SL5B - No Kid Avatars, please!
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FD Spark
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06-03-2008 12:01
From: Rebecca Proudhon
That SL is a Porn environment, is the issue. A porn environment full of people into porn, maybe the most casual Sl users, and the connection with people role playing children and having sex, is the issue. That there is a group of people who enjoy role playing children even non-sexually, is going to make people concerned.
Not everyone is here for porn nor is it a part of their imagination or reality.... I don't get these blanket statements. Wasn't there a poll here recently where the close to half of those who responded never had sex here and have no desire to do so?
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Lindal Kidd
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06-03-2008 12:09
This whole mass paranoia about child avatars drives me crazy.
A few weeks ago, I got dragged a little ways into it. Here's what happened.
When I was first planning to buy a good sized chunk of land, I created a group. Not being overly inspired, and because the whole group was just me and my alts, I named it after myself, "Kiddees".
When my partners and I bought Lebettu as a rental venture, I offered the group to be the community group...all of us partners would be members, and later on, so would our residents. So the land was purchased and deeded to the Kiddees group.
Fast forward to a few weeks ago. I get an IM from one of my residents.
"Is there any way to hide the Kiddees group in my Profile?" I told her how to do that.
Later, I realized the most likely reason she would want to...she was afraid that someone would think she was part of some child porn ring or something.
For pity's sake...my last name is Kidd...it was invented by Linden Lab, and practically shoved onto me during the registration process. Maybe I should join Trout and petition LL for a change in surname.
Or better yet, put on a cute child av and go hang out at SL5B.
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Meade Paravane
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06-03-2008 12:13
From: Lindal Kidd For pity's sake...my last name is Kidd...it was invented by Linden Lab, and practically shoved onto me during the registration process. .. I had always assumed it was a pirate thing. So.. Uh.. You're a child pirate? That's bit weird but I've seen worse, Lindal.
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FD Spark
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06-03-2008 12:16
I just went and reviewed the last 2 weeks or so of LL blogs and not one place did I see any Linden say kids weren't welcome.
In fact in one of the blogs Marianne is encouraged to send in her pictures from last years even from a Linden.
Very interesting.
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Marianne McCann
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06-03-2008 12:26
From: FD Spark I just went and reviewed the last 2 weeks or so of LL blogs and not one place did I see any Linden say kids weren't welcome.
In fact in one of the blogs Marianne is encouraged to send in her pictures from last years even from a Linden.
Very interesting. Much of the "action" was not on the blog, so much as in-world and in blog comment, particularly at massively.com Mari (Those LindenWorld Lobby piccies in my Snapzilla photostream didn't appear all by themselves)
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Marianne McCann
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06-03-2008 12:33
Note these comments in the official blog, on the recent blog post. From: someone
8 Marianne McCann Says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Carefully worded, a day late… I win the pool!
Seriously, though: while it means everyone can apply, does this also mean that — barring mature content concerns and other obvious content issues (copyright, etc.), that any group could sumbit a build celebrating their part of Second Life?
And the followup From: someone
20 everettlinden Says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 PM
@1, @8, @17: anyone means anyone, as long as it’s accordance with PG standards.
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Ann Launay
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06-03-2008 12:51
I seriously don't think that blog post means anything. They already said child avs could attend and they still have plenty of leeway to reject anything they want, for any reason, including it 'not being best for the company at this time' or whatever it was they said previously about not letting the SL Children exhibit.
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FD Spark
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06-03-2008 12:59
Oh Ok excuse me I didn't see where the secret links were and some I tried to read and couldn't get them to work.
All the blogs in official blog stated everyone was welcome as long as it was PG....
for some reason I truly feel stupid like I got sucked into some one else's drama based
on something either a lie or only certain people were able to read.
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Lindal Kidd
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06-03-2008 13:44
From: Meade Paravane I had always assumed it was a pirate thing. So.. Uh.. You're a child pirate? That's bit weird but I've seen worse, Lindal. Tiggy, dear, I'm "Cap'n Kidd" if I'm sailing my yacht. And I own a sexy pirate costume that I bought for Talk Like A Pirate Day. Other than that, it was just the luck of the draw during registration. I don't own a child av, but I'm considering getting one for this SL5B thing...
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-03-2008 13:49
From: FD Spark Oh Ok excuse me I didn't see where the secret links were and some I tried to read and couldn't get them to work.
All the blogs in official blog stated everyone was welcome as long as it was PG....
for some reason I truly feel stupid like I got sucked into some one else's drama based
on something either a lie or only certain people were able to read. Everett Linden explicitly stated in comments on a Massively post, after a few people had said that they had been told this in-world, that child avs would have their applications rejected, and also that the sims would now all be PG, which they weren't in the initial planning stages (see the first proposals on Signpostmarv's planning site) and weren't last year. You won't get any of this from the Official Blog of course - "we have always been at war with Eurasia".
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Solomon Devoix
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06-03-2008 13:52
I am soooo tempted to make a "have a glass of Linden Kool-Aid" t-shirt for the birthday party...
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From: Jake Black I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. From: Solomon Devoix That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry...
...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-03-2008 13:56
From: Ann Launay I seriously don't think that blog post means anything. They already said child avs could attend and they still have plenty of leeway to reject anything they want, for any reason, including it 'not being best for the company at this time' or whatever it was they said previously about not letting the SL Children exhibit. This is what I am worried about. It says that child avatars _can_ submit builds - but they could already, LL had just let it be known that their builds would be rejected. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to say "oh we're not banning child av builds any more" on the official blog, as that would imply that they banned them in the first place, which they did but they won't want to to admit to or publicise. But some inworld confirmation would be good - like a child av group successfully getting a plot confirmed.
