Hypocrisy or Overreaction to an RP Region?

Ha you are so right.

Or, "Thank you Frau Yardley!"

Fraulein!!!
And it has to be shouted.
lol

Coming up...

Neither are misogynistic comments from pseudo-intellectuals who use a forum (and language) to compensate for their myriad insecurities.

I have a few questions, since I can't go there right now...

1. Does this place have what could lovingly be called an "Immigrations Office," to help herd arrivals to the note cards, freebies and such?

2. Does this place have volunteers who might explain or speak of the time period to help people adapt? This might be a fun addition, provided you could find the volunteers to do it.

3. Is a list of shops or creators included for era appropriate wear?

Seems to be 'staffed' by some very friendly, helpful and knowledgeable people. When I went there were two or three just past the entrance. They answered questions and offered any help they could.



Yes, the people who run the sim and also the group members seem more than willing to pitch in. Also there is not really a lot of 'adapting' to do - just wearing some 1920s type of clothing is really all. And I saw they let things slide here or there. Especially if they saw people were trying, and were friendly.



I don't recall seeing a list of other shops on the note card. But, in addition to the freebies, there are shops within distance of the landing point. It is not a very big sim at this point. So picture basically a room you land in, with a curtain for the door. While in that room you can read the rules and pick up the freebies. Then, soon as you step out there is the cinema, hotel and a few shops, all in the theme.

There is a shop for furniture and radios and hausfrau dresses. There is a men's shop called Swank Brothers. There is a hair shop and a dress shop selling things by Sonatta Morales.

You go a bit more and look for the narrow alley and that takes you to the rest of it, with the bar sort of down some stairs in the back.

Some other places to find vintage things are Lemania, Kleineschwein, 1 800 Bettie's, Ivalde, Ingenue, ETD for flapper hair, and I think Caledon might have some things for men. Try Bryce for shorter men's hair.

I'm sure others can add to the list of shops.

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FWIW I love being called Miss this or that and I wish old fashioned manners would make a comeback!

Unless I'm mistaken, it's Shiny Things...

http://lindenlifestyles.com/?p=411

Oh - mika also has some nice vintage things for women. (Another shop that isn't part of the Berlin sim but mentioned to offer further clothing choices.) It's mostly showgirl costumes or evening wear. But it also has some hats, boas and cigarette holders. (Look for the free gift in the bag in the middle of the main floor.)

For men (at mika) there are two male shapes for only 100 Linden. Not vintage necessarily but I know a couple guys asked in forums recently for that too.

ETA way after the fact - the USO sim has some vintage shops, too.

I visited this region yesterday and enjoyed it. I would like to offer a comment on the idea of a place where historical garb is required and historical RP is not. It makes perfect sense to me. There is an historical aesthetic in which beauty is found both in old things and in the accurate recreation of old places. It is an aesthetic which finds satisfaction in visiting preserved historic locations as well as in the discussion of what life would have been like in them. I am an historian; that aesthetic is very much a part of me. RP, on the other hand, seems to draw on the same impulses as creative writing and game playing. These two types of pleasures are not necessarily linked (nor necessarily opposed). I love really well-done historical regions, such as Renaissance Island for example. RP does not appeal to me at all.

Seems a lot of this has to do with first impressions.

I remember being in Argentina; my Spanish is terrible but if you are in Buenos Aires, people DO say "Buenos tardes" to each other first... it's expected, it's a touch formal... and they do it.

If someone did that in California, it might be seen as a bit strange. But for the Argentines, it's not.

I've known people who do formally use Dear and Miss, and many others who really, really, really don't like that as they assume it to be presumed familiarity.

Could the whole thing have gone wrong, from this?

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Once, I wrote in IM "Yes, I believe you!" in a reply to someone's statement... at which point they said: "Don't sass me!" or something to that effect.

Ironically, what I meant was precisely what I had written: "Yes, I believe you!"

Something to think about.

I agree. I have also been there, took care to follow the rules, and I encountered no trouble whatsoever. The bottom line is, whoever owns the sim makes the rules, and you can choose to follow them, and be allowed to visit, or not. Things like right, fair, and hypocrisy have nothing to do with it. It's their sim, and you need to follow their rules, or not go there. In SL, it is not your RIGHT to go wherever you want to go. And it is not the responsibility of the sim owner to meet your expectations.

So, if you disagree with the policies of a sim owner, exercise your right to disapprove by not going back. If enough people agree with you, chances are that sim will be gone before long.

