Males playing female avatars

LOLz...Nice one!

Bri, I can assure you that I didn't intend to insult you, nor do I in any way disparage or think the less of you for being involved in Gor. I entirely respect your decision to be a Gorean.

I DO have opinions about Gor, and they are (I must insist) NOT ill-informed opinions. And I do have the right to those opinions, and the right to express them. And surely that is ok? Can't we discuss things like this without it being taken as a personal attack on people who hold contrary opinions?

I've clearly upset you, and I am sorry for that. I don't much respect or like Gor; I can assure that the same is NOT true of my feelings about you.

Well i am done. I have never defended Gor in these forums before when people go slamming.

But when someone says "you shamed your gender", i think who the F..K are you to pass that sort of judgment on me about my actions in a virtual world which affect no one and shame nothing. It is a goddamn story, a freaking story. Role play or people living by aspects of a philosophy from a fictional work. BIG F'ING DEAL.

Oh and Mickey. Next time you take one of your sarcastic, passive aggressive swipes at me, I'm posting your PM's and showing this forum a face of your persona you probably don't want them to see. Will i get suspended?? I could care less, i can spend my 3 days on a plethora of alts that look just like me.

Try me.

Appletinis?

No, not a comment on BDSM, but my place in it and who I feel comfortable being with.

I was once a submissive but once I became a top, I won't go back. It gives me what I was looking for before but I did not really understand the roles back then.

Also, I have ALWAYS had a much stronger attraction to women. Men, for the most part, are ... hmm, how to put this ploitely ... selfish apes. The more he-man they act the more egg shell fraigle their ego and the more repugnat I find them. I know"why" woman are attracted to that in theroy but it still boggles my mind. I can not trust someone like that. There is no way I could open myself emotionally to submit to a jarl. It is just how nature wired me. One good lay is not going to change how I react any more than it would him.

Bri, I NEVER said that YOU shamed your gender. I never talked about GOREANS at all; I spoke of GOR.

There IS a difference.

Your sort of sex. "normal" sex I am not knocking it, most of "our lot" (LOL) indulge in it now and again. The fact that you were not familiar with this term does indicate that there may be gaps in your research. Have you been in touch with any RL BDSM people?


BDSM does not include an element of violence. BDSM is not violence. If any of it is violence then spanking is too. There isn't some point a Dom(me) reaches on the scale of pain infliction where they lose control and become violent, unless they are poorly, and poorly people will damage their partner somehow no matter what flavour relationship they are in.

ETA: Oh c*ck, the thread has turned to sh*t while I was composing this

Just to put in what hopefully can be taken as a neutral comment, and specifically not against you, Scylla,

BUT

talking about "Gor" is like talking about "SL" - it's easy to generalize and miss a lot.

Also, there are some forums for Gor in SL - goreanforums.com - and they are surprisingly tolerant, calm, and helpful. In fact, they're a lot more civilized than these forums.

There are a lot of reasons one could be involved in Gor, and not all of them are sexual.

Edited to add - I just read back and saw that Briana said all that already...

Well that wasn't polite, but nice try



That's true and I don't trust anyone who pretends or seems to have no feelings, whether they male, female or alien.

/me laughs

I'm glad I've met the ones from the other part!

Well, for the most part, I might agree with Rhonda's assumption of men. I'm just glad that not all us men fall into that category.

Vanilla sex to me means 5 minutes of missionary, under the covers, with the lights off, with the dude falling asleep afterwards



Agreed.



LOLz... it's OK we all calm down in a few minutes, I hope.

Huh. I thought Vanilla meant "no accessories you have to special-order".

Just to say, my only point about Gor was that (please correct me if I am wrong) the primary power exchange is between dominant men and submissive women and that this may have had an influence on the overall culture of D/s relationships in SL.

I don't have to special order nylon rope, clothespins, or my spanking hand.

To me vanilla means he doesn't pull my hair even once..

No, sorry, I meant specifically what YOU meant by "vanilla sex." In most contexts I've seen, "vanilla" sex would probably exclude many forms of LGBT sexuality, which I had already spoken about. Arguably, as a fairly straight woman, my "own sort" of sex is probably pretty vanilla; but the fact that I don't personally engage in same-sex, or (too many) kinks or fetishes doesn't mean that I would exclude them from what I consider "my sort of sex." They are in the realm of possibility, and I don't have the kind of potential issues with them that I do with BDSM.


It occurred to me as I was typing about "violence" that I probably needed to be clearer on this. I actually don't mean simple physical violence at all. I know that in "safe" BDSM, where safe words and guidelines are in place, this doesn't occur.

What I am getting at is that a collar, even though it has been put on willingly, REPRESENTS, even though it is not REALLY indicative of, an act of compulsion. And compulsion I see as a form of violence, or at least the implicit threat of it.

Now, again, I understand that no REAL violence, compulsion, or threat is actually involved. But, this makes it analogous to any form of sexuality in SL: none of it is "real": it is all a representation. So, I would tend to view submissive behaviour, collaring, and so forth as an implicit "sign" of violence in the same way that a rape simulation signals violence without actually comprehending it.


Yes, ain't it though?

LOL

Yeah, which is why I questioned the characterization of "my sort of sex" as "vanilla."

What woman WOULD want that?

/me winks ))))

I don't know any that do! ))))

Yah. No biting?

Well, I never DID get a response to my question whether there was a difference between "biting" and "nibbling."

Until I do, I am withholding comment.

if anything it has been the reverse.

SL Gor now has strong elements of BDSM including RLV use and a Gor RLV group. BDSM was never a big aspect of Gor when it came to SL.

There have been many exchanges between Gor-BDSM-Vanilla D/s. It is common now to see all girls in nadu/tower regardless of their flavor of D/s, and i do know that the idea of Tower/Nadu was before Norman (i cant remember the author now) as described by another author in his books but when animations came in v1.4 it took less than 1 week before Dyonis (i think thats his name) had created a set of Gorean animations (nadu, tower, bara, sulu, etc..and dropped them at my Animation outpost and *boom* Goreans in SL now had a full suite of animations to recreate another aspect of their life in the world of John Norman in SL.
Nowadays, BDSM is becoming more prevalent in Gorean sims and if not in Gorean sims, then among practicing Goreans. Of course Gor always had an aspect of BDSM being what it is and how it deals with female/male slaves - just not so heavy handed as traditional BDSM which SL is full of.

I think it is rather nice the way all the various flavors of D/s have shared various aspects between them, ultimately enriching them all in my opinion.

Nibbling is like a gateway drug to biting

Alright peeps, I catch you later... I'm gonna go do something that might require handwashing after



(PS, This is called "Pulling a Jig"... ie, announcing your exit from the thread along with some tidbit of your plans for the day )