SL5B - No Kid Avatars, please!

So I know we can't gamble an all... but...

How much ya wanna bet they dun get around to posting the "monday clarification," or who figgures it will not clarify anything, but just restate the same things already known, in a more unclear fashion?

Mari

It wouldn't be LL without it.

If there was utterly overwhelming support for not participating, to the point of unanimity, then there would be a legitimacy question.

But as it is, even a majority viewpoint doesn't define Caledon - those with a minority viewpoint have rights too, and I would not deny them participation on the basis of 'what most people think.'

To stretch an analogy, it would be like pulling out of the United Nations because Iran is there, and is run by a very, very bad man.

We are most certainly *not* going to do a serial run of "Caledon won't be attending SL__ due to cause _________ not being taken care of, and we fear pressure from resident group ________ so we are going to tuck our tails and hide" and simply carrying on like that year after year.

If anyone feels they can rally several hundred resident citizens to change my mind on the point, feel free: the right to protest and free speech is allowed in Caledon.

Hm, I was composing a lengthy reply involving an inordinate number of clauses, but really this is something more suited for a different discussion (Caledon-specific or not) - I would not wish to detract from the central point of this thread. Think of the children! et cie.

They can refuse, or if they do want to proceed, they can switch their av.

You miss my point.

If a kid av is propositioned where there are witnesses, if they don't AR the propositioner - But one of the witnesses does - they could end up banned as "participating".

Thats one of the issues

that seems unlikely.

If Ordinal foreswears the inordinate, surely I can follow suit.

(I do rather like "Think of teh childrenz" as a free t-shirt for SL5B. And perhaps a waistcoat version on a bold Scots Highland plaid. )

Agreed... (=_=)

I've been through that myself with someone around a pretty public crowd. My way of handling was to spin his requests and make him come out looking like a total idiot. He finally realized the corner he had painted himself into and TPed out. None of us bothered to AR him. (^_^)

Heh, maybe that's why I don't get harassed much. I'm just too dangerous to deal with in open chat. One of my favorite weapons is mental anguish. (^_^)y

Yeah, I was struggling to wrap up as minutes ticked down also, I just spent about an hour in the car between this post and the last.

I've said plenty enough; carry on, everybody. I'm sure this issue will burn bright, well, at least until the next major social issue.

*cough* likelythetypicalfridaythread *cough*

And of course because the lindens are ignoring this issue (except Alexa who apparently can't do anything except bug the G-Team) people are getting desperate and resorting to disrupting the JIRA to prove some point of useless point beyond the point that has already been made quite clearly by the outpouring of support by both JIRA voters and commentors here. I don't see how LL can ignore this many people.

Bureaucracy

It's the best defense against having to do something

Hide behind enough layers and you never even hear of the issues affecting your company

More or less likely than the scenario Yumi has described?

Additionally we have seen threads on this forum of people who feel they should report Avs for simply BEING in a Mature area. Not actually doing anything.


Personally I think kid avatars should not be banned unless caught in the act of pixel sex by a Linden.

While I agree with the concept of LL being able to ban sexual Ageplay - I am leery of all systems of "proof' in an electronic world that really amount to only hearsay.

The proof is the screenshot taken by the abuse report tool, it can not be accessed or altered by the user.

It also triggers a time stamp so they can look at all logs relating to that period on the servers.

The Lindens could use logs and require photo evidence (which still can be faked) and such to reduce malicious and false AR's however that would actually take work to verify each AR against the logs and a better system to handle AR's in general however the G-Team seems to like the status quo since they can still cash their paychecks while cherry picking which AR's to actually investigate and whether false or true take action on.

I still think this presents the problem of telling apart a short AV from a kid AV, Or whether or not its sex occurring in the screen-shot, but in the case that you are correct ----

I still think it should only apply to being caught "in the act"

Not such things as showing up at a Mature themed area, etc.


Removing all content advertising Sexual Ageplay / closing venues /etc makes perfect sense of course.

Yeah I think the system is closer to how you describe it than how Mort does.

From descriptions of how the system really works over the years, enforcement is VERY sporadic for all sorts of offenses in SL.

From people whose punishment was in far excess to what it should of been.

to people whose persistent rule breaking gets completely ignored.


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I just would rather they always erred in the favor of not banning unless they have something concrete - rather than the alternative.

Take a snapshot with the abuse report tool. It takes the entire window showing your chat if you have communicate open.

but most importantly you can not change or edit the screen capture in any way shape or form because the tool takes it, and it does include the name and group titles.

It's hard to make the call when the logs show nothing, or there is no screenshot.

It's also hard to know what is going on if the person filing doesn't include information in the report.

One reason I dislike voice is there are no log files that can be used.

That actually sounds like a selling feature.

Back onto the original subject - what would be a good way to involve children in the birthday celebration? If they can't contribute their own build, can they contribute by being a part of another build? If LL hates children so much, maybe we could have a build where a bunch of children sit around crying hysterically while we show a slideshow featuring Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny being graphically murdered. Stabbing, burning, blood everywhere, Santa hysterically begging for his life while the Easter bunny twitches in the corner, back twisted at an odd angle, blood spewing from his nose in desperate gasps.

That would be pretty traumatic. But it wouldn't be a build featuring the things children do in SL - it would be a build designed to hurt them. LL should appreciate that - it might drive a few out of SL, or at least convince them to grow up, get adult avatars and turn their lives into something productive, like sexual deviance and running virtual banking concerns.

I have a better one. Let's make a build where we load child avatars into cannons and shoot them into the teen grid. Or we can have adult orientation classes where we teach them how to move the sliders over until they are 7 feet tall and have MASSIVE boobs. Then they'll be ok, right? Maybe we can teach them to orbit people, cage people, or be verbally abusive to everyone they meet. They'll fit right in with the adult avatars.

I just hate this decision so much it's ridiculous. I don't care who has displays at the "celebration". You won't see me there as long as LL is singling out one of the nicest, most peaceful, rule abiding groups in SL and treating them like they are the criminals instead of the victims.

For good or ill.


I got personal reasons why this topic and voice are sore spots with me...

I think some other group that already has a slot should have a kid themed build.

"Nocest"...that's a curious freudian slip with a ring to it.

I think Linden Lab should just come clean on this issue, and instead of giving us the "we respectully decline" load of crap, give us the actual reasons why it was decided that a good number of residents in good standing are denied the opportunity to participate in the building process for an event that belongs to them every bit as much as it belongs to the rest of us. I have stood behind them on a great number of issues and resulting decisions, but this one just simply does not make any sense. It is wise to abstain from even the appearance of evil, but I see absolutely no evil to abstain from in this case. Very poor judgement call.

Hmm, a misspell of nicest is a Freudian slip?

Guess it's like a ink print, you see what you want or is on your mind in it.