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Monogamy - does it make sense in sl?

Argent Stonecutter
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09-11-2009 10:22
From: Jig Chippewa
And he woke up all cross like a big ferret,
You're completely wrong there, Jig. Ferrets sleep like the dead.
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Smith Peel
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09-11-2009 10:23
From: Jig Chippewa
So you are NOT mono are you? You're like all men. Have the wife and then toss them in the scrap heap of matrimonial decay.


Nothin like broad generalizations there, Jig :rolleyes: Two (or more) people might make an agreement of any sort that makes them both (all) happy.
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Jig Chippewa
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09-11-2009 10:24
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're completely wrong there, Jig. Ferrets sleep like the dead.


Notice how all the men are starting to be dead quiet in this thread?
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Lear Cale
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09-11-2009 10:24
From: Jig Chippewa
So you are NOT mono are you? You're like all men. Have the wife and then toss them in the scrap heap of matrimonial decay.
They are REAL women (or men :)) you meet here. How about that poor wife of yours and all those kids, wandering around the kitchen of reality and looking for scraps?
"All those children" is now a chef and doing fine, thank you. He has brought *us* scraps from time to time. :)

And I shudder to think that you'd call our bed a "scrap heap of matrimonial decay". That's the only place I toss her, and only when she's willing. I hope she stays willing as long as I'm able!
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09-11-2009 10:25
I'll be back - gotta get my slap on.
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Smith Peel
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09-11-2009 10:26
From: Jig Chippewa
Hey!
(Mind you, I did sleep with one bloke (only once) who really did say, "For Christ sake will you f**king SHUT UP!";)
And that is NO lie.


OK now I really am crying :D
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Lear Cale
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09-11-2009 10:26
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're completely wrong there, Jig. Ferrets sleep like the dead.
Yes, and they sleep quite a lot, too, don't they?
Jig Chippewa
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09-11-2009 10:26
From: Lear Cale
"All those children" is now a chef and doing fine, thank you. He has brought *us* scraps from time to time. :)

And I shudder to think that you'd call our bed a "scrap heap of matrimonial decay". That's the only place I toss her, and only when she's willing. I hope she stays willing as long as I'm able!


A Chef, eh? I like Chefs. Jamie Oliver types are dead sexy.
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Laurin Sorbet
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09-11-2009 10:27
From: Treasure Ballinger
I just don't share the idea that men's 'quirks' at sleepy time, are gross. I see them more as endearing. Part of their charm.


Ah, you have escaped the exploding Tourette's gentlemen, yes? :D
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Solanghe Sarlo
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09-11-2009 10:27
From: Lear Cale


IRL, I'm monogamous, faithfully married for over 20 years. In SL, I've been "together" with the same woman for nearly 3 years...
I won't argue with those who say that I'm not being faithful in RL if I'm having relationships in SL. Being faithful is a matter of keeping agreements (including implicit ones).



So Lear, I'm just curious: does your RL wife know about your SL activities? Is she in SL herself? I'm not going to bust your chops about it; I'm just always curious about these things.
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Smith Peel
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09-11-2009 10:29
From: Jig Chippewa
I'll be back - gotta get my slap on.


Bye, Jig!! This one's for you:

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Solanghe Sarlo
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09-11-2009 10:30
From: Argent Stonecutter
You're completely wrong there, Jig. Ferrets sleep like the dead.



They do! And what's funnier is how they can be rip roaring around the house and then suddenly fall over asleep right in the middle. SO cute and hilarious. :p
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Treasure Ballinger
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09-11-2009 10:31
From: Smith Peel
OK now I really am crying :D


This is a 'me too' post....... :p Poor guys......
Scylla Rhiadra
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09-11-2009 10:32
From: Solanghe Sarlo
I will admit though, in the Lesbian community where I live I am somewhat of an anomaly. There just aren't many people here who practice any kind of poly; it's generally frowned upon. I know this isn't the case in many other parts of the world, maybe I need to move.

The explanations for the prevalence of monogamy in most cultures are usually evolutionary, as in Smith's post here:

From: Smith Peel
Some studies suggest that women are more likely to be jealous of signs that their partner is unfaithful emotionally, and that men are more likely to be jealous of signs that their partner is unfaithful sexually... this agrees with the expectations in evolutionary psychology (this will open a whole 'notha can of worms!! but basically women unconsciously or consciously seek out men with resources...whatever that means in their specific culture..usually money... and an emotional bond with another woman or women may lead to him leaving or spending his resources elsewhere... and men tend to seek out women who are fertile and want to ensure they are not cuckolded.

While I think "nature" has a great deal to do with these things, I am more inclined to blame "nurture," i.e., culture, for monogamy. I think it is a mechanism put in place by a male-controlled culture to ensure that the offspring of a relationship belong to the male partner; you can see this most obviously, culturally, in expectations surrounding social and economic functions like inheritance laws.

Which SHOULD suggest that a gynocentric or lesbian community should be able to free itself of this. If they cannot, is it that a reflection of our Pavlovian conditioning by a phallocentric culture?
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-11-2009 10:32
From: Solanghe Sarlo
So Lear, I'm just curious: does your RL wife know about your SL activities? Is she in SL herself? I'm not going to bust your chops about it; I'm just always curious about these things.


