does anyone know the LL position on depictions of sexual violence?

did you hear about the lady that tried to save the tigers at the zoo? they eated her!


edit: I think she should go to CARP... I'm sure they would be very enlightening to her world view... if the large number of furrys don't eat her first.

Perhaps we can get the OP and Cato together.

I wouldn't disagree with the OP's assertion at all but I would insist that it is a good thing folks have a medium to work this stuff through whether they see it as mere fun or something deeper and more disturbing within themselves that they actively seek to confront, which dialectic is very much at the heart of why I would personally like to see minors well and truly off the grid.

The OP's argument about representations of rape in imagery as opposed to RP is less to do with SL than a feature of how the internet works. I frequently find images cached on my hard drive that I would not have downloaded by choice but that's my problem for engaging in uncensored Googling. I see no real problem with this because, unless someone can prove my intent to download such images, they can otherwise go to hell in a handcart along with all the other moralisers.

The same principle stands even if I were disposed to get a kick out of those images.

I would also insist that looking at an image of rape is no more deplorable than looking at the remains of a bomb victim or a bloody assassination. Unfortunately, I have far more personal experience of the latter examples than rape. Having said that, I don't see the volume of complaint against images of death and destruction that should, in theory, match the furore over pornography of *any* description in contemporary media.

Since nothing other than sex is missing from the equation, I have to conclude that extremely negative views of pornography tend to represent little more than the same prurience that the objectors themselves seek to villify.

Furthermore, the extraordinarily sharp focus on rape as being somehow an exclusive objectification of women is not only indicative of the sorry state of contemporary advocacy for women's rights but it is a profoundly unethical misappropriation of the concept.

Um, could you fix your quotation so it doesn't appear as though I said what I quoted another as saying? Thanks.

I would. It's the same argument as made by those who believe that homosexuality is a choice.

Hmmm. It might be time for another cartel CARP hunt.

One user agreed.

Profound apologies. That ought to teach me for messing with nested quotes.


Matter of fact, I believe that myself: in my case it certainly is a matter of choice and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a point of personal pride that I don't see myself as some sorry-assed victim of a genetic lottery.

I don't speak for other guys and gals, of course.

You must hate mirrors then.

Thing is there is a good deal of very real nacissism tied up in homosexuality so I couldn't say that I do.

I don't much care for slack bitching though.

I've said it a number of times. I was not given the option to choose the appearance of my RL avatar. The way I look in RL doesn't reflect who I am at all. As a result, I've had to constrain myself in horrible ways in order to fit society's views of how I "should" be. (=_=)

The Genetic Lottery dealt me losing numbers. Apparently, you've won the jackpot. Enjoy your winnings and please reconsider thumbing your nose at us losers. If we could have had it another way, we would have. (>_<

Its the "keeping it under control" part that makes for a "normal" person.

You can't stop any kind of violence against women by trying to prescreen or filter some kind of "media influence". Those who would STILL would reguardless of what they've seen in the media. Same weak arguement as violent video games causing violence.. just another excuse to try to moderate things for people.

Socialization and experiences? No... Sexuality is a product of PUBERTY, plain and simple. It exists whether one acts on it or not, and is NOT affected by outside infuences. One's willingness to ACT on that sexuality may be influenced by experiences and socialization, but the personal limits of how far one will go remains that, reguardless of whether lesser things are spurring into action by the world. Again, those who would STILL would reguardless of what they've seen in the media.

The only thing primitive is the attitude that people think they can temper something as primal as sexuality by closing the individual off from outside influences. Dead, flat, and embarrassingly wrong. I'm going inworld to find such a neanderthal to "manhandle me in the worst one-sided way possible" so I can forget about all this feminazi stupidness

I'm not sure what "normal" is, or whether it's a desirable thing to want to be, but "keeping it under control" is a good idea. I'd have thought that finding a safe outlet was part of that.

Actually, I think there can be some dangers in exploring extreme fantasies in SL, especially for the inexperienced. Not in terms of consent, obviously - I am thinking more in terms of aftercare, or lack of it. Men have a tendency to get very sleepy when they have ... ahem ... "finished". In RL that's not quite such a problem - he's there and you can cuddle and chat, even if he's half asleep, but in SL he's likely to log off and just leave you in what could be a highly emotional state. This is not a reason to not explore stuff, just something to be aware of.

