Hypocrisy or Overreaction to an RP Region?

You ain't the only one with a little Latin, and less Greek in this forum, Herr Pep!

It's shaping up like a Noel Coward play in here!

I still want to read this as "hypocrisy or overreaction to a RP religion".

Swoon!

Sorry, after hearing both sides, The picture I see is of two visitors bending over backward to comply with rather overly-strict rules, and only being harrassed when their attempts didn't meet someone's idealistic standard. It's fully the fault of the hosts in that situation. A host should be gracious, and understanding, You and your minions were neither.

Okay - how closely have you been following this, if you think that I was

1. part of the original situation

2. part of the sim staff or group in any way, then or now

3. ...minions? Really? Lol

I visited the place after this thread, to try and give a more objective report than the OP did.

I think giving the place at least one chance in person, and making up one's own mind, is fair. Writing a place off for good based upon one report, in which someone who was given every chance, chose to become rude and insulting, is not fair. But, it's your choice of course.

When I first landed there, a woman was cursing and complaining and calling the (male) polizei a "fashion nazi" and going on and on to no one in particular. I said nothing to either, but observed that the polizei entreated her to "please, let's work this out" etc. while she continued ranting at him. I'd say it's a marvel they can all remain polite and calm afrer having abuse hurled at them by visitors with a supreme sense of entitlement all day long.

It isn't that hard to be nice. It really isn't.

And fwiw, the person I saw was dressed really strangely and not in any way realistic or approaching 1920s garb. Still, she was the one who wouldn't bend.

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PS I am curious how you've interpreted refusing to change clothing, listen to the hosts, or obey the rules as "bending over backwards?" Let alone the name calling part.

First off, I've noticed you've been defending the sim owner from the beginning, so I have no doubts you and her are friends. I consider you a minion.

Having a nice sim doesn't entitle one to have rude behavior. Nice sims are a dime a dozen in SL. Nice people are the real commodity.

And go back and read the account. not only did they change their clothes, they changed their avatar too. If having gone through all that already to comply with the rules, and then having someone on staff continue to harrass you even further, I can quite understand why they may get upset. And yet, no proof has been offered as to what was said, so perhaps you have first hand knowledge of the event there? Do tell.

The proper thing to do would be to give these people an apology for the poor treatment they received in her sim, and yet, not only has she not done so, but tries to portray them as the villian. Her lack of concern for the comfort of the visitors to her sim leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Such people I have found are best avoided for the enjoyment of one's Second Life.

I really don't have much more to say on the subject, and I suspect said sim owner is too bull-headed to reconsider her position, so that ends it.

Not that it will make much difference but I only know 1 person in this thread personally and have met 2 others in Berlin.
I have no clue who everyone else is, if we have met or spoken.
If you think I know someone because they support me, my hostess or the sim in general, I know a lot of people then I thought.

I am the sim owner and I have no position to reconsider and nothing to be sorry about.
I was not present, I do not know what exactly happened, I do not know what has been said and nobody ever complained directly to me.
I trust my 'hostess' and still have seen no need not to, even after witnessing her welcoming dozens of people day after day.

There were 4 people involved, I was not one of them.
I do not judge situations that I did not witness myself.

I never met the sim owner (or anyone else) until after the thread - I posted all along what was the truth as I observed it to be from the original post and since.

Do not forget - it seems many in the thread have - the original poster asked our opinions, AND the thread title is "overreacting?" My answer is yes.

The other part of the thread title is "hypocrisy?" My answer is no.

After I read the thrashing - again, naming/shaming is against the forum rules - the sim and its staff received I went to look for myself. I found them nothing but friendly, polite and helpful, including to people who cursed, were rude, (one who) called names, etc. What I witnessed was not the incident talked about in the original post, but I felt I saw enough to decide what I felt about the sim and it did nothing to change my original impression that the op was whiny and entitled.



No, they're really not. And my personal opinion is that I appreciate someone going to all the hard work to create such a place. And I try to show my appreciation when or where I can. I usually don't defend things like this but, to me the entire attempt to sabotage someone else's work because a visitor got into a snit for some tiny thing, is awful.



A bit hypocritical unless you were there and/or have this same 'proof.' I do see accounts by all but one of the people mentioned as having been there, and I have my opinion which differs from your own.

At least I gave the place a chance, which is more than you wish to do for some reason.



WHo called who a fascist and a nazi? To me that is the person who should apologise to the recipient of those very insensitive insults and actions. For all that name-caller knew, the person called those names had lost people in the Holocaust. I fail to see how asking someone to change their clothes deserves ALL of this unless someone's ego is so huge they could barely fit INTO a sim, and so maybe it's better they left.

I can only say my own experience and I don't think people change that drastically in a matter of hours.



So you call them a name too. Nice crowd.



I am not a "minion" of anything. I have my own mind, I know it, and I speak it. I try and avoid calling names in the process.

(But I thought I was the ringleader and *had* minions. I already miss that throne...)

Darien, where in the op does it say he changed clothes, as you claim?

He wore a suit to the sim, refuse to change it, so did his friend, and then they both left. That is going by his own account.



You said his original post describes changing clothing when requested - he did not, by his own telling.

