Monogamy - does it make sense in sl?
|
|
Alexander Harbrough
Registered User
Join date: 22 Feb 2009
Posts: 601
|
09-11-2009 12:46
From: Scylla Rhiadra Yeah, I know you weren't. I just get . . . carried away sometimes. No worries  In these modern times, you can do the carrying too if and when you want  From: someone Well, I don't want to shortchange these women, either. Regardless of how they came to power, or how they managed to wield it, the ones you've mentioned WERE strong women, without question. The point I guess I was making was that they only achieved what they did in the face of a culture that really worked against them. Agreed.
|
|
sable Valentine
AU United
Join date: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,275
|
09-11-2009 12:56
From: Jig Chippewa Great reading. I have just found a really odd bug on my bosom. Like a damp wasp with a long tail. Looks like it wants to lay eggs. Time I got going and did some things in the real world.
Lovely afternoon. Sun shine. From one wasp's nest to another. Just send them to your cottage home. LOL
|
|
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
|
09-11-2009 13:01
I see that while I have been away you have been talking about the lump of ugly fat at the end of the penis which is called. . .
Pep ( . . . a man.)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
|
|
Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
|
09-11-2009 13:35
From: Scylla Rhiadra The explanations for the prevalence of monogamy in most cultures are usually evolutionary, as in Smith's post here:
While I think "nature" has a great deal to do with these things, I am more inclined to blame "nurture," i.e., culture, for monogamy. I think it is a mechanism put in place by a male-controlled culture to ensure that the offspring of a relationship belong to the male partner That is precisely the sociobiological explanation -- or one of them, the other being that women want a steady mate to help raise the little ones. I feel that in these matters, it's silly to try to tease apart instinct from culture. Neither exists in a vacuum. There is no answer to the question, "What is the natural human condition, apart from culture?" We had culture long before we were human. From: someone Which SHOULD suggest that a gynocentric or lesbian community should be able to free itself of this. If they cannot, is it that a reflection of our Pavlovian conditioning by a phallocentric culture? Or perhaps there's a genetic predisposition? Note that a genetic predisposition doesn't mean there's no hope that things could be different. I'm sure there are plenty of things where culture overrides genetic predisposition. Faithful marriages would be a case in point. According to most sociobiologists, the expected outcome would be a marriage where both partners cheat. He cheats, liberally, because that distributes his genes more. She cheats, selectively, to produce offspring with better genes (i.e., cheating with higher-status males).
|
|
Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
|
09-11-2009 13:40
From: Alexander Harbrough Isn't that, though a result of the fact that when a woman has a child it is usually pretty obvious, whereas when a man sires one, there are usually few consequences on the man? That reminds me about the story of the girl who got an abortion, because she didn't think it was hers.
|
|
Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
|
09-11-2009 13:54
From: Scylla Rhiadra But the point is that paternity only becomes important in the first place because property (i.e., inheritance) is involved. This turns out not to be true, since it's a big issue in other species, where property is not an issue. In the non-promiscuous ape species, whenever a male takes up with a new mate or mates, he kills all the juveniles from previous fathers. He's not protecting his property. He's simply not wasting his energy providing for juveniles who aren't carrying his genes. However, I'm sure that you're correct that the social structure in human cultures reflects the mens' goals far more than the womens'. A great example of this is that a man who plays around isn't treated the same way as a woman who does. Yet the evolutionary pressures for doing so aren't so different. I find it interesting that several bird species that scientists had thought were very faithfully monogamistic turn out not to be, based on DNA evidence. Evidently, the birds were so good at being covert, they fooled the human watchers as well as their mates.
|
|
Lear Cale
wordy bugger
Join date: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,569
|
09-11-2009 13:59
From: Jig Chippewa A Chef, eh? I like Chefs. Jamie Oliver types are dead sexy. My son's more the Mario Batali type -- red hair, budda shape, orange crocks, and "let's enjoy this" attitude. He's quite a bit taller than Mario, though. Lots of ladies find him very sexy.
|
|
Alexander Harbrough
Registered User
Join date: 22 Feb 2009
Posts: 601
|
09-11-2009 14:21
From: Lear Cale However, I'm sure that you're correct that the social structure in human cultures reflects the mens' goals far more than the womens'. A great example of this is that a man who plays around isn't treated the same way as a woman who does. Yet the evolutionary pressures for doing so aren't so different.
Not entirely true.. normally a woman can only bear one man's offspring at a time. Men can sire children all over the place at overlapping times. Thus men sleeping around is a lot more likely to keep the reproductive rate up than women doing so... It is might be a little less so given contraception, but even so.
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 15:06
From: Pserendipity Daniels I see that while I have been away you have been talking about the lump of ugly fat at the end of the penis which is called. . .
Pep ( . . . a man.) a mushroom? It always looks like one to me.
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 15:08
From: Lear Cale My son's more the Mario Batali type -- red hair, budda shape, orange crocks, and "let's enjoy this" attitude. He's quite a bit taller than Mario, though. Lots of ladies find him very sexy. hey, as long as he cleans his own plates ...  tell him I'm into balsamics that are "blanc" from California. Mint and balsamic drizzled over lamb.
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 15:09
From: Pserendipity Daniels I see that while I have been away you have been talking about the lump of ugly fat at the end of the penis which is called. . .
Pep ( . . . a man.) That is sooo Rugby.
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Paul Wardark
Wait, what?
Join date: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 383
|
09-11-2009 16:59
I tried to have two girlfriends at one time once in SL. They knew about each other, we were all okay wth it. I wanted to kill myself after about three days. Talk about irritating. And I can only imagine how annoying it would have been to try to keep them secret from each other.