And, if you think they are doing it wrong, buy your own sim, and do it right.

...and I think you could be right there, Des. In the 1920s it would surely be a case of "call me madam". Being addressed as "Miss Deira" seems somewhere between odd and insulting - the way to address a rich child, and "Dear Deira" sounds like you are writing me a letter!

Since Jo lives in Amsterdam and says her German isn't so good - I hazzard a guess that she may be Dutch. The Dutch word for "Miss" is "mevjuffrouw" and it went out of use a long time ago - probably in the 1920's. Nowadays, ladies are called "mevrouw" whether married or not - bit like the "Ms" form and I just loathe being a "Ms".

I will say something for the Dutch though - they usually pronounce "Deira" correctly

Hi again, Sunspot. Do you only post here to demonstrate exactly the characteristics that I describe? Every time you do it exemplifies and reinforces my observations on over-emotional women over-reacting. But since you founded a group called the 'Emo Sisterhood' why should I be surprised.

Pep (I assume you are an alt of someone who has felt humiliated by me at some point. )

PS I am not pseudo anything, and congratulations on your convincing delusions regarding your remote psychoanalytical abilities.

I have good enough taste in companions not to associate with pompous, priggish vain people with no sense of proportion, in the first place.

If I had been landed with someone like her I would have clarified the sim's requirements with the Polizei then encouraged my companion strongly to change her outfit, and if she would not take that advice I would have been extremely apologetic to the hosts, (rather than blasting off an irrelevant and rude tirade on nazis) and then explained that I would not wish to be associated with such ignorant behaviour and given her the option of changing or continuing without me.

Pep (Would *YOU* be 'chivalrous' if your wife insisted on driving drunk, and just sit in the passenger seat?)

Many of my English unmarried friends do not mind it at all when they are called Miss.
As long as you can't hear the way the other person says it you can not know if there is an extra meaning then the one it has.

I am indeed Dutch.
The Dutch word for miss is Juffrouw, mejuffrouw is only to be used in writing.
I was still very common in the early 50's.
Nowadays you can call a woman mevrouw but the word juffrouw is also still correct for a young unmarried woman although it is not fashionable anymore.
And as I have never been fashionable and always obsessed about history, I call myself miss or juffrouw, because thats what I am.

I would object *most* strenuously!

Pep (Don't call me Master unless you *really* mean it. )

May I call you fraulein?

I'm married, sorry.

Pep (Not in sl though. )

If YOUR partner had worn the evening suit and YOU had worn an evening dress it would have been more accurate. The dissolution of 1920s Berlin puts sl to shame.

Considering the 1920's period then:

In English you would be Miss Yardley. Very much so in the 1920's when people were more formal and would not address you by your first name.

If I call you Miss Jo, you must be about age 12. A little boy would be addressed as "Master", e.g., Master Joe. If I call you Miss Yardley, you are an adult unmarried woman - strictly speaking the eldest daughter. If you had an unmarried elder sister, she would be Miss Yardley and you would be Miss Jo Yardley.

To call an older lady "Miss" can seem rather insulting as there is the implication that she is an "old maid". These old prejudices have still not died out - and in the 1920's, being an old spinster was not an enviable social position, even if she was wealthy.

A married lady is addressed as "Mrs" followed by her husband's name. If your husband was Mr John Smith, you would be Mrs John Smith. Although some married ladies may still retain their maiden name for professional reasons - this was rare in the 1920s.

Someone who does not know your name - e.g., a shop assistant, would call you "madam" whether married or not. This is still the case, even in UK 2009.

I agree, Deira. And Madam thing happens today even on High Street unless you are in North where it's "Luv" or in midlands where shopkeepers call you "my duck".
Americans and Canadians dont understand the forms of address by males to females either. One "switched-on" woman was horrified when she was called Darlin' at a market stall in Bermondsey when we were shopping. The market repartee is gorgeous and I miss it when I am not in UK. ''Allo, Darlin', where you bin? We missed you rand 'ere. Ere' 'ave a banana!"
Just adding - that 1920s was so interesting for addressing people.

I disagree.

Pep (I'm pretty sure they didn't have tentacle sex. )

You could - but in the 1920's you would have called him "Sir".

He get's called all sorts of things here though and I think he thoroughly enjoys it.

They would've if they could've.

Yeah it's "luv" down the market and "madam" in Harrods in 2009.

I think I'll have a banana this lunchtime - oh the power of suggestion!

EDIT:
Pep's in the midlands - I wonder if he's ever been called "my duck".