I'm glad this discussion has taken a more sensible turn. I don't agree with the OP but I felt bad for having said anything when people were just calling her nasty names.

ETA: oh hell, I spoke too soon

ETA2: I think the message that needs to be put out STRONGLY is that BDSM is not abuse and that there is no place for abuse in BDSM. That can be quite a difficult thing to understand for those not involved. I am constantly impressed (barring the very occasional bad apple) by the moral thoughtfulness of those I meet in the BDSM community, both RL and SL.

With all due respect that works both ways: perhaps it's churlish of me to "thumb my nose at others" but I am not a martyr to some deeply misunderstood glitch in my makeup and I did make it clear that I was speaking for myself.


Wouldn't it be so much better to have it as it is and be content with that? No one else can do it for you.

rape has nothing to do with sex. it has everything to do with power. that's why your question cannot be answered.

So the OP is claiming rape didn't exist before electronic media? I'd argue it existed a lot more often.



Gee, messiah complex much?

Stop insulting our collective intelligence. Who are you preaching to and why do you think we're all members of your church? Are you under the illusion we haven't heard the sermon before from various and sundry in our travels throughout life? The difference in opinion is whether and to what extent it applies here.

What part of 'consensual fantasy' did you not understand?

to spinster Voom - I agree with you but that's because there are a lot of people running around as "Masters" (or "Mistresses" who have no freaking idea what they are doing. They probably think aftercare is something you get for a gall bladder operation.

One thing I have always found interesting is that when people start arguing for censorship it almost always is to prevent violence towards WOMEN.

Fact is MEN are raped or abused in RL too But oh no the loudest ones could care less. Its all about women.

Same thing happens in breast cancer awareness too. Yes men can get it. Yes mens odds of getting are only slightly lower than womens. Ever try to attend a march for breast cancer in support of a man? I have, it wasnt pretty. Most of hte women told me to go home.

LOL!

QFT.

And Immy I'm sorry but sex with children isn't a 'kink'.

Only slightly.

Sigh.

A few points:
Nowhere did I say that media is the only influence on values & attitudes. Media is reflective of social and cultural norms, values and attitudes. It also plays a part in shaping them.

Sexuality is different from sex drives and urges.

I opened a sentence with "My agenda is.." because there were a range of conspiracy theories about why I posed the original question and because of false statements about my perspective.

I'm not preaching to anyone or imposing an agenda. It's called having an opinion and expressing it.

Go out into the real world and do something? Aren't people who use SL part of the real world? I've also done lots of 'real world' work on these issues anyway. For years. But thanks for your helpful suggestion.

Nowhere have I mentioned morality. I've spoken about culture playing a part in shaping attitudes. Around a hundred years ago it was legal for a man in the UK to beat his wife as long as the stick was no wider than his thumb. Rape in marriage was criminalised in scotland in 1982 and in england in 1991. The changes happened because of changes in how women were viewed; the notion of woman as property of the husband was challenged.

Rape happens because rapists make a choice to do it. Rapists are not immune, however, to notions of 'she was asking for it', 'she wanted it', 'but look at how she was dressed', 'i paid for her dinner, what did she expect', 'she loved it' and neither are the jurors who don't convict them.

*sigh* Maybe starting a string on rape might have served you better, rather than basically asking people what their sexual fantasies are and inferring they are somehow wrong. No wonder you're getting the reception you are.

Your also very one sided. Helps no one not even the victims you care for.

What??

sexuality definition
sexu·al·ity (sek′s̸ho̵̅o̅ al′ə tē )
noun
1. the state or quality of being sexual
2. a. interest in or concern with sex
b. sexual drive or activity

At the time I was dealing with it in my father the numbers the hospital gave me were 1/7 for women 1/10 for men. So those were the number I was thinking of when I wrote.

The fact that you couldn't simply correct my numbers and had to come back with a rather snarky "only slightly" illustrates my point.

Because I am talking about the mens side of the issue and because its less common in men. Then to many people its ok to dismiss the men as unimportant.