Monogamy - does it make sense in sl?

Don't worry, if he's offended, Pep is perfectly capable of telling us where to go, using lots of big words.

Was his name Onslow by any chance?

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Isn't that, though a result of the fact that when a woman has a child it is usually pretty obvious, whereas when a man sires one, there are usually few consequences on the man?

As a result, women have a greater need to be warned and/or discouraged by society from unwanted pregnacies. Not saying that is fair, or that the manner in which women have been warned or restricted has been fair, merely that it is biology and until the development of effective birth control, was seen as a neccessity by society.

Note that regardless of the male domination of society in theory, that has not kept strong women out of leadership roles. Elizabeth (I and II), and Victoria were very popular rulers. Isabella did fine in Spain, Cleopatra is of course well known of Egypt, Bodecea... and less successful rulers such as Eva Peron (noone speaks of her husband that much, she is usually the one associated with that period in Argentina), Indira Ghandi, etc, etc, etc...

And that is not even covering the addage that behind every great man is a great woman.

It may be offically a male dominated society, and indeed many women *have* suffered as a result, but many have held their own or better, too.

There is another addage... men like to feel like they are in charge, regardless of the truth. *grins* I know I am that way .

LOL! In North America "Keeping Up Appearances" is on practically every night on PBS.

LOLz... keep on truckin' sister!

How like a man ...

Gosh!! I been told there were some times in history when women dominated. And if you ask my mother, they still control the Earth (although by cleverly leading their husbands to believe they are in the charge, in most cases!!).



Alright, fair enough. But can't we let bygones be bygones?



You refer, of course, to the nuts?

/me hums a strain from Seneca Falls and wait for pep to turn up with the Cif

Oh, certainly: that biology dictated that maternity was a certainty, where as paternity was (until recently) more difficult to ascertain for sure definitely is part of the equation.

But the point is that paternity only becomes important in the first place because property (i.e., inheritance) is involved. Had culture not dictated that the sons (usually through primogeniture) inherited the MAN'S property, being sure of the paternity of the children would not be nearly so important.


Hmmmm, yes . . .

Elizabeth I was renounced as a bastard for much of her childhood because her father, Henry VIII, was so anxious to have a MALE heir that he trumped up treason charges against her mother, Anne Boleyn, and had her executed. And she only came to the throne, following on her half-sister Mary, after her much younger and less capable brother died.

Victoria may have been popular, but she hardly "ruled" England, which was, in most respects, a constitutional monarchy by then. And, while he lived, her husband Albert, although only Prince Consort, was FAR more influential politically.

Boadicea only rose in rebellion after she and her daughters were raped by Roman troops, and their property confiscated following the death of her husband Prasutagus, when the local Roman governor decided that a woman would be easy prey to his avariciousness.

Eva, Cleopatra, and Indira were all, in some senses, "strong" women, I suppose, but not really very positive role models for powerful women . . .

Isabella of Castile may be the one woman in this list who really ruled, unmolested by men, as a strong and important sovereign in her own right.

The operative word being . . . "behind" . . .

Ok, rant done. I've officially cleansed my spleen.

You may now roll your eyes.

I was reading back and saw that I missed this offer - sorry, big guy, but I'm taken.

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This reminds me of the time I was climbing Kilimanjaro with an old bf and he got altitude sickness and keeled over just at the most "flagrant delecto" moment. Honestly, I thought, I'd killed him! He went all puffy-looking in the tent we had and saucer-eyed and bloop! He went all limp. Anyway, the guide got some oxygen into him and he went off and puked. It turned out to be altitude sickness.

Then some mice got into the rice bag and the guide killed them by smacking the rice sack with a machete and we had to eat red rice for a day or two but that is another story for another time ...

Yes, Seven is definitely spoken for

Well, we are clever that way, I guess. Once in a while, though, it would be nice to have OUR names inscribed on the commemorative plaques!


We'll give it a shot. Consider yourself on probation.


As a synecdoche, standing for all the rest? Yes, of course. Ridiculous things that they are. And, in that context, how appropriate is that common term, "Nuts"!

Awwwwwwwww !!!

No eye rolling needed. I wasn't saying that they system was fair

As for Elizabeth I and Victoria, though, they are still thought of as the rulers of their day, and regardless of the truth, credited with a lot by the majority (the majority not studying history to that depth). That may not have been any consolation to them at the time, but even in their day they were more public than any of the men doing any 'actual' leading.

Good counterpoints, though.

Scylla, have you ever read about our Granuille? The REAL Grace O'Malley was another fine role model from history.

Hey wait..no.. back to evolution.

Genes want to reproduce and organisms wanna pass their own genes on because they all think theirs are the best ones... Despite any flaws I have, I happen to know mine are the BEST!

Only the popular folklore. But thanks for the suggestion: I will!

I shall wade through that shelf tomorrow and send you a recommendation inworld.

Yeah, I know you weren't. I just get . . . carried away sometimes.


Well, I don't want to shortchange these women, either. Regardless of how they came to power, or how they managed to wield it, the ones you've mentioned WERE strong women, without question. The point I guess I was making was that they only achieved what they did in the face of a culture that really worked against them.

Yay! Thank you!

I totally want to have your prim babies now.

/me cracks up!

LOL!

As long as there is no talking tummy involved!

Great reading. I have just found a really odd bug on my bosom. Like a damp wasp with a long tail. Looks like it wants to lay eggs. Time I got going and did some things in the real world.

Lovely afternoon. Sun shine.