does anyone know the LL position on depictions of sexual violence?

Lol, almost the same posts at the same time.

No you can't sex is mean for procreation, doing it for pleasure is not what it's meant for biologically. Oh wait.. it's also used by many animals in dominate posturing (dogs and hyenas come to mind).


Most of the grooming is done by family members, teachers and religous figures.

As for tribal, I wasn't aware some of the richest middle east countries were tribal...

SL is not a good source for practice grooming, try WoW which actually allows them in with children where SL trys as best they can to keep the non-adult aged people off the main grid. And makes it near impossible for the wrong adults to gain access to the teen grid.

The fact is most of the objection to what is acting out. It's not actual children in the role play.

It's not children being molested when two teenagers get together, except in the for the kid laws that suddenly label both sexual predators if they are caught doing what is natural if under the mystical magical age of 18. You are failing to realize children is a term with no real definition on age or desires. It's a cop out term since people develop differently. I know 16 year olds that are mentally more mature than 30 year olds, and about as developed physically.

My definition of a child is one that is not mentally or physically an adult, it's not based on age which is a poor indication. Since there are legal adults with the mental capacity that makes them more or less big children... but odd thing is they are legal in regards to sexual activity...

I think part of the problem is that the word "child" has been stretched beyond all historical meaning. Until just recently in human history, childhood did end in the early teens at the latest. There is a big difference between a 5 year old, a 12 year old, a 15 year old and a 17 year old. I have no problem with hanging the person who molests a 5 or 12 year old. But the 15 and 17 year olds aren't children any more, they are young adults. (No, I do not find 15 and 17 year olds attractive. Now days a woman has to be over 30 to really attract my attention.)

Originally Posted by Conifer Dada
Clearly such content should not be allowed anywhere in SL.

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Conifer's personal opinion aside, the one clue we have as to official Linden Labs position is that the following search words are filtered EVEN AT THE ADULT SETTING:

* Ageplay
* Casino
* Gambling
* Loli
* Lottery
* Pedophile
* Pedophilia

Rape is one of the words filtered at the Mature setting, but not at Adult. For a complete list of tested words, check this page:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

[Note: Those words were tested today with the 1.23 client, and in a region running 1.26.4 server, which is not yet on all of the grid, so that's the latest versions available to test]

Therefore we must infer that Ageplay and gambling are prohibited by Linden Labs, but rape is OK between verified avatars. There is never any question of it being real, you can always log out.

Ummmm - "normal" is really nothing more than a cycle on my washing machine.

And many people are able to see violent images and not think that it is okay to go do it.

It is about raising people with proper values, morals, and respect for others - a proper sense of right and wrong. Just because some jerk see something violent in media and decides to replicate it, does not mean that it is the fault of the depiction.

People need to be accountable for their own actions and stop blaming outside influences.

Children are not the subject here. (=_=)

It's just pixels, roleplay, and fantasy. (=_=)

Fantasy | Reality
^^ Find the line. (=_=)

You are correct in this point and it is very unfortunate. Ditto on the aspect of men being raped. Most of society tends to concentrate on the things that are more common.

Oh stop. That' so Old School. Nobody thinks like that anymore.

but where would be the Dr Phil's, Oprahs, Politicans, et al if people couldn't blame their decisions on things that had nothing to do with it!

It's like that moron ex lawyer jack thompson, always blaming games for all of the stuff that happened.

Heh... I practically lose faith in humanity every time I hear Dr. Phil's voice. (=_=)

Gotta love people that make themselves appear to have common sense by surrounding themselves with sycophantic idiots on broadcast television. =^-^=

That didn't work for Jerry Springer.

My first lover was out cruising for sex with adults when he was around 15. He would have preferred guys closer to his own age, but back then, it was much safer for a gay kid to hang out with gay men than to make a pass at a schoolmate.

Was it rape? Legally, I think it was more likely against the general sodomy laws than against the age of consent back then. But in any sort of ethical sense, I don't buy it. There was no fallout, it's difficult to conceive of any sort of psychological or emotional damage that would come from consummating the sex act (as opposed to merely being a gay kid in a small town in a time of much less tolerance).

This is not to say it's ok for men to pursue kids, even sexually active teens. Neither do I think it was necessary for the guys there to card each other when it was obvious that their sole reason for being there was quickie sex. (I'm rather glad that such areas have been disapperaing, as it's much easier to be openly gay now.) I'm just pointing out that the subject is far too complicated for the sort of simple blanket statements that happen in these forums.