Now my SL girl is my RL girl, and we're both sticking with it. I like it much better.
|
|
Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 1,873
|
09-11-2009 17:37
*sigh*
See what's become of ye. I leave the thread for half a day and it devolves into weenie jokes. The horror, the horror.
_____________________
"...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa 
|
|
Dagmar Heideman
Bokko Dancer
Join date: 2 Feb 2007
Posts: 989
|
09-11-2009 18:24
Hey Jig, do your men tend to look like this by any chance? 
|
|
Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
|
09-11-2009 18:26
OOoo...cool game! Errrr...I made the guy's head explode in about 4 clicks. Not sure if that's a good or bad score. 
|
|
Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
|
09-11-2009 18:37
From: Smith Peel I'm thinking he should have been worrying about that before he found himself in your man-trap* of a bed!!!  *more like trap and release...or trap and forcibly eject! There's got to be an idea for a new SL bed in there. One that has some type of animation that ejects (kind of like a security orb) the partner (of the owner of the bed) out after the pose ball sexxies are over. /me goes off to ponder that one and consult a few animation designers 
|
|
Malia Writer
Unemployed in paradise
Join date: 20 Aug 2007
Posts: 2,026
|
09-11-2009 18:38
From: Jig Chippewa a mushroom? It always looks like one to me. LOL. He meant the thing attached on the OTHER end of it.
|
|
Smith Peel
Smif v2.0
Join date: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,597
|
09-11-2009 18:46
From: Czari Zenovka There's got to be an idea for a new SL bed in there. One that has some type of animation that ejects (kind of like a security orb) the partner (of the owner of the bed) out after the pose ball sexxies are over. LOL yeah...for some reason.. I kinda imagine Jig pressing a button like Dr. Evil does, ejecting the spent male into the fiery pit she euphemistically calls a "guest house"...and you can hear him distantly wailing..."Ahhhhhhhhh someone help me... I'm still alive...but I'm... very badly burned....!!!"
|
|
Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
|
09-11-2009 18:54
From: Seven Okelli I was reading back and saw that I missed this offer - sorry, big guy, but I'm taken.
. I'm not  (And LOVE cuddling)
|
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
09-11-2009 19:33
From: Czari Zenovka There's got to be an idea for a new SL bed in there. One that has some type of animation that ejects (kind of like a security orb) the partner (of the owner of the bed) out after the pose ball sexxies are over. I once made a decoy pose ball that orbited people who tried to use it when the owner wasn't around. 
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 21:04
From: Smith Peel LOL yeah...for some reason.. I kinda imagine Jig pressing a button like Dr. Evil does, ejecting the spent male into the fiery pit she euphemistically calls a "guest house"...and you can hear him distantly wailing..."Ahhhhhhhhh someone help me... I'm still alive...but I'm... very badly burned....!!!" In one place it's a lovely spot by a lake with ducks and stuff and they even have a deck of their own. And sliding doors. They also have really nice beds and bedsheets. The place I have by the sea is also really neat and there they just have to be careful coming down the stairs which are very old (1790) and a little problematic. It's also haunted which might be an issue. But I dont tell them that (I just told you but you dont know where it is). Anyway, if they scream at all it's coz I have stepped on their toes or poked them. Men like that sort of thing. My ghost is a young woman who steals jewellery (we share it out when the guests all leave)  I'll be very gentle with you Smith, I promise. I will hoggle and poggle you rather than cuddle you 
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 21:07
From: Dagmar Heideman Hey Jig, do your men tend to look like this by any chance?  Frankly, at 3 in the morning, they're not as good-looking!
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
|
09-11-2009 21:09
From: Malia Writer LOL. He meant the thing attached on the OTHER end of it. BUT it DOES look like a mushroom! get up close to it and take a realy hard look. Even the skin is mushroomy. Softish and puckery. Try pinching the end - you get some interesting results.
_____________________
Fine Young Cannibal
|
|
Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
|
Monogamy - does it make sense in sl?
09-11-2009 21:15
Not necessarily for me. Even in RL I ask myself: "Who am I?", "Am I?" and: "If yes, how many I am?"  This brings me often to the conclusion, that I am a dividual.  Not an in/dividual. As a result I am polygam with myself. A group. (Feel free to make jokes about possible group activities of all sorts) Same in SL. The main avatar has different versions of himself. Not to mention the alternatives. If I would add an official partner in SL it would only increase the basic polygamism of myself. If I stay unpartnered it would be still polygamism, seen from that angle. I think, monogamy is an illusion. In all meanings. I am too many to be monogam. If I think flat and use only the usual metrics like 1 + 1 = 2, then it is even not impossible to meet a person who is on the same ontological theory-trip, which would make even 1 + 1 = 2, instead of many, obsolete. We would be more than 2 then. Not visual, but ontological, *if* we are dividuals instead of in/dividuals. Also I think, beside all this, that a couple, a married couple, is never alone in their bedroom. They have company of minimum 2 more. There are ever 2 invisible divorce-lawyers standing at the foot-end of the bed, waiting on their chance. This is kind of polygamism too, if one like to see it as this. ETA: it is 6:13 AM here in Austria. We, ahm, I mean, I woke up too early I am not really awake. It is possible that this made my theory slightly inconsistent, stupid, or totaly BS, hahaha  But we, I mean: *I* don't care If it was wrong, then another piece of the polygam structure will be responsible for that. I, personally, go now activating the coffee-machine. The others of the polygang are still sleeping.
|
|
Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 1,873
|
09-11-2009 21:20
From: Jig Chippewa Frankly, at 3 in the morning, they're not as good-looking! You're the one brings 'em home...
_____________________
"...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa 
|