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Hypocrisy or Overreaction to an RP Region?

Argus Collingwood
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08-03-2009 12:03
From: Desmond Shang
I'm interested to see how this all works out.

Elric's opinions stand fairly high with me... he's been around a long time, is a reasonable chap, and deals with a lot of these issues himself.

Jo, if you can find accord with him, you will have won a lot more ground than you might at first realise.

And perhaps the lesson of the Wiemarer Republik... is that what happened to it, could happen *anywhere*. Guard its true history well.

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Now, to return some balance to the thread, I offer this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAFMKWHfAY

Okay, do carry on...



Des, do go and check it out. I'm quite sure you have the right look in your wardrobe ;) The music in the Cabaret is great and methinks Happy Hour @ 2 would be a great time to visit.
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-03-2009 12:03
From: Tali Rosca
Those who flaunt the rules will do so no matter *how* many rules you write.
"Flout". Please. You make ferrets cry.



That's the second person who has flaunted this error in this thread.
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Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:05
From: Destiny Niles
Well you could start World War III early.


Early?
Has a date already been set then?

PS, don't mess with the ferrets, they are cool.
Darien Caldwell
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08-03-2009 12:08
What I still don't understand after 6 pages is why he changed his avatar and clothes to accommodate the rules, and was *still* given a hard time. Something just doesn't make sense or is missing.

But you can be sure I'll never bother coming to a sim that seems to be so anal about what one wears. If you go to visit Old Williamsburg in Virginia, they don't make you wear period clothes to view it. It's ridiculous.
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Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:13
From: Darien Caldwell
What I still don't understand after 6 pages is why he changed his avatar and clothes to accommodate the rules, and was *still* given a hard time. Something just doesn't make sense or is missing.But you can be sure I'll never bother coming to a sim that seems to be so anal about what one wears.


It's not for everyone.
I wouldn't bother coming to a historical sim that doesn't care.

From: someone
If you go to visit Old Williamsburg in Virginia, they don't make you wear period clothes to view it. It's ridiculous.


If you wanted to be in a historical movie you would be asked to dress the part, I think that compares to a good historical sim.
sable Valentine
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08-03-2009 12:15
Well... I have a really nice flapper dress that I rarely get to wear. I think Will and I will make a visit and also to virtual Harlem.

I do like the house cat avie ideal. I wonder if I can get Will to change into one too.

Any suggestions where I can buy a cat avie? Do they come in different species of cats?
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-03-2009 12:15
But why was he given a hard time for being 10 years off in his clothing style?
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Briana Dawson
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08-03-2009 12:16
From: Jo Yardley
We sell a map at the entrance, there is a little sign there that we created because so many got lost, not being used to narrow streets and such.
You have only seen the square, behind that is a hotel/restaurant, theater, apartment block and our night club with original 1920s (mostly) German music.


Sell a map as in $0L or $1L?
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Tali Rosca
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08-03-2009 12:20
From: Argent Stonecutter
"Flout". Please. You make ferrets cry.



That's the second person who has flaunted this error in this thread.

Sorry. Honest, non-native mistake. Though in my defense, I probably had that spelling in my mind exactly because I'd seen it earlier :-)
Nika Talaj
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08-03-2009 12:21
From: sable Valentine
Any suggestions where I can buy a cat avie? Do they come in different species of cats?
Metamorphoses. Wonderful avatars with cute AOs. Owned by the forum's own Nimbus Rau.

Yes, lots of species. There are other places ... look for "Quad cat avatars".
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Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:22
From: sable Valentine
Well... I have a really nice flapper dress that I rarely get to wear. I think Will and I will make a visit and also to virtual Harlem.

I do like the house cat avie ideal. I wonder if I can get Will to change into one too.

Any suggestions where I can buy a cat avie? Do they come in different species of cats?


Virtual Harlem is lovely!
A MUST to visit.

