Ummm, Dakota, if Mari offers to give you an exclusive private viewing of the completed build... you know, hush-hush, don't tell your friends where you're going, etc.... think carefully about that part where you have to put on the blindfold.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
Kah-EE-mee
Join date: 30 Nov 2006
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06-07-2008 12:07
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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06-08-2008 20:56
Yay! Mari's build for SL5B is done!!! ...right? Jes about. Waitin' on a part my brother is doin' f'r it  Mari _____________________
 "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
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06-10-2008 15:04
Jes about. Waitin' on a part my brother is doin' f'r it Mari Pictures or it didn't happen! You can send them to me in-world, if ya don't want anyone else to see 'em yet. |
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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06-12-2008 06:43
Got word this morning that my sandcastle has been approved! Yay!
Exhibit Title: Youthful Creativity and Roleplay Description: Many residents roleplay as avatars who are younger than their real selves, to escape real-world concerns and be free to enjoy innocent passtimes, while being accepted as members of younger generations. The exhibit would be a small castle with a moat and a working drawbridge... The entry wall of the castle would be realistic, and there would be a few “pop-gun cannons” out front, aimed at the castle, to symbolize real-world concerns, like finances, jobs, school… The cannons, when ‘fired’, would have a small flag pop out of the muzzle, with the name of that “worry” on it. Fun stuff inside, like pics of SL kids doing g-rated things. Not just "kids" also, but young adult avatars too. (Grandma enjoying being in her 20's again...) If any SL kids out there have nice photos of kid avatars doing fun, g-rated thinsg in SL, please feel free to submit them to me so I can display them! _____________________
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sacha Magne
Bratty Kitsune Boy
Join date: 20 Aug 2007
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kids5b approved
06-12-2008 06:52
We will have a small booth at SL5B with a link to our 2 sims.
More to come soon and thanks all for all the "noise" made about that communication mess ! Sacha _____________________
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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06-12-2008 07:01
Pictures or it didn't happen! Done, an done. http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=282941 Mari (Who hopes the topper is done tonight, but guesses it won't be til this weekend) _____________________
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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Meanwhile...
06-12-2008 07:05
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stonebender/2572283783/
Looks like there's still issues with kids at SL5B. :-/ _____________________
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Steely Carver
The dreamer or the dream?
Join date: 10 Nov 2007
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06-12-2008 08:09
You know, I really don’t care if I get labeled, called out or blasted for this, its something I have thought about for a long time now. I think if anyone is burying their heads in the sand its people who wish to depict themselves as children, very small children at that, on the adult grid – a very not so innocent place, strife with sex, violence and very adult themes (as well as normality) - its people who wish to create a tolerance for those of us who do not ever want that line in the sand crossed. People who are trying to force other people who work so hard to protect actual real children in the real world wish us to turn a blind eye and become desensitized to the presence of children, small children portrayed by grownups who often talk like toddlers, to think its just fine and dandy little kids are running around in a very adult world – the main adult grid. Its offensive to many people and I for one really do not understand why you can’t see or understand this. I am not a republican, but I do and have given my life over to protecting the innocent and childhood as it should be because it really does take a village, and I honestly feel child avatars make a mockery of this. Its not funny, not at all. Why can’t you understand that it isn’t about excluding children, its about not ever allowing anyone or anything to cross that line in the sand. The offense of seeing what many of us try so hard to protect, real children in places they should not be. We try to separate children every day from places they shouldn’t be, things they shouldn’t see, things they should not be involved with, and you wish us to now tolerate this by pretending to be five years old, to turn our backs on core values. Why can you not see that this strikes as hard and sharp as a knife at the very core of what values we have? Why would you not want us to have these values, why would you want us to compromise what many of us have fought and regaled against, given up our real lives for in the real world to protect? You people who pretend to be children, do you take your five and six year olds to places where there are going to be very adult themes? If you don’t, why not? Would you let your five and six year olds join second life? How come? Sure I understand that you are just pretending, but it doesn’t make it any easier to become desensitized to what you are doing, it’s a gut reaction. When I walk into a pool hall in the real world, where adults play, curse, carry on, drink and act out and I see some child there I honestly want to hurl, that isn’t a place for children. When I go to the store and its 2am and I see some person dragging their small child along so they can buy beer or whatever I just do not understand. What the hell is wrong with people? Have we all lost our damn minds? Yes I teach my child about the adult world, but I never took her to clubs, places where people are dressed provocatively, drank, cursed, had sexual themes, violence, etc. Why the hell should I accept this tolerance from Second Life? You can’t tell me for one second that you don’t encounter the adult culture, and if you do, great, but why do you expect us, who often do, to not flinch when we see (adults depicted as) little kids in this same world? Please for the love of all things beautiful why do you need to pretend to be a small child in a very adult world? Feel free to explain it to me because I do not understand at all. And I really don’t care who this pisses off, if you don’t want to see where I and many others are coming from, if you want us to pretend its ok, but it’s not. It’s not ok for small children to be exposed to very adult themes; you cannot ever make me believe that is. So