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Marianne McCann
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06-03-2008 14:02
From: Ordinal Malaprop This is what I am worried about. It says that child avatars _can_ submit builds - but they could already, LL had just let it be known that their builds would be rejected. As soon as I hear of one being approved, you *know* I'll be here inna flash. Mari
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-03-2008 14:04
From: Marianne McCann As soon as I hear of one being approved, you *know* I'll be here inna flash.
Mari That would be the key for me. I am sure that proposals are already winging their way to the Lindens, decorated no doubt with sticky coloured stars and gel pen art. (Actually I still do this. Though not _normally_ on applications.)
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Marianne McCann
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06-03-2008 14:07
From: Ordinal Malaprop That would be the key for me. I am sure that proposals are already winging their way to the Lindens, decorated no doubt with sticky coloured stars and gel pen art.
(Actually I still do this. Though not _normally_ on applications.) I also prefer crayons, as well as cardboard cut-outs held on with Elmer's glue. I know of some who are submitting applications. I was also encouraged to resubmit (though I may not have to -- it is unclear if they will just use the previous submission or not). Mari (A slingshot, Misses Malaprop. Jes picture it! Why, I'll put breakable windows into my Bay City parcel jes for 'em!)
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FD Spark
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06-03-2008 14:16
Ponder crayon flower and chairs in my doodle garden thanks for the idea...
Or even better yet whole entire outfit and avatar made with crayons like I did when I was real kid. Although I don't think I will submit it if I do it may not be enough time to do that and nap too in time.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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06-03-2008 14:58
By "rejected", perhaps you mean "respectfully declined"?  From: Ordinal Malaprop Everett Linden explicitly stated in comments on a Massively post, after a few people had said that they had been told this in-world, that child avs would have their applications rejected
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Ordinal Malaprop
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06-03-2008 16:13
From: Marianne McCann (A slingshot, Misses Malaprop. Jes picture it! Why, I'll put breakable windows into my Bay City parcel jes for 'em!) Actually, you know, I started work on a slingshot. It works, but I am not happy with the elastic - I can't get it to look right, and I am thinking that it might simply be better not there at all, imagination being better than unpredictable particle streams. However, the thing does happily shoot ink pellets and cherry bombs at the moment with appropriate animations and such.
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Sling Trebuchet
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06-03-2008 16:26
From: Ordinal Malaprop This is what I am worried about. It says that child avatars _can_ submit builds - but they could already, LL had just let it be known that their builds would be rejected.
I wouldn't necessarily expect them to say "oh we're not banning child av builds any more" on the official blog, as that would imply that they banned them in the first place, which they did but they won't want to to admit to or publicise. But some inworld confirmation would be good - like a child av group successfully getting a plot confirmed. It's very cheering really. This long-standing LL-Resident communication problem is nearly solved. LL have assigned a communicator. Now all they have left to do is the minor task of setting clear policies and decisions that the communicator can communicate. I'll bet that the communicator is looking forward to that at least as much as everyone of us is.
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Marianne McCann
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06-03-2008 16:53
From: Ordinal Malaprop Actually, you know, I started work on a slingshot. It works, but I am not happy with the elastic - I can't get it to look right, and I am thinking that it might simply be better not there at all, imagination being better than unpredictable particle streams. However, the thing does happily shoot ink pellets and cherry bombs at the moment with appropriate animations and such. Ya, I would figure the elastic would be the hard part. I was considering prim properties, but I do sometimes over think things. Ink pellets and cherry bombs? Oh, maaaan. I'm so gonna hafta avoid every boy inworld this Summer. Mari
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Dakota Tebaldi
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06-03-2008 17:24
OK, I'm confused. Has anything actually changed? The signals are a little mixed, you guys...
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MortVent Charron
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06-03-2008 17:26
From: Dakota Tebaldi OK, I'm confused. Has anything actually changed? The signals are a little mixed, you guys... Well they said that they could be submitted. But that was never in doubt, they were told they would all be declined. This post just says they can submit, not that any wouldn't be outright declined rather than given a shot at being accepted.
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Solomon Devoix
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06-03-2008 18:15
Everett has said in the blog "there will be no automatic anything". But, in true Linden fashion, he has yet to say that either
(a) His statement on Massively in null and void or
(b) Provide a simple yes or no answer.
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From: Jake Black I dont know what the actual answer is.. I just know LLs response was at best...flaccid. From: Solomon Devoix That's a very good way to put it, and now I know why we still haven't seen the promised blog entry...
...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.
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Annabelle Babii
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06-03-2008 18:20
From: Solomon Devoix Everett has said in the blog "there will be no automatic anything". But, in true Linden fashion, he has yet to say that either
(a) His statement on Massively in null and void or
(b) Provide a simple yes or no answer. It looks like he definitely said that child builds would be welcomed if PG. I get the feeling we won. /me giggles I did say "we". Little Anna is kyoooooooot!
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Dekka Raymaker
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06-03-2008 18:31
I posted one word on the blog and this happens, totally unbelievable!
"# 103 Dekka Raymaker Says: *Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Please don't submit your comment more than once.*
June 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 PM
whitewash
They are moderating a one word post, the word being 'whitewash'?
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