Another 'me too' post......just curious, not 'attitudinous'. /me looks around for Pep, knowing 'attitudinous' is not a word. :cool:
Solanghe Sarlo
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09-11-2009 10:39
From: someone
Jig Chippewa...
I stopped sharing a bed when I was 19. It didn't take long for this chick to catch the train on that score. Men are vile in bed. Like big snorry, whiffly things. And they PICK their noses in their sleep!!! Gross! And they smack their lips.



OK, from someone who's shared her bed with other women since she was 19....we ain't no delicate flowers Jig honey. We girls do our fair share of gross stuff in our sleep too. Don't *even* get me started. :D
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Smith Peel
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09-11-2009 10:41
From: Scylla Rhiadra
While I think "nature" has a great deal to do with these things, I am more inclined to blame "nurture," i.e., culture, for monogamy. I think it is a mechanism put in place by a male-controlled culture to ensure that the offspring of a relationship belong to the male partner; you can see this most obviously, culturally, in expectations surrounding social and economic functions like inheritance laws.


You left out the part where women gain resources from a marriage or marriages... I blame both sexes equally :P Actually I don't blame either. Nature does things for a reason. And the Universe gave us free will besides that.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
Which SHOULD suggest that a gynocentric or lesbian community should be able to free itself of this. If they cannot, is it that a reflection of our Pavlovian conditioning by a phallocentric culture?


I would not make any assumptions about gay people based on evolution for reasons I won't go into... Basically I believe it is not the same model but Nature trying out to see what else might work...

PS - Let's stop blaming the penises for all the troubles... last time I checked, lots 'o lesbians were still buying up the big hard ones at the women-owned naughty shops ;)
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09-11-2009 10:45
From: Solanghe Sarlo
OK, from someone who's shared her bed with other women since she was 19....we ain't no delicate flowers Jig honey. We girls do our fair share of gross stuff in our sleep too. Don't *even* get me started. :D


LOL... thank you... although had any girl I've ever been with done something inadvertently gross it was politely ignored and erased from my memory banks!!
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09-11-2009 10:47
From: Jig Chippewa
I dont care if they are rock stars, CEOs, lawyers, Maintenance Men, carpenters etc. It's a level playing field when they nod off.
I was wondering who all those people were I saw leaving your flat last week...
Solanghe Sarlo
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09-11-2009 10:54
From: Scylla Rhiadra
While I think "nature" has a great deal to do with these things, I am more inclined to blame "nurture," i.e., culture, for monogamy.


Totally agree with this.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
Which SHOULD suggest that a gynocentric or lesbian community should be able to free itself of this. If they cannot, is it that a reflection of our Pavlovian conditioning by a phallocentric culture?


Excellent question that I will have to ponder further. In my own case at least, I think part of the problem is that I am unfortunately located in one of the most ass-backwards parts of the U.S. as far as social culture is concerned. I'm a transplant from up north, and the social climate on these types of issues is in my opinion, extremely antiquated. So I think location plays a large part as well.
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Alexander Harbrough
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09-11-2009 10:54
Love the idea of multiple partners in theory, but in practice? Who has the time? :)

Maintaining a worthwhile relationship with one woman is more than enough work for me :)

That said, I am not the jealous type unless I am feeling neglected... and even then I am more apt to just wander off than get annoyed over it...
Smith Peel
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09-11-2009 10:57
From: Raymond Figtree
I was wondering who all those people were I saw leaving your flat last week...


OMG Hammie, you're in rare form :D
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Solanghe Sarlo
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09-11-2009 10:59
From: Smith Peel
PS - Let's stop blaming the penises for all the troubles... last time I checked, lots 'o lesbians were still buying up the big hard ones at the women-owned naughty shops ;)


True, but it's because of the *cough* um...sensations *blush* they provide. It's definitely not because we are trying to reproduce the male presence in our boudoirs. Hell, the best thing about those things is that there's no man attached! :p

:D
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-11-2009 11:00
From: Lear Cale
Yes, and they sleep quite a lot, too, don't they?
Wazzat? *snkx*

Don' ask me nuffin before I has coffee...

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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-11-2009 11:05
From: Smith Peel
You left out the part where women gain resources from a marriage or marriages... I blame both sexes equally :P Actually I don't blame either. Nature does things for a reason. And the Universe gave us free will besides that.

Well . . . yes. And no. The Universe gave women a free will; and then men took away much of their ability to act upon it.

"Free will" is the "culture" part of the equation. And for a very very very long time, "culture" was pretty much monopolized by masculine authority. I don't want to be reductive about this: of course there were benefits to women from monogamous relationships. Nor do I wish to suggest that women were utterly without power in the various different incarnations of "culture" that have existed in the past (I speak largely of the West here; I'm not qualified to comment on other cultures.)

But there are cultural reasons, enforced by a male-dominated society, that explain why female "virtue" and "chastity" and "fidelity" have always been more highly prized than the male equivalents. In a culture, for instance, where inheritance laws rely upon patrimony, it was important that the male ensure that it was HIS offspring that inherited. Men have always been allowed (or even encouraged) to "sow their wild oats" before marriage; women have not, because women were viewed as a sexual commodity (who wants "damaged" or "used" goods?), and premarital promiscuity was viewed as a sign of potential marital infidelity.

From: Smith Peel
PS - Let's stop blaming the penises for all the troubles... last time I checked, lots 'o lesbians were still buying up the big hard ones at the women-owned naughty shops ;)

And there's nothing wrong with penises. I am quite fond of them myself. It's the baggage that comes attached to them that is the problem. :D
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