explain to me why you think it is perfectly acceptable even in your pretend world where very real people do very real business whom are not pretending? Why should I become desensitized to adults pretending to be children? Would or should I tolerate this in the real world? This isn’t about lifestyle choices, its about depicted children, why is that so hard to understand? Children in the real world don’t get to chose their lifestyle, its chosen for them by adults, adults who should be protecting them as they cannot protect themselves. Why is it so hard to understand that anything that offends that notion is something that some of us want to avoid at all costs everywhere we go? Yes I am ranting, its been pent up for over a year now. I just don’t understand why some people can’t understand where I and many others like me who are too afraid to speak up are coming from. I just wish some people could understand that many people are extremely passionate about keeping that line firmly in the sand, keeping children as they are, protected and innocent for as long as possible, at least until they are ready. Pretending to be a small child in a very adult world makes a complete mockery of this core value. Yes, it is frightening to some of us, because we want to protect children, but we can’t protect you, we don’t need to, but the visual and auditory representation of what you are doing is so utterly confusing it makes one…angry and seem like a damn lunatic. *mumbles to herself as she stumbles off in search of medication… Your post is bombastic and self-important. Like so many people you are so sure that your sense of right, wrong and morality is correct and anyone who doesn't agree with you must be base, crude, immoral and evil. Anyone using a child avatar must somehow be connected with paedophilia. There are evil child molesters everywhere. The sky is falling. I, personally, am tired of of the PC/Moral Majority crowd passing laws and making knee-jerk judgments about everything based on emotion rather than thought. Any time you begin to lose an argument you start screaming, "We're doing it to protect the children. Won't anyone think of the children." We have age verification to prevent children from playing here. All the people in SL are adults. No children are being abused. People with child avatars are simply promoting their inner-child (an excellent therapy btw) and there aren't nearly as many sexual predators in the world as the media would like you to think. God save me from the righteous man! (or woman) |
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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06-12-2008 08:17
People with child avatars are simply promoting their inner-child (an excellent therapy btw) and there aren't nearly as many sexual predators in the world as the media would like you to think. Great post. I wanted to add dat I s'pect the media attention probaby *makes* more of those people, amongst other things. Self-fulfilling prophecy or someting. _____________________
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Kaimi Kyomoon
Kah-EE-mee
Join date: 30 Nov 2006
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06-12-2008 08:25
I'm not a child and neither is my avatar. I'm just not interested in any of the sex related stuff that goes on in SL. And I have only rarely stumbled upon it and not had any trouble leaving immediately. I'm fine with the fact that it goes on and with the fact that in other parts of the grid adults are having the virtual childhoods they want.
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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06-12-2008 08:25
I fear many who have no idea what being a child in SL is about strike out blindly. As one poster said previously at the end of the rant that they needed their meds... I say great idea, you apparently need meds
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Lias Leandros
mainlander
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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06-12-2008 08:33
If you do not want child-avatar bashing then you should not bash people that are opposed to them. Nectere shared his opinion with the posters here. To be accepted/tolerated in a global commmunity you cannot stone the people that do not agree with your lifestyle.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
Kah-EE-mee
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06-12-2008 08:40
If you do not want child-avatar bashing then you should not bash people that are opposed to them. Nectere shared his opinion with the posters here. To be accepted/tolerated in a global commmunity you cannot stone the people that do not agree with your lifestyle. _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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06-12-2008 08:40
If you do not want child-avatar bashing then you should not bash people that are opposed to them. Nectere shared his opinion with the posters here. To be accepted/tolerated in a global commmunity you cannot stone the people that do not agree with your lifestyle. Oh dear.... Lias, Nectere gave one opion I gave another. They didnt agree but they also didnt call a forum cop _____________________
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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06-12-2008 08:43
If you do not want child-avatar bashing then you should not bash people that are opposed to them. Nectere shared his opinion with the posters here. To be accepted/tolerated in a global commmunity you cannot stone the people that do not agree with your lifestyle. The way I look at it, we're all entitled to our opinion. I hear plenty of "bashing." I don't tend to bach back very often, because I dun expect anyone to be obligated to accept my presence. It's a big grid an all. Meanwhile, I note again: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=282941 _____________________
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Tristin Mikazuki
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
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06-12-2008 08:45
something new has been changed lol kinda looks like sl5b is still gona be lame
http://jacek.meratalk.com/2008/06/11/the-meddling-eye-in-hand/ also an update on http://www.massively.com/2008/06/11/sls-fifth-anniversary-epic/ _____________________
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Lias Leandros
mainlander
Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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06-12-2008 08:48
Oh dear.... Lias, Nectere gave one opion I gave another. They didnt agree but they also didnt call a forum cop I felt this was a little rude I say great idea, you apparently need meds The forum cop comment was also a little rude. But maybe I misunderstood it. _____________________
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Steely Carver
The dreamer or the dream?
