BDSM creators doomed eventually?

Cristalle, what i am referring to is that, before MLP there was no vector into the sex bed industry. It was dominated by SexGen.

When MLP came along - it gave EVERYONE who had access to animations a pathway into the sex bed industry where before one did not exist. And that severely impacted the business of SexGen because that market went from no competition to competitors crawling out of the wood work. This severely impacted SexGen and completely opened the market leading to his saturated sex bed industry that exist right now.

EVERYONE can produce a bed now if they have access to animations. Prior to MLP, this was not possible.

This is true, it did open up the door for more competition. But at the same time, getting legit full perm animations is a costly endeavor for most, creating a high barrier for entry. It's only because of ripped off animations like the ones in the beds that got borked up last year in the DMCA debacle why it makes an impact on the business.

Deviant does well, so does the brand run by Corsi Moushold (can't rember the name off the top of my head), and there are some others as well.

And as someone pointed out it's not just the menu system, but the animations and the bed itself are the main points. But mostly price, a person is not going to spend 30k on a bed when a comparable product costs 5k

The nice thing about Open Source devices is that when the script limits do come in, people can strip out the modules that they never use in order to reduce the load. That takes some scripting knowledge, but not as much as building something from scratch.

Anyone buying closed source devices is dependant on the suppliers' decisions on the best way to reduce script memory. The odds are that suppliers would try for a one-size-fits-all, and reduce the functionality across all feature areas.

Yes, that is a big barrier...a HUGE barrier.

After this thread, I do think that freebies are damaging SL however.

Maybe that is fodder for another thread.

Deviant is not a commercial system. It is exclusive.

MLP & Xpose are commercial.

Edit to Add: Even if Rhian/Deviant did make her system commercially available, it would not compete against a free, high quality system like MLP. Because her system would have a barrier of entry, and that is the cost. Not to mention, I use both MLP and Deviant stuff almost daily, and the Deviant system is no where near as good as MLP and lacks some basic features that MLP has. It IS a good system for a private system, but given the choice between any private system used now and MLP, MLP is the best choice, for now. And it is free. So it is impossible for someone like myself to make a new SexBed system that could compete commercially unless we went really above and beyond what is being done now and right now the project I had to make a new SexBed animation system has hit a coding barrier. So good luck to anyone that tries to get into that market.

I think that eternal freebies of too high a quality are damaging SL. Extremely limited free editions (like, for 4 hours only) and very rare group gifts is a better way to use freebies from a marketing perspective without ruining the market by creating a sense of entitlement.

I don't participate in this culture, in fact being around it makes my skin crawl, but I feel you are 100% wrong, Five. They have a right to be what they want and do what they want in SL and RL. In fact, they have been here since the BEGINNING of SL...why should they go because Joe and Jane Sixpack 'discovered' SL and want it to reflect their lowbrow, nothing different, no diversity RL? If the term barely existed for you prior to SL, you lead a sheltered life...and to be frank, I see no reason for LL to cater to the 'disney' element. Let the thumpers and moralists either stay in the current PG (or new G) sims and leave the rest of us mature enough to handle diversity without 'covering our eyes in horror and moral outrage' alone.

Spot on. (well, except for that skin crawling bit which i don't get...but hey the rest was great )

Normal - narrowminded, conformist, lacking in diversity, monocultural, moralistic, with a strong desire to force others that don't fit the definition into conforming to it.

xpose is actually the next-gen mlp. mlp 2.0 i suppose. in any case, xpose is not open source. its a system that creators can integrate that includes both a license and a key.
xpose itself is faring well against mlp due to an advanced featureset, such as more available pb's, rezzebles, and so on.

I have nothing against BDSM, Maklin. and it doesn't make my skin crawl. Maybe you need to get out more.

What I don't want to see is SL become a hangout *solely* for sexual deviants. It should have more to offer. But I am happy to see deviants have a presence in SL.

I think you jumped on your self-righteous soapbox too eagerly, you big superhero you.

Maybe there's a bad villain for you to bash in the next thread. Go get him, Tiger!.

