality, service.

I do not think you can even name 5 or 6 "sex bed systems", as i would like to see that done.

I can name 3 primary sex bed systems starting with the first to exist in SL and moving on down to the free dominating systems. If there are 5 or 6 they are definitely not on any radar because MLP dominates it.

How can you compete with it? MLP gave people a vector into the sex bed market that the majority would never have been able to get into without paying tens of man hours for a scripting system that rivaled the leader.

Claiming: "Open collar is no more of an impact in the grand scheme than the free MLP beds were." Just shows a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to the market economy of SL.

I think that eternal freebies of too high a quality are damaging SL. Extremely limited free editions (like, for 4 hours only) and very rare group gifts is a better way to use freebies from a marketing perspective without ruining the market by creating a sense of entitlement.

I don't participate in this culture, in fact being around it makes my skin crawl, but I feel you are 100% wrong, Five. They have a right to be what they want and do what they want in SL and RL. In fact, they have been here since the BEGINNING of SL...why should they go because Joe and Jane Sixpack 'discovered' SL and want it to reflect their lowbrow, nothing different, no diversity RL? If the term barely existed for you prior to SL, you lead a sheltered life...and to be frank, I see no reason for LL to cater to the 'disney' element. Let the thumpers and moralists either stay in the current PG (or new G) sims and leave the rest of us mature enough to handle diversity without 'covering our eyes in horror and moral outrage' alone.

I think that eternal freebies of too high a quality are damaging SL. Extremely limited free editions (like, for 4 hours only) and very rare group gifts is a better way to use freebies from a marketing perspective without ruining the market by creating a sense of entitlement.

Can you expand you what you mean by "sense of entitlement?" .

Can you expand you what you mean by "sense of entitlement?" The only sense of entitlement I can see in the forums is creators who feel entitled to having their particular markets protected in some way, presumably because they have sunk a lot of time and effort into their business and/or rely on their business income.

Some folks expect to get everything in SL for free. They wouldn't dream of buying a single linden to get something that someone made. And some are ballsy enough to rail at some content creators if the freebie is not quite what they expected. I have not had that happen to me, but I've seen where some people give creators grief over a free item. It was free. If you don't like it, there is always the trash.

Some folks expect to get everything in SL for free. They wouldn't dream of buying a single linden to get something that someone made.

And some are ballsy enough to rail at some content creators if the freebie is not quite what they expected. I have not had that happen to me, but I've seen where some people give creators grief over a free item. It was free. If you don't like it, there is always the trash.

"I've got some cool boots for free, why should I pay for your boots?" - Mr Freebie Lover.

Well, it's a good question. If your boots aren't notably better, then why *should* anyone pay for them?

Do you feel entitled to my purchase for some reason?

Yep, it's a very good question. and that's the problem. All the content creators will leave because they can no longer sell anything because Mr Freebie Lover can't justify paying for similar stuff that he's got for free. Understandably!

Such is the nature of a free market. Compete or die!

I sympathize with anyone who can't compete with free. But that's the nature of SL, and the risk you take engaging a business here.

Yep, it's a very good question. and that's the problem. All the content creators will leave because they can no longer sell anything because Mr Freebie Lover can't justify paying for similar stuff that he's got for free. Understandably!



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