Hypocrisy or Overreaction to an RP Region?

Somehow the infamous presidential faux pas loses a bit in translation.

Once again, Darien.

I had never met anyone nor been to the sim in question until after I posted in this thread.

Posting a clear and decisive answer is hardly evidence of deceit.

*I take that back - I had met Kokoro before but it had nothing whatsoever to do with this thread or the Berlin sim. Pep, Kokoro and Briana got there not long after I did and we all hung out a bit there, together.

First I'd heard of any of the Berliners was in this thread. /me shrugs. People will believe me or not, it's hardly something worth lying about.

It's an urban legend anyway, so that's appropriate.

Pep, do you go Pogo?

Sounds like a good summary of this thread!

Pep (I wasn't referencing the comic strip - didn't know about it until now - merely repeating a roman a clef meme)

/me considers creating an alt called Aton Five . . .

Pep (Chthon: "the most intricately structured novel the science fantasy genre has seen". )

"The Mekon" would be more appropriate. Get that reference to a classic? Media and modern culture trivia is a specialty ...

Given the posts about 'minions' someone who lost his heart to Minionette in a distinguished and award nominated novel is entirely more apropos than a two-dimensional comic book villain.

Pep (Mekon's an idea for an sl avatar though?)

It was political satire, the Doonsbury or Bloom County of its day, and ended up being pulled from the newspapers because the papers saw it as too controvertial. It is a great read if you can find a reprint somewhere.

Favourite (and probably most famous?) Pogo quote: "We have met the enemy, and they are us." From 1970, an allusion to the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Pogo was an astonishingly literate and engaged comic. Pep, I'm surprised at you for not knowing this ...

I guess that us'n over heyar din't hold much to no furrin funnies.

Pep (Literate? "Southern U.S. English dialect laced with mispronunciations, fractured grammar, mangled polysyllables such as "incredibobble" and "hysteriwockle," plus invented words such as the exasperated exclamation "Rowrbazzle!"

Representations of Southern U.S. English dialect, actually. Rather like one finds in, um, say, a novel by Faulkner? What is more (and I am TRULY shocked that you of ALL people don't seem to see this ), Southern dialect employed satirically!

As for the neologisms and portmanteau words ... I am truly astonabulated that you don't find these rather clever and witty!

My favourite bit is somewhat sillier.. "What's untied? What's untied? Whatsuntied for Whitsuntied???

Bun Rabbit had decided to celebrate all the holidays at once, and fill up the extra time during the year with sunday afternoons. His list of 'all the holidays' was rather inclusive.

A more satirical momment (set to music.. there was a Pogo record made, and it is actually rather good):

"There were some wasps in our town
Who, with their wonderous wives
Suckled at the bramble bush
In search of lovely lives.

And then, when the bush was dry
They, each and every one
Wrapped it all in barbed wire
To sheild it from the sun
To sheild it from the sun.

Basicly a comment on society's tendancy to exploit until something becomes rare, then hoard it.

After visiting the sim for a second time, it is indeed worth a visit and it's clear a lot of attention to detail went into it. Two constructive comments, however.

The sizing scale seems just a bit too small. As a very small male avatar I found myself a veritable giant in Berlin. The "one RL meter equals one SL meter" rule seems to died many years ago and while there is clearly a problem with excessive avatar height, the solution seems to be to split the difference and find a middle ground of scale. I found many areas of Berlin to be rather hard to navigate, where it felt cramped. This is a minor complaint, but just something to keep in mind. In general people seem to dislike having to change their avatar height just to visit a sim.

No uniforms? If there is one thing that was true of 1920s Germany (and Victorian Germany and Nazi Germany) it was that there was an abundance of uniforms worn by people in all lines of work, as well as by social groups, political organizations, military and paramilitary units, police, firefighters, etc, etc. Yes, the Nazis used uniforms, but so did the Stahlhelm league, the various freikorps, and many other groups that were either not Nazi-affiliated or in fact were actively opposing the Nazi party. And there was of course also the Reichswehr, the military arm of the Weimar Republic. It thus seems a bit odd for a historical recreation sim to ban uniforms.