Little realistic animals sound like a great addition to any sim, I would love to add some dogs as part of the set but they take up so many prims and leave a mess ;)
Melita Magic
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08-03-2009 12:22
I imagine they want people to wear clothes of the correct period because...well first cos it's their sim and they're paying for it, but second, because as she said, they are trying to evoke a bygone era. Sort of like ghosts walking around.

Please no one crash the sim as Scooby Doo. :p
Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:23
From: Argent Stonecutter
But why was he given a hard time for being 10 years off in his clothing style?


I don't know, I have not seen the outfit.
But it also depends on the outfit, some 40s outfits are fine for 20s, some are not.
Fashion changed a lot in a short time.
Melita Magic
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08-03-2009 12:25
I thought he said Victorian?
Tali Rosca
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08-03-2009 12:27
From: Nika Talaj
Metamorphoses. Wonderful avatars with cute AOs. Owned by the forum's own Nimbus Rau.

Yes, lots of species. There are other places ... look for "Quad cat avatars".
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...including an awesome, rocket-powered steampunk cat with brass wings and goggles. Though that one is hardly inconspicuous in most sims :-)
Ciaran Laval
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08-03-2009 12:28
From: Jo Yardley
If you wanted to be in a historical movie you would be asked to dress the part, I think that compares to a good historical sim.


You're listed in showcase under arts and culture, I wouldn't expect to be asked to dress a certain way under such a category, this isn't your fault but that's probably why you get people turning up not in character for the setting.

The welcome area is a bit small and I also think you're missing a trick by having it so small but it's your build to do how you please. I would however suggest that if you get five minutes you take a look at how Tombstone do it, they're a wild west roleplay area and have similar restrictions on dress.

The project is interesting and it's certainly nice to see someone taking onboard projects like this.
Elric Anatine
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08-03-2009 12:28
From: Argus Collingwood
Des, do go and check it out. I'm quite sure you have the right look in your wardrobe ;) The music in the Cabaret is great and methinks Happy Hour @ 2 would be a great time to visit.


Des has a more appropriate wardrobe than me?! Good lord -- say it isn't so! What have I spent all my money on over the years! I think it's time to impale myself on one of my sword canes. ;-) (/me teases Des playfully)
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-03-2009 12:35
From: Melita Magic
I thought he said Victorian?
He was in a 30s outfit, his friend was in Victorian, which wouldn't cause a temporal paradox.

Edit: OK, I got that backwards.

But according to this site Victorian would be OK for Berlin in the '20s. In fact pretty much anything not badly anachronistic would be:

http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article04190901.aspx

What to Wear: Club fashions were exaggerated for theatrical effect: Berlin men sported dandified suits, including lilac or lime shirts with high stiff collars and cravat. The women wore short hair, striking makeup, and backless dresses with plunging necklines or men’s suits. The fashion pace-setter was the beautiful redhead dancer and silent film star Anita Berber, who gadded about with her face powdered a ghoulish white with a vivid slash of scarlet lipstick, stark naked beneath a mink coat except for a gold chain around her ankle and a pet chimpanzee hanging on her shoulder. Once-staid German girls began to copy her style, and even streetwalkers found it hard to keep up with the standards of exposed flesh.
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Treasure Ballinger
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08-03-2009 12:35
I was just wondering (since Jo is responding the thread, that's great, by the way) about the fact that Elric and his partner were escorted by a group member. Seems that ought to mean something, that someone just has guests? Different than if they were alone, I'd think? Did the accompanying group member mean anything, while they were being spoken to by the police, or no?
Elric Anatine
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08-03-2009 12:35
From: Darien Caldwell
What I still don't understand after 6 pages is why he changed his avatar and clothes to accommodate the rules, and was *still* given a hard time. Something just doesn't make sense or is missing.

But you can be sure I'll never bother coming to a sim that seems to be so anal about what one wears. If you go to visit Old Williamsburg in Virginia, they don't make you wear period clothes to view it. It's ridiculous.