This x 10

i have been to a few support groups for reasons of my own..all i really felt was they made me feel more of a victim than i was before i went there..blame this blame that..
this caused you to do this because it's surfacing now..
you are like this now because this person did this to you when you were younger..
that is repressed memories trying to surface because of this incident jarring them lose..
your father may have been blame for that..
your mother doing this was not right and it is why you are so angry now..bla bla bla

all that was happening is i was being brainwashed that i had been a victim my whole life and that is just bullshit..it was like being kept a victim and only seeign a deeper black hole ..
it was getting where i was analyzing everyone and judging them by the way they looked around a room or fit certain profiles i made up in my head..
heck i even started lecturing my father..

finally he sat me down and really put it to me..for more than three hours he talked about things that were positive and showed where negatives no matter how bad led to a raod of positives..that things happen in our lives that are meant to put strength in us to help us survive the harder times to come..
he would say things like...when a person loses their site their other senses become stronger and they adapt..when a person loses a leg or an arm the other leg or arm becomes stronger..
but only if you use them..you can lay there and let others care for you or you can become stronger than you were when you were whole..
he ended it with..you can live your life weak and a victim and taken care of like a person in the old folks home or you can get on your feet become stronger and get on with your life getting past all this and using it for the positives to come..
nobody can do that for you but you..but just remember one thing..i am your Father and when someone says to you that i caused something bad in your life..you remember that i would die for you because i love you more than myself..now you think hard about today..

i felt ashamed for being led away from my father like that..
and i also feel grateful that i am in a good strong family..

i thought to myself ..nobody knows me better than my father and nobody cares about me more than him..so why let strangers mold me??

So i pretty much did what Chris was speaking about earlier..
Got a big dog that loves me and goes everywhere with me..sits next to me at work and claims shotgun in my jeep lol i'm on seat number 3 now lol

and a gun which i am allowed to carry on me at all times..mainly because i need one on the ranch anyways for snakes and cougars...but also to shoot the 3rd leg off anyone pulling in my driveway with a flag anywhere near half mast that's uninvited..

i'm sure someplace there are good support groups out there..i don't think they should be a sole support..i think if they are used it should be with family involvement that is going to strengthen support at home..not form a wedge..

The problem is that most people are hypocritical on these issues - or hold double standards. Many in this thread are swearing that 'rape RP' has nothing to do with RL rape and would never ever condone RL rape. They will also say that just because someone wants to RP the rape, it does not mean that they want to do that in RL. Yet almost all of those same people think that 'ageplay' is too much like RL pedophilia and think that if you want to do ageplay that it means you must want to have sex with kids in RL.


But who defines "decent"?



My view - do whatever you want as long as it truly only involves consenting adults.

You believe that "thumb" stuff also, huh?


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2550/does-rule-of-thumb-refer-to-an-old-law-permitting-wife-beating

http://www.canlaw.com/rights/thumbrul.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/rule-of-thumb

Ceka thanks for sharing. It is very important that we hear from people with RL experience and how SL does or does not effect them.

Sounds good, as long as they are able to distinguish between fantasy and reality.

If you read the entire article, as well as many like it, it will confirm that once upon a time in England a man could beat his wife, but the "stick no larger than a thumb" is not fact.

I would actually believe that -- many would not really believe the number of male rapes that happen in prisons.

If BOTH/ALL people involved are "CONSENTING ADULTS" I don't give a crap who calls it reality vs fantasy. My reality may be fantasy to some. My fantasies are likely realities to some.

I'm going to throw myself to the mod here, and say that although it is so tremendously beyond my comprehension, I do not disagree with mentally aware, consenting adults engaging in ageplay. But then, I might not be averse to a little post pubescent Catholic Schoolgirl rp with a willing, mature, partner. So I guess it depends where you draw the line.

If we censor fantasy, acted out in SL or RL (as a fantasy, not a gruesome reality), then we're merely censoring thought. Be it rape, ageplay, snuff or any other "extreme" fantasy, what that fantasy is is an inaccurate facsimile of a real situation, twisted and used to gain perverse pleasure. And you know what? So long as all people involved are gaining that pleasure, through being mentally (and legally) mature enough to understand it's fantasy and for pleasure, then it's nobody elses business. There's people in SL who take on the shape of a non human lifeform. This is also fantasy. There's those who like to pretend they're in a different period of history, or even a work of fiction. Fantasy again. But somehow this is OK, so long as they don't get their rocks off doing so. In fact, it's apparently OK to fantasise about murdering someone (any rp involving conflict), but not to fantasise about screwing them. It's a sick world we live in when depictions and enactments of pleasure between mentally understanding adults are shunned and yet enactments of torture and murder between the same adults is if anything condoned.