Join date: 10 Nov 2007
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06-12-2008 08:49
If you do not want child-avatar bashing then you should not bash people that are opposed to them. Nectere shared his opinion with the posters here. To be accepted/tolerated in a global commmunity you cannot stone the people that do not agree with your lifestyle. It's not my lifestyle. I am sensitive to injustice. It is not just to point fingers at others claiming that their ways are wrong and immoral when that is not the case. It is not just to use logical fallacies to prove a point that does not exist. The slippery-slope fallacy was used here to claim that being a child avatar leads one to children running rampant in smoky bars and sex room, will desensitize the adults playing child avatars which will translate into child abuse in real life. It is the poorest kind of drivel vomited from the media every day because sensationalism sells advertising space. I also have the right to blast anyone who signs on to start blasting innocent people with their idiotic drivel. I as well have a right to my opinion and will say whatever I please. |
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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06-12-2008 08:56
something new has been changed lol kinda looks like sl5b is still gona be lame http://jacek.meratalk.com/2008/06/11/the-meddling-eye-in-hand/ also an update on http://www.massively.com/2008/06/11/sls-fifth-anniversary-epic/ Much more involved than the link I had. Thanks. _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
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06-12-2008 09:10
I might add if not said numerous times elsewhere and i am sure here as well- Child Avatars are not allowed in Mature areas- so - why the stress?
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Lias Leandros
mainlander
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06-12-2008 09:11
It's not my lifestyle. I am sensitive to injustice. It is not just to point fingers at others claiming that their ways are wrong and immoral when that is not the case. It is not just to use logical fallacies to prove a point that does not exist. The slippery-slope fallacy was used here to claim that being a child avatar leads one to children running rampant in smoky bars and sex room, will desensitize the adults playing child avatars which will translate into child abuse in real life. It is the poorest kind of drivel vomited from the media every day because sensationalism sells advertising space. I also have the right to blast anyone who signs on to start blasting innocent people with their idiotic drivel. I as well have a right to my opinion and will say whatever I please. _____________________
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Tristin Mikazuki
Sarah Palin ROCKS!
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
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06-12-2008 09:11
Does anyone have a few sims so the residents can do thier own sl5b? cause this one I think is gona suck....
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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06-12-2008 09:13
I might add if not said numerous times elsewhere and i am sure here as well- Child Avatars are not allowed in Mature areas- so - why the stress? Um, no. Mature sims are open to all avatars (depending, of course, on the whim of the owners of the plot(s) in question). I own two plots in mature sims (my home and my Bay City plot). This does not mean said avvies are using their plots for mature purposes. Mari _____________________
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Curtis Dresler
Registered User
Join date: 6 Apr 2008
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Starting keeping the marketing blurbs
06-12-2008 09:14
As someone that does a lot of HR and legal related stuff in conjunction with my main job as a company controller/CFO, I think that this or something like it will end up as a challenge between TOS and public gathering issues in a discrimination determination. Front and center will be the marketing materials and claims made by the service provider, whether it (as is likely in my opinion) Second Life/Linden Labs or some other similar successor IF and when LL folds. At some point and in some jurisdiction TOS will not be enough and LL will either be forced to move beyond enforcing 'right relations' between avatars and promolgate a SL-wide anti-discrimination set of rules that reflect RL strictions, or they clamp down on use to where SL implodes.
Quite simply, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever, based on what comes across my RL desk regularly, that someone can bring action against LL for having an event hosted (by anyone) in an open area that discriminates against avatars' participation based solely on their appearance and not on any objective community standards criteria. If I were LL, I would pull my HR person, my lawyer, and whoever (if anyone) that has a generalist view of SL, and make the rules now, rather than when the ACLU lawyer joins the group as a monitor. And I am just as firmly convinced that LL will simply not apply sound business decisions to this and will let some group pull them into bad publicity, bad press and expensive legal fees. Have to shake my head - there is such a disconnect between what happens in SL and RL and LL acts like there will never be a collision. They are wrong. All it takes is on branch of the ACLU or one lawyer that wants lots of free RL publicity. |
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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06-12-2008 09:14
Does anyone have a few sims so the residents can do thier own sl5b? cause this one I think is gona suck.... Dusty is far to much into drama The Kids5B *is* gonna rock. You should see the sims for it. Amazing work. _____________________
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