The only issue I had with the sim is the avatar height measure wasn't accurate, as far as I could tell. I have one on my own land, and it showed my resized avatar as 6'2", yet the one at the Berlin sim pegged me at 6'7".

I finally gave up and went in anyway. Nobody seemed to care.

Yes the scale for avs is a bit unusual in SL, I made my av 45 in height and still was a tad taller than some. However, since most of the regulars were in the low 40s in height, it added to the fun to fit in more. It was a hoot roleplaying with them.

Roleplaying is not required but it does seem to add to the overall feel of the place.

The people were nice with quite a dry and sometimes naughty sense of humor.

I saw a height requirement on a wild west sim before, but the sim wasn't there long. People "do like being giants" but then the scale is all relative to SL.

thank you Dr. Howland.

Part of the issue with resizing just the height, is everything else lacks proportion. If you want to look normal, you have to do a lot of tweaking, and not just in the height of the overall avatar. It took me 30 minutes just to scale my avatar to a mere 6'2" (I'm normally about 6'6", which is still pretty short compared to most people in sl).

I may spend some time making a decent shape for sims that require me to be "normal sized", but for now I'll just be content with being a giant. After all, Henry VIII was 6'4" tall, in a time when most people were generally five feet tall.

He was? I didn't know that!

Yes that is the issue for most, I think - proportions. Not everyone is good at that and many people have a bought, no mod shape or do not know how to tweak the shape themselves even if it is mod. Many will also be afraid of losing and/or ruining their current shape.

I knew to make sure I had named my current shape and saved it, and then I could mod it and rename it and it would be saved as a different shape. But a lot of people don't.

Maybe a freebie male and female 'size appropriate' shape in the entry area too? With a note card enclosed about how to save and find their 'usual' shape afterward, if they change.

The "people were really short in the middle ages" myth is widely considered apocryphal.

I may have lost track, but I believe that a few pages back there was some discussion of pasting the Chat Log and/or IMs of the encounter between the OP, his friends, and the person who greeted them at the 1920s Berlin parcel.

I've been reading the Terms of Service and the Community Standards, and don't see specifed there the answer to the question: if all parties to a chat (or IM) agree that it may be published...is it still a violation of LL policy to publish it?






note: I'm assuming that the relevant sections are:

TOS: "CONDUCT BY USERS OF SECOND LIFE 4.1 You agree to abide by certain rules of conduct, including the Community Standards and other rules prohibiting illegal and other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful..."
[and the remainder of section 4.1]

and

CS: from "4. Disclosure: ...sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums. "




And, in a related question: I've seen a couple or three posts in this thread claiming (for example, in post #271) that the original post violates the TOS.

How?

The people involved are not named. Not even the sim is named.

What's the violation?

The rules of this forum say not to name and shame - if the place can be understood by enough details it falls under that heading, I think.

No one said LL TOS. I think they meant forum rules.

(As to reposting a transcript, the key part you quoted is 'without consent.')

Right. And as far as I can tell, in this particular case, had the parties involved wanted to go forward with posting the logs in question, they could have. (I'm NOT calling for that as it would appear that the dispute has either progressed past that stage, or died down, however you want to look at it. My question was a general one, not a wish to re-stir this particular pot.)

But I think there is some ambiguity in the question of posting even those chat/IM logs for which all parties have said 'go ahead and post it'---and this ambiguity is created by a sentence from the same CS (#4) quoted in my previous post:

"Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy."


....what I'm suggesting is that if LL wanted to be hard-headed, they could act against two people who, say, both publicly agreed to posting a 300-word chat-----IF that chat were not already posted in both their Profiles.

Absurd...yes. But it could happen, if LL were to rely on the letter of the CS rather than on the sense.