Usually the most morally bankrupt self serving scum you could ever have nightmares about...



QFT

My post isn't having a go at you, but you gave me an "in" to have a rant at those who choose to judge and condemn anyone who has a yearning to *play* at things outside the "accepted".

YES -- very good examples and descriptions of what I was attempting to get across.

" Maybe starting a string on rape might have served you better, rather than basically asking people what their sexual fantasies are and inferring they are somehow wrong. No wonder you're getting the reception you are.
Your also very one sided. Helps no one not even the victims you care for."

Thanks for that. I can only bow to your vast knowledge and experience on providing support..
And erm, nowhere did i ask anyone what their sexual fantasies are. I'll reciprocate your helpfulness with a tip: it's often useful to read or listen to what's been said or written before spouting forth with your responses.

"I wonder if the OP will support one known way to lower the number of actual rapes, namely allowing women easy access to and the right to carry firearms? "
Of course. Because answering violence with more violence is always the best way forward. Just ask George Bush.


"The numbers are hard to come by, but some sources believe that if you count prison rapes, males are raped more than women each year."
I'd be real interested to see those studies. Have you ever thought about being a researcher? You really do have the knack.

"And many people are able to see violent images and not think that it is okay to go do it.
It is about raising people with proper values, morals, and respect for others - a proper sense of right and wrong. Just because some jerk see something violent in media and decides to replicate it, does not mean that it is the fault of the depiction."
Again, if you look back at what I actually wrote you'll note that absolutely nowhere do I state that media is a sole influencing factor, only that it is a contributory factor along with primary and secondary socialisation.

"You will provide links to the first?"
No. I won't. Look it up yourself. And i'd encourage you to look beyond MRA websites. What I should have stated, however, was that the rule of thumb was common law.

Yes, those pesky jurors, believing the man over the woman, maybe we should jail them for not returning the "correct" verdict."
So with the conviction rate for rape in scotland standing at 2.9%, for example, all of the rest of those women are liars? And you would state that the attitudes of jurors have no part to play?

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Allen, D’Alessio, and Brezgel (1995a) examined the effects that exposure to pornography produced on aggressive behaviour under laboratory conditions. It included 30 papers, three of which reported two studies each, involving 2 011 individuals in total.
- consumption of material depicting non-violent sexual activity increased aggressive behaviour; and
-media depictions of violent sexual activity generated more aggression than those of non-violent sexual activity’

Donnerstein (1980) conducted an experiment designed to examine the effects of aggressive-erotic stimuli
on male aggression towards females. The study involved 120 male students and the extreme pornographic
material employed involved a graphic depiction of the rape of a woman at gunpoint (p 271). This study
found statistically significant increases in aggression towards women following exposure to depictions of
sexual aggression (p 274). Even non-angered subjects were aggressive towards the woman when she was
depicted as enjoying the experience of being raped.


Allen et al., (1995b) reviewed 24 studies with a total sample size of 4,268. These aimed
to test whether exposure to violent pornography under laboratory conditions was associated with increased acceptance of rape myths.
Included studies had to involve the use of a measure of some type of rape myth acceptance (RMA), i.e. an
examination of attitudes toward rape or the use of force against women in a sexual context. Examples of
RMA scales used in included studies were:
. ‘sexual callousness;
. attitudes towards inter-personal violence;
. adversarial sexual beliefs;
. perceptions of rape harm to victim;
. willingness to rape; or
. combinations of such scales’
This meta-analysis found that for the included experimental studies:
. violent pornography increased the acceptance of rape myths consistently in experimental settings across all included studies;
. non-violent pornography also increased rape myth acceptance; but violent pornography increased rape myth acceptance more than non-violent pornography


Malamuth (1981a) investigated rape fantasies as a function of exposure to sexually violent pornography with 29 male students who were initially classified on the basis of questionnaire responses as sexually force oriented or non-force oriented, then randomly assigned to exposure to rape or mutually consenting sexual material and subsequently asked to create their own fantasies. Self-reported sexual arousal during the fantasy period indicated that those who had been classified as force-oriented created more arousing
fantasies after having been exposed to the rape material, while those classified as non-force oriented created fantasies associated with the consensual sexual material. These findings were statistically signifi cant.
They also reported greater likelihood to commit rape and an increase in rape fantasies as measured by penile tumescence and self-report, irrespective of their force orientation