Just reminding you what you wrote in the same post that you said the above in:

"Whiny and entitled" is just as much of 'a name' as "bull-headed" is. As to this:

I think you'll find the sim has had plenty of GOOD publicity and extra visitors while this thread keeps on going. And the longer it keeps going, the more good publicity and visitors it will have. And that's great.

One of them won't be me, though. Sorry, I refuse to change my avatar shape for anyone. Clothing? Sure, I'll change that. Hair? Sure, I have short hair that I can replace my 'over-long' hair with. But when a sim owner hints that I won't be able to get inside the buildings on her sim, or sit on the provided poseballs because my avatar is of the usual SL height (7'+) instead of the height that has been used for the build, viz. -

- then I will pass on visiting that sim. I won't even mod my shape to fit clothing or boots, let alone to visit a sim. And there is no point in visiting if I can't walk through doors to experience the buildings, or sit on the poseballs in the club, etc. At best, I could cam, and where's the 'experience' in that? The 'subtle persuasion' won't work.

I'm happy that others are enjoying the place, though. Long may it continue

You're right, Skell. I take back the part about "whiny and entitled."

Sorry.

No need for apology, Melita. We've all had a little snip at people and then done exactly the same thing ourselves

Thanks.

(FWIW though, I tested there at 6'11" in heels, and got through doors and poseballs fine.)

He changed his outfit to the one he owned that was most appropriate to the sim before he got there. He also changed his species to match the sim rules. The person who challenged them has written in this thread that his suit was not the problem, it was his companion's.

His companion had also changed, before going to the sim, to a 1930s outfit. That was apparently what was causing the problem, it was out of theme by 5-10 years.

Yes, precisely. What they wore did not fit the theme and they were asked to change - they didn't.

We've all discussed the rest - whether it should've happened, whether the sim owner have the 'right' to set rules and ask people to comply with rules, etc.

Darien was claiming that they changed clothes when asked, but that did not happen. That was my point. It matters as a detail because that's the relevant part - their being asked to change. And what happened next.

Wow Darien, you are making a lot of assumptions in this post. Defending the sim makes her a "minion" of the owner? Surely Melita is just expressing an opinion based on personal experience? I actually met Jo before this thread started, and also defend the sim, but I assure you I am no "minion."


I don't see how you come to this conclusion on the basis of her responses here? The very fact that she HAS responded, and has tried to explain the sim fully suggests that she has a great deal of concern for the visitor experience.

That's what's been alleged. But we find that he *was* OK in theme. Given what I've found on the web about what people actually wore in the Berlin club scene in the '20s, I find it REALLY hard to believe an outfit from the '30s would be significantly out of theme.

I've known Elric and Pip for years. He is, simply put, "not the sort" ~ and neither is Pip. They had estates in Caledon for years, but have their own regions now; I have no ulterior motives financial or otherwise here.

To make an extreme analogy: what would it take before Kermit the Frog started cussing like a sailor? It *might* be purely Kermit's issue, but considering the frog's character across years, reasonable people might question such a conclusion.

And I have nothing *at all* against anyone on the estate. What the whole thing sounds like to me, is misinterpretation of 'tone' via text chat, and things getting worse from there. Of course, I wasn't there, so who knows?

And no, I *don't* want to see chatlogs, here or anywhere. "Trial by forum" or "court of popular opinion" doesn't ever really prove anything. Whomever has the most forum friends always 'wins.'

Because of that, I'm not about to weigh in upon who is right or wrong. But I shall make a fair attempt at healing the rift, if I can.

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Besides, Elric's post here likely caused the best advertising boost the region will see for a long, long time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

Your post from page 2, long before anyone from the sim had arrived, set off alarm bells for me:



/327/0d/333276/1.html#post2517436

It's tone, and content speak to someone with far too much information about the sim, the events, and was incredibly negative in tone for someone with no prior knowlege. If it's indeed true that you aren't a minion, then you're incredibly judgemental.

And I have never proported to be a good person. In fact I tell everyone just how Ebil I am; Ebil with a B, because I'm cute. (oh and I'm not big on modesty either)

I know Desmond is keen on healing rifts, so in that interest only, I will retire the subject. And Extend my hand in a conciliatory nature:

And what did the OP request? A judgment! You're so far off the ball you are in a different game, Darien. Elric wouldn't have posted here except he had misgivings about his (faux-chivalrous) choice of supporting his companion, despite her intransigence, and probably is subconsciously begging forgiveness for his over-reactive transgressions in IM as well. I had never met Melita until we rezzed at Berlin after this ludicrous drama had been unnecessarily dragged into public, against the ToS/CS, but I feel the same way.

Pep (*Nobody's* minion! )

PS Cherchez la femme! Where is Anya?

PPS If Skell isn't going there I might consider becoming a regular.

Personally, I'm more a hamburger than a mignon. But we're talking of Berliners, not Hamburgers, so maybe I'm a cherry pastry?

I'm a bit of a donut.

of course you are. you're a berliner (a bismark for the north americans...)

(yes... i KNOW Argent just made the reference as well, but one can never have too many donuts OR doughnuts...)