My short lived ban from Second Life.

Oh for pete's sake. I have only gotten to page five of this.

But the Lindens have just basically taken hundreds of dollars from residents (thousands for some) and some people are hung up on the "F*** LL" as if that is the important thing. Not the loss of money already spent, not the ridiculous overreaction in terms of the suspension - but the f word. (Which I have heard on network TV!)

It's good that Sara got her account back, because believe me, it is not good to suspend customers for three days on the basis of one f word directed at LL, the company. It's overkill, overshoot, overeverything, and isn't good for LL or for its customers.

They fixed it, and that's good, too.

But all this sanctimonious crap I'm hearing in the first five pages here - well, HEY. I don't use the f word much myself, and that only when I'm really mad and in "safe" circumstances, which, people can attest, is about maybe two or three times a year.

That doesn't make me so much more holier-than-thou than people who use colorful language more frequently, especially when facing large financial losses. And it doesn't make anyone ELSE in this thread who are more like me such hot stuff, either. Who next to me would probably look like degenerates anyhow.

coco

Jealousy is a b****.

If know Vamp personally, you know what kind of person they are. You needn't worry that there is someone lurking in your life camouflaging this kind of bile in friendship. Vamp will turn out to be someone who barely registers on your radar.

I'm guessing, whoever their friend is that is close to you, thinks a great deal of you. Perhaps even more than they do of Vamp. Vamp probably thinks a lot of this person and wants their respect. This is his/her opportunity to snipe at you without revealing themselves to that person as the petulant little girl he/she is.

That's my read. Though I could be wrong.

I think you hit the nail on the head Musetta so I should stop giving it so much thought.

And Coco just pawned us all so I'm going to head for bed and stop thinking about this until morning at least.

uh yeah the courts are just jammed with disputes against virtual world developers.

way to doge my deconstruction of your silly analogy though.

hey i thought you said you werent holier than thou?

who knew.

God the douche just keeps coming out more and more since your not speaking for your self you alt coward.

I haven't attempted to belittle you. I said that you deserved it. After that, because you think it's just fine to be foul-mouthed in public, I equated you to a vulgar person. If you feel belittled by it, it must be because you recognise yourself in it.

As for me trying to prove that I'm "somehow above them", I haven't said anything about me, except that I use that language sometimes, but not in public. If that makes you think that I'm somehow above you, you're free to think it. According to my observations, it merely makes me one of the vast majority of people who also choose to be sensitive to those around them.

Btw, kindly inform the children in the SLU playground that I don't think I own this forum, and that having a discussion in a thread is perfectly normal. Thank you.

Wonderful. It's good to know that I have such an effect on certain typed of people

If you don't know who I am, how come you say I'm a big reason why people stay away from here? I'll help you out a bit - the clue is in the name

The sad thing is that people won't just tell LL to "F-----------off" all at once. What in the world do they expect people to say with a ridiculous increase like that---are they nuts? They are already a total rip off and completly inept company run by pathetic nerds (nerd with a small n)

Doesn't matter though, they're done---they will just try to wriggle as much blood out of their dead, broken, thing to take their Golden Primchute

If you have money in this cobweb, get out while you can.

There's a huge difference between supporting a friend and agreeing with them that it's ok for them to do whatever it is that's bad, because it's a friend.

An opinion is an opinion. You can fool yourself, and some others, with your view about an alt, but you cannot escape the opinions of people, just because you don't know who they are. Anonymity is a red herring - the views are as valid as anyone else's.

It seems to me that the level of drama surrounding this incident is simply because Sarah thought she was above all that suspension stuff, when she isn't, and that she doesn't even accept that she did anything wrong.

Then perhaps in future you will think twice before doing something that might get you suspended or banned. Perhaps you've learned the lesson that none of what you wrote gives you the right to do what you did. You are simply not important to LL or to SL - no individual is. Perhaps you've realised that now.

Are you trying to get in the last word?

Because you won't

Because Sarah didn't do anything wrong here. LL (the company) deserved it for the way they handled this OS news. LL removed her suspension when they came to their senses.

And Sarah seriously rocks! Seriously.

...mostly your doing (here, anyway)? This is really important to you, isn't it?

Nope. I went to bed and many pages of posts were made through my night, some of which I thought were worth a reply.

Oh but she did.

Nope - not even that. The level of drama came about when Sarah created two threads and a blog post about it, directing people to the blog post as though it was important or newsworthy. It mattered to Sarah, but not to anyone else. Sarah turned it inot a drama.

What happened to Sarah isn't, but I do have strong views about public profanity, and have had for a long time.

Strange, isn't it. The vast majority of people everywhere are not profane in public, because they are sensitive to those around them, but a few are. And I'm the bad guy because I think that people should be sensitive to the people around them - just like most people are. Strange, isn't it?


There are two issues here. One is whether or not profanity is acceptable everywhere, as long as there are only adults around, and the other is whether or not the suspension was a correct response.

Some posters here, including Sarah, answer the first one very well, by claiming that it was only adults who saw it and, therefore, the profanity was acceptable. But it is not acceptable everywhere. It is not acceptable in front of children, for instance, but why isn't it acceptable in front of them? Think about that, and you'll realise that it's not acceptable everywhere, even when only adults are around. Apart from that, it is well-known that some people find it offensive, which is why most people don't do it for all to hear. But some people choose to ignore other people's sensitivities, which speaks about the nature of those people.

The other issue is a lesser one. Some think the suspension was justified and others don't. That's all there is to it. It's no big deal. Personally, I think it's as justified as ejecting someone from a restaurant for profanity, but that's just my opinion.

I worked all sorts of customer service jobs in my teens and 20s, from waitressing to retail management, and not ONE of those jobs allowed you to immediately kick someone out for cursing. The first step was always a warning...something like, "I'm sorry, but if you continue to use that sort of language, I won't be able to help you and I may have to ask you to leave. Please calm down." And, unless the person was threatening in some way, they'd probably get a second and even third warning before actually being asked to leave. The Linden silently monitoring Concierge chat could reasonably have delivered such a warning, either to Sarah privately or to the group as a whole, but the immediate 3-day suspension was serious overkill.

Well...to be fair, some people find sanctimonious prattling to be offensive too.

And LL thinks the suspension wasn't appropriate...they overturned it! That right there should be the "nuff said" moment.

I beg to differ. One LL person thought it was overkill and overturned it, but another one LL person thought it was justified. So far, it's 50-50. But, as I said, whether or not the suspension was justified is a matter of opinion. It's no big deal. It's the other issue that's been discussed mostly in this thread.

Nope...last in wins.

Linden one: You're banned!
Linden two: Sorry...you're unbanned.

Linden two wins!

hehe. The last one did win in terms of the result, simply for being the last one to act on it, but the opinions are 50-50.

Oh...I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a vote...

Let me rephrase:

Lurker workerbee Linden: You're Banned!
Manager Linden: Sorry....you're unbanned.

Manager Linden wins!

Make more sense now Phillo?

Now you're making things up. What manager would that be? I think I've read every post in this thread and I haven't seen that any manager was involved. The LL views that are known about are 50-50.