My short lived ban from Second Life.

i feel so rejected.

You know....aren't there more important things to be discussing right now than whether Phil's a jerk, or Sarah over-reacted, or whether some Linden did, or which forum is better?

I understand we're all frustrated, but give me a freaking break. I'm sick to death of all the arguing!!!!

QFT
and Quite Fucking True.

Once again LL shoots itself in the foot (actually, it's more like it capped itself in its own ass). Why? 1.) Because it still does not understand that it offers a service. 2.) It has no clue about customer service. 3.) It does not understand the importance of Key Opinion Leaders in this community.

Whether you like it or whatever, the fact is Sarah Nerd is an icon in the community. Lots of people admire her entrepreneurial drive and the success she has forged here. (I do.) Banning said icon was just plain stupid on LL's part. It should have ignored the comment and moved on. When it didn't and tried to fix its mistake, it didn't go nearly far enough. Now we have one very angry and vocal KOL, eight pages of divisive, childish posts that keep this issue at the top of the thread list, plus postings on other forums (I believe).

LL really, really (really) needs to hire people knowledgeable in public relations disaster recovery. And avoidance.

I can't say how/if this blunder will change other people's opinions about LL. But it certainly has solidified mine.

Regards,
Rocky

i know honeybear. i mean, there's that whole hot dog incident that has yet to be addressed.

Can't remember the names, but certainly one person did in the last few pages - very specifically, and plenty of people have been arguing that it's ok to be profane in public as long as it's just adults. I think they qualify too.

There are two issues in this thread. All the stuff about profanity, adults, etc. (most of the posts) is about what she said. The other issue is about the action taken. I already said that the action a matter of opinion, and there is no right or wrong about that. Some people have one opinion, and some people have another opinion. End of story.

I think you may be injecting your imagination into it. I stated at the start that Sarah got what she deserved. That's my opinion, but I haven't argued about it. It's just my opinion.

I *always* make such friends when I get involved in a thread here

Of course SL would be the poorer for it.

If it helps, consider this in an additive fashion. Would you consider SL not the poorer because one person who helped build it (such as the individual I was talking about) left? Or if three people who helped build it and publicize it left? Or if twenty passionate SL fans got disgusted and left? Or 2,000?

At what point would you concede that SL was the poorer for it?

The difference between you and me, I think, is you think no individual is important and I think every individual is.

Which of us, do you think, would do better in business?


And I was talking about one individual, actually, though I didn't name him. When that sort of individual as the person I'm talking about is decides to throw in the towel, you'd be a fool not to worry, and so would LL.

coco

I LOVED it, Darling!

coco

yes, but you didn't chase it!

Ok Honey...I'll stop.

You're lucky Phil.

jsut follow the train above, Jerboa, and all will be well.

Oh yeah darlin, like YOU were the issue!

*hugs you anyway*

Whether Phil or Cocoanut think individuals are important does not really matter. To LL they probably are not important at all, at least not if we see the way they make their decisions. Though what I do wonder... how many OS did Dreamland have left at the moment of the blog entry?

Sarah clearly did something wrong, though most of us would have cheered for her (including me!). The employee banning her for 3 days also did something wrong: a 3 day ban is way overreacted. Another employee thought different, and in the end they lifted the ban. No one knows if it was a manager, no one knows if the original person that did the ban, regretted it later on. 2 people did something in the heat of the moment, that is all there is.

@Jerboa: you would be taken way more serious if you did address people by their name. The only thing I now remember about your postings, is the fact you misspelled Phils name on purpose. Would have been better if I remembered your viewpoint, I think.

@Sarah: Thanks for telling LL what we all were thinking Yes it is wrong to say things like that, but so understandable.

I user emphatically disagreed.

There are SO many people who make a difference in SL, and make it what it is, that their leaving would impact it. People who give back as much as they get out. Coco is one, I think she is an asset to the community, Travis and Sarah. Her work at helping new people get set up and not quit SL in a week, would be hard to replace. Plus she is SL's biggest cheerleader, she will be the one who shuts out the lights if it ever goes bust, she loves it that much. She should be working for LL in their PR department, God knows they don't seem to care about promoting their service. There are hundreds of others, many who post here, who give time to help, some make it their primary activity. Ray Figtree left and I think the land business and SL in general lost someone who gave so much knowledge and wisdom. Even you Phil. I've experienced your helpful side, I know you aen't as aloof and jaded as you come off here. I am, and you're never at the meetings. So all these people would be sorely missedif they left, because I don't think the climate in SL is conducive to replacing them anymore.

But you are right. LL wouldn't give a shit. And SL would probably be gone by now if all those people followed suit.

Jesus Christ on a Pony! Are you still going on about the Hot Dog????

Excellent summary, Marcel.

Now, I'm up for a group mudfight, anyone else?

and we are only hearing one side of the story here, and one incident

we do not know if she has been vulgar with them before, or if she has swore at them before, we can only take her word for it

some of you will take her at face value and believe her word, others won't
I have no opinion either way, because I do not know Sarah, so.. therefor I can only base it on this incident and the personality she is showing now, which leads me to believe this is not the first time.

I could (and probably am) be wrong.

Strikes me as funny that Phil is so against profanity (which personally I very seldom use) but thinks that lying is an acceptable business practice.

soitenly ollie.

/me slings mud at Rha

*splat*

I wasn't trying to be taken seriously.

That is because he is too aloof and jaded to show up

and here we have no idea what she said to the linden that unbanned her, for all we know it might have been a friend who is a linden that she ran to, to get unbanned

again, those who know her will take her at her word, those who do not, will always have doubts as to what really happened and what is not being said.

the only ones who know for sure are Sarah, and the linden who set the suspension and the one who lifted it.

For all we know, the one who lifted it might be getting reprimanded as we speak for over stepping their limits.

*shrug*

I can not help but think, just like many other situations that come up in these forums, that we are not getting the whole story.
(many of you make this very same comment when it pertains to other people, that we are not hearing the whole story, and only hearing one side of it)

I hate it when you one up me. *shakes fist*

Luckily it doesn't happen too often.

/me tiptoes over to Brenda's van and tries to peek in the windows.

I've done very well in business all my life Even in this forum you can read multiple posts praising my customer service in SL. However...

I do understand the idea that, if a sod of earth falls off the Yorkshire coast and into the sea, then Eurpose is the lesser for it. By the same token, if I closed my store and left SL, then my products, which are liked by many people, would no longer be available and SL would be the poorer for it. But that's a micro effect, and I'm really talking about a bigger resolution. Startrax left, so he made no more sculptures, and SL doesn't now have the sculptures that he might have made since then, but SL didn't buckle or even twitch. It continued to grow and develope as though he'd never been in it. That's the resolution I'm talking about.

If Sarah packed up today, what effect would it have. A freebies store would close, but there are other freebies places. There would be one less people dealing in land, but there are others, so she wouldn't be missed in that respect. I learned in this thread that she has tenants. Ok so they would have to find somewhere else, but they are only a comparitive few people, and when they've found somewhere else, their SL lives would carry on as though she'd never been in SL. The same applies to any individual - SL and people continue, and LL isn't changed in the slightest.

If a significant number of people leave, or abandon land, at the around the same time, because of something that LL did, such as hiking the price of OS sims, then it would affect LL to the extent of them likely changing something to try and prevent it. I'm not talking about multiple people - just each individual. As individuals in SL, none of us are important enough that LL needs to sit up and take notice. That's my opinion, anyway.

I'm curious about who you mean.