Males playing female avatars

I spent a few weeks visiting a Gor sim a while back....and got to know the women very well....and the women there were mostly professional women in RL....powerful women with success in their careers. Probably the kind of woman that you could have some Appletinis with, and chat with for a few hours.

Be careful.

Careful what you mention around ferrets.

Thank you Great Fashion Designer in teh Sky for men's pants - so we wont have to see their dingledangle on cold mornings.

Sound liek they had a few too many Appletinis. Time to turn to San Pell.

Oh, I know it, Mickey.

And I'll also cheerfully acknowledge that there is a divide in Gorean culture (and one that has caused some internal friction) between those who are there casually role playing, and those who are SERIOUSLY into it, and export its attitudes into RL.

Gor, like everything else, is not monolithic in nature.

Sorry, quoting things means nothing.

You still speak from a position of ignorance, whereas I was a part of the first Gorean sim in SL. And you speak of "Scholarly sources"??? Any "scholarly sources" reviewing the writings of John Norman are most probably not too scholarly.

And regardless of how many sims you can find that do anything of what you say, all it takes is one to break the mold and prove you wrong and i know there are dozens.

You speak of Gor from ignorance, i speak of Gor from experience. And whenever you start making universalizing statements about something, you should realize that you are most probably WRONG.

And i don't need Google to find anything regardning Normans books as i have them all myself and can find whatever i need when i choose to devolve my level of education and read that crap.

Gor isn't just about sex, and it is even LESS about sex now than ever before in the past, especially when i "went to Gor" in 2004.

Clue up before speaking up. It helps you not insult people that just happen to be in your midst and associated with that thing you are slamming and maligning.

If you can't go to the Gorean Forum and read and learn then you are no different than every other half-wit that learns the black and white lettering of something and then tries to put it to practice - which often fails.

Well, hard as it may seem to the rest of you, I must drag myself away from this intelectual challenge and actually create something sensitive and artistic in real. Smith, please wash your hands if you go out anywhere.

Sure easier to say that then actually go over to the Gorean forums and meet some people and sit on the conversations to see who it is you are talking about.

Oh Snap, wait. You would rather be in SL with your "promiscuous alt" cybering who you thought was Pep's alt (or so you told me in PM - which i have no obligation to not freaking paste right here).

So ya Mickey, your passive aggressive snipes are getting old for a person that lieks to claim they take the high road so much and don't like stepping on peoples feelings or coming off looking rude.

Whatever.

You want to have it out, come on over to SC MKII where people can air things out and not have to worry about bans. Doubt you can handle that though.

Where the hell are you getting this information?

Nothing worse than a wanna be expert who doesn't even get their information from the tap but gleams it here and there from various 3rd parties.


You have no clue about the divides in "SL Gorean Culture" or else you would not have made that idiotic remark concerning Goreans and sex slaves.

Have we met?

Heya sweets, don't take it personal. Scylla is a good egg and we are still hoping to bring her around that the freedom to be a fantasy slave is actually liberating

Yea, i thought she was a good egg to until she started slandering all Goreans with that ignorant bullshit.

I would like to take this oppertunity to officially welcome you all the this weeks Friday thread.

One jarl once told me, all I need is to find the right Master. I told him that once he submits to the right Master to tell me that again.

*smiles and offers you a hug*

It must be tough to have something you love maligned so often. If you find beauty and pleasure there I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think.

Actually, the scholarly studies are social studies of the dynamics of Gorean culture, including at least one on Gor in SL. You are quite right: no scholar could hold her nose long enough to write about the books.

The citations of which I speak are from pro-Gorean sources, INCLUDING Gorean forums and blogs. I should have made that clear.


I agree, actually; see my response to Mickey above. If my comments on Gor are not sufficiently subtle, it is because they were asides, not actual discussions. I fully acknowledge that there is an enormous diversity within Gorean culture.

That said, they are STILL all ostensibly built upon the same faux-philosophy designed by Norman.


Agreed. It's not necessarily the sex that most disturbs me about Gor in any case.


But I have gone there, Bri. And, again, my explorations of Gor, while they have not led me to try it (and will not), have actually focussed on Gorean materials, not simply critiques of it. Where I learned my chops, we value the evidence found in primary source documents: the statements of Goreans themselves. And that means a DIVERSITY of Gorean sources.

I will, if you do

Not sure of the difference between sexuality and identity in this case. It's not something I can just drop for the sake of being PC (hell, there have been plenty of times when I wish I could), so therefore it must be part of me - how is that different from identity? I'd go further and say I am prepared to make it my "identity" if it would help others have an easier time accepting themselves than I did. There's quite a few people prepared to do that these days ... see for instance http://www.caan.org.uk/. IMHO that is what LGBT and other "identity politics" were all about. I sort of hope we are growing slowly past identity politics tho.

Yeah, and I think it is probably true that there are a few unfortunate souls who are hard-wired for dolcett or paedophilia or worse. That is why such people are largely incurable and need close and constant monitoring. I cannot imagine what it must be like if one's sexuality cannot be expressed without damaging others (although I am a bit radical on this - if a fully informed adult wants to consent to being eaten I see no moral reason to stop them).

But the same could be said of the traditional wedding vows and ring. All that "giving away" business. It's all to do with women as chattel. All these arguments about equality mean nothing if, by virtue of my sexuality, I am less equal than others. I hope you are as against the traditional marriage ceremony as you are against public acknowledgements of certain other sexualities.

So, it would be ok to see a woman with a man on a leash, but not the other way round? Where is the equality in that?

And if it is chunky or smooth.

LMAO... That's quite right. You can't make someone want to be in a BDSM situation. You either feel it or you don't.

Thanks Whimsy. I no longer live a Gorean lifestyle in SL since February 2008 when i met Nina, and my life since then has been much better, especially considering how Gor has changed so much in SL from its start. In general i cannot tolerate 95% of the Gor sims (of which there are over 250 last i recall).

There is a huge schizm in the community between: Lifestylers, By the Bookers, Soul Players, and Gor Evolvers. And i don't really get the deep aspect of the RP side that so many newer (post 2006) Goreans have embraced because the person who did bring Gor in force to SL was a lifestyler, not a role player, and has since retired from it all completely for a good old fashion D/s lifestyle, which for me in SL is much better than what the Gorean RP sims have to offer.

Not to mention my ears are not exactly favored by some Masters.

That was a great movie.

If it's chunky, you are clearly a freak!

And in general, i am tired of the extremely high level of ignorance displayed by some of the people in the forum when it comes to Gor, especially if when they post something totally wrong which i contradict and then they go on talking about the subject academically as if all of a sudden they are a professional expert on the matter, despite the totally wrong statements they made prior which made me respond in the first place.

It also pisses me off when people in the forums start slamming groups: pregnancy, furries, goreans, submissives, whatever, without considering or without caring (which is what i think it is) that they are offending people that they may chat here with everyday on friendly terms.

It is pretty F'd up. Especially once you start claiming people are shaming their gender, just STFU with your B.S., is what i think.

Nah. Just nuts.

You know that bugs me too, but I bet if I looked back I have done it at least once. It is an easy trap to fall into.

Heck, I felt really bad yesterday when that person asked a question about the fake boobs and got tons of comments about how awful they were. I should of said something then.. but shrugs.. I wasn't in the mood.