It's possible my blond hair was offensive -- it's in a braid and slightly unkempt. My shoes were suede. I did sport a cane (I think -- I usually do), which might have been too formal. White tuxedo shirt, suede gloves, brocade vest and jacket. Now I did also have lace sleeves -- which I'm sure offends some 1920s Berlin sensibilities.

So really, I suppose I was offensive. Granted, I could have worn the freebie clothing provided, but there are some concessions that I will not make, and that's fine -- the option was presented "Change your clothes or leave". I left.

As for my Lady, clearly she was a bit too stylish and more prepared for some Swing dancing which I do not believe came into popularity until the late 20s (my father was Swing Kid from Hamburg, and he had brilliant stories of his nights out from the 30s).

But I digress. What's done is done. I suppose it was bound to happen that one day I'd be truly taken aback in SL!

PS: Thanks, Des, for your kind words regarding my character.
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sable Valentine
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08-03-2009 12:35
From: Melita Magic
Please no one crash the sim as Scooby Doo. :p



For a scooby snack, I promise I won't. :D
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Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:38
From: Ciaran Laval
You're listed in showcase under arts and culture, I wouldn't expect to be asked to dress a certain way under such a category, this isn't your fault but that's probably why you get people turning up not in character for the setting.

The welcome area is a bit small and I also think you're missing a trick by having it so small but it's your build to do how you please. I would however suggest that if you get five minutes you take a look at how Tombstone do it, they're a wild west roleplay area and have similar restrictions on dress.

The project is interesting and it's certainly nice to see someone taking onboard projects like this.


Thanks, yes I think I agree on the welcoming area, when we started building the parcel was MUCH smaller and we didn't have many prims so we had to make do.
I shall consider a bigger/better entrance.
I have been to Tombstone and Deadwood, we can't afford such huge welcome areas, but we'll see.
I think with Tombstone you can't even get in before getting a few things sorted.
Elric Anatine
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08-03-2009 12:41
From: Melita Magic
I imagine they want people to wear clothes of the correct period because...well first cos it's their sim and they're paying for it, but second, because as she said, they are trying to evoke a bygone era. Sort of like ghosts walking around.

Please no one crash the sim as Scooby Doo. :p


Actually, they're asking for donations. And when asking for donations (no, this is not a sense of entitlement, this is business), it stands to reason that one wishes to cater to a reasonably broad audience in the hopes of obtaining donations.

A bit of flexibility could go a long way. On the other hand, if donations from a wider audience really are not that important, then it is entirely the owner's perogative to run their sim any way they choose fit (including banning my gentleman backside).
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Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:45
From: Treasure Ballinger
I was just wondering (since Jo is responding the thread, that's great, by the way) about the fact that Elric and his partner were escorted by a group member. Seems that ought to mean something, that someone just has guests? Different than if they were alone, I'd think? Did the accompanying group member mean anything, while they were being spoken to by the police, or no?


I have no idea, I was not there and if I was I didn't hear what was being said, who said what, etc.
Generally the rules apply to everyone, guests or not, but if they bring guests who's outfits arent right their host can always say "Oi Jo, these are my guests, is it okay if I just show them around quickly without the costume hassle?"
And I would probably have been a bit easier.
But that goes for everyone, if people just IM me and explain they want a quick look around and rather not change their outfit, in many cases that will be fine with me if its not to busy.
I've only ejected and banned people who refuse to change, become rude or don't respond to my questions.
Jo Yardley
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08-03-2009 12:47
From: Elric Anatine
Actually, they're asking for donations. And when asking for donations (no, this is not a sense of entitlement, this is business), it stands to reason that one wishes to cater to a reasonably broad audience in the hopes of obtaining donations.

A bit of flexibility could go a long way. On the other hand, if donations from a wider audience really are not that important, then it is entirely the owner's perogative to run their sim any way they choose fit (including banning my gentleman backside).


We want donations to keep the place free not to make a profit, the donations we get from our guests, rent from apartments and shops takes care of the tiers.
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