Bad experiences with it here, long ago (the gorean variant) that left a strong, negative impression to this day. I just don't care to see it, so I avoid the places where it happens or leave when someone comes in on a leash. But I will defend their rights in SL, live and let live...if they're having fun, who am I to judge them or tell them what they can and can't do in their own areas?

Tolerance is the key to all things...unfortunately, the bulk of society doesn't seem to grasp tolerance and is best summed up by a line from Blazing Saddles "They're just good, decent, honest, hardworkin' folks. The salt of the Earth. You know...morons."

No, you changed your tune from your original post. I guess when you realised the rest of the legion of decency (all 2 or 3 in SL ) wasn't going to swoop in and help you denounce the 'deviants' and you ended up twisting in the wind as the solo crank posting to the thread, you moderated your tone from the original post (backpeddling like mad) with 'clarifications' as an image-saver.

If SL becomes too adult oriented, I will leave. HOWEVER I will not cheerlead the pushing of others into 'SL Shadows' as you put it. I support their right to exist

LOL!

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SL ISN'T a hangout solely for sexual deviants. It does offer more. problem is, a lot of the people who make this accusation, not you necessarily, employ tunnel vision and pre determination when looking at it. The people writing these stories that the average person believes have alrady decided what SL is, and they don't bother taking the time to find out what the rest is. And LL is also guilty of doing nothing to show SL's positives to the public. I guess the Chinese Fire Drill they have launched recenty is their wildly overreactive way of remedying that.

It's not a bad thing for 5's opinion to move or change some, it's actually a sign of an open mind if anything.

That is so true.

Unless you are just changing your tune so as not to alienate yourself.

I am not saying Five is doing that.

Yep, I should've put a 'solely' after 'hangout' in my first post. My bad.

I just pick up on the point about animations. I dont have a sex bed but I do have a chimera (two actually for different scenes) and a lot of dance animations in each. The dance animations I buy more than any others are the more expensive ones because they are the best in what they do, at least in my opinion. Yet I keep buying more because after a while is kinda boring to go through the same steps over and over.

I think this maybe true of sex bed animations as well after a while. So I think if I ever did have a sexbed then I would like it to be easy to use and change the animations as my chimera. No notecards or stuff like that and somehow like my chimera it just lets me animate myself and anyone one else on my chimera in whatever way I choose. Maybe there are beds that work like this already but I think is more about the animations and my ability to keep buying and adding more of them.

Maybe as well I can change the sheets, pillow cases and blankets on my bed simply by dropping into the bed a texture pack that I can buy separately later on and not be stuck with the originals forever.

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Just on freebies and how they can be used to make sales.

I was hunting for a yellow halter top the other day and I came across a really nice outfit with a scuplty hoodie and sculpty belt and a really clever single prim flexi-skirt that the standard skirt should be, but isnt. There was also a pair of matching boots as well. All for 200L. And I went hmm! thats pretty cheap for a complete outfit so I open up the Buy and the boots were clearly named as freebie boots and the rest of the outfit was marked by the designer as hers. And I thought lady you are one smart cookie. I buy the outfit and I really like it. And the freebie boots go perfectly with the designer outfit, and are full-perm as their creator intended them to be.

"Vanilla" man makes his avie a Vulcan and zips over to a Star Trek sim. Pops into a holodeck and has a romantic date and rough play sex with his Klingon g/f (cause thats how they roll) and loves the rp. Goes out looking for new gauntlets for his Klingon love and sees a chick leashed at the feet of a man and say "You sick twisted f***s".

Its all perception.

It is ok Five.

Say 10 Hail Mary's and you are good to go.

We've had that here before. The Vampire who basically ran all RPers and kinksters down, claiming she was "living a lifestyle" so she was different.

SL does offer more, but BDSM is very much in your face when compared to RL.

You can go to a sex store in RL and BDSM might have a little section in the corner. You can visit a pornsite and BDSM will have a little section devoted to it. This is normal and healthy. It's representational of the numbers that practice it.

You come to SL and it's like WTF!

You go on the forums and people are discussing BDSM like it's the f'ing weather.

Hello?