Malamuth, Haber and Feshbach (1980) explored the effects of exposure to sexual violence on 53 male and 38 female students’ reactions to rape by exposing them first to either a sadomasochistic or a non-violent version of the same sexual passage and then to a portrayal of rape at knife point with threats to cut the victim (p 124).
The study found a statistically significant ‘proclivity to rape’ amongst male subjects based on their perceptions of the victim’s pain. There was a significant correlation between self-reported tendency to commit rape and sexual arousal to both the sado masochism and the rape depictions. Fifty-one per cent of the male subjects said there was some likelihood they would do what was depicted if they could be sure of
getting away with it, and 17 per cent would do so without that assurance (p 121).

Check and Guloien (1989) compared the effects of exposure to pornography defined as sexually explicit material which is violent (woman portrayed as enjoying rape) or non-violent but dehumanising and degrading, or non-violent and non-degrading on 117 male college students and 319 male non-student city residents.
Statistically significant differences were found between subjects exposed to violent, and
dehumanising pornography and subjects in the no-exposure condition, in terms of reported likelihood of rape and likelihood of forcing a woman into unwanted sex acts, with more than twice as many men in the exposure group reporting this. Interaction tests revealed that these effects occurred primarily for high P psychoticism] scorers. High P scorers in general were also found to be ‘more accepting of rape myths,
have higher reported likelihoods of raping and forcing women into unwanted sex acts, and reported actually committing more acts of sexual aggression than did low P scorers’

Malamuth and Check (1980a) investigated sexual arousal to rape as a function of the victim’s perceived reactions with 75 male students. A rape portrayal in which the assailant perceived that the victim became sexually aroused was found to result in high sexual arousal (as indicated by penile tumescence) in comparison to a rape emphasising the victim’s abhorrence of the assault. These findings were statistically
significant with sixty-eight per cent of the sample reporting ‘they would act as the rapist did if they could be assured of not being punished

Malamuth, Heim and Feshbach (1980) found that when the rape victim was depicted experiencing an involuntary orgasm the 135 male college students reported relatively high levels of sexual arousal. They concluded that ‘the elicitation of sexual arousal within a violent context may result in a conditioning process whereby violent acts become associated with sexual pleasure, a highly powerful unconditioned stimulus and
reinforcer which could possibly lead to changes in behaviour’

hbuchi, Ikeda and Takeuchi (1994) found in a sample of 72 male students that those with a high rape proclivity strongly believed rape myths such as women desire to be raped and enjoy it. A study by Norris et al. (1999) involving 119 males recruited from the local community found that a combination of ‘hyper-masculinity’ and alcohol consumption under laboratory conditions interacted with a rape myth text of a woman portrayed
consuming alcohol and experiencing pleasure being raped. This combination of factors acted to reduce subjects’ empathy for the rape victim. In both of these studies the effects were statistically significant.

The two meta-analyses by Allen et al. (1995a and 1995b) found statistically significant negative effects associated with both sexually violent and non-violent material including sexual callousness, adversarial sexual beliefs, perceptions of harm to rape victims and self-reported willingness to rape (Allen, D’Alessio and Brezgel 1995a, p 271; Allen et al., 1995b, p 21). This was also found in the three further meta-analyses
summarised later in this report: Allen, D’Alessio and Emmers-Sommers, 1999 pp. 42-44) on sex offenders; Oddone-Paolucci et al (2000 pp 52-53) on all pornography published between 1962 and 1995; and Hald et al., (2006 p 36) on non-experimental studies.


Zillmann and Bryant (1982) found in a sample of 80 male and 80 female students, a statistically significant association between exposure to pornographic material and the trivialisation of rape (recommendations of significantly shorter prison terms for rapists) and a process of desensitisation resulting in increased male sexual callousness towards women. Milburn, Mather and Conrad (2000) examined the effects of exposure to non-violent pornographic material on the effects of exposure to sexually violent pornographic material with 137 male and female students and found that males who previously viewed the sexually objectifying material felt that the victim in the date rape scenario experienced pleasure and ‘got what she wanted’ (p 645). These findings were statistically significant.


The REA identified five surveys of a total of 3786 male students, all of which involved at least some extreme pornographic material. Three compared the effects between pornographic material depicting explicit serious sexual violence and explicit serious violence in a sexual context, and non-extreme material.

In these studies extreme pornographic material included: rape involving both physical and sexual violence (Garcia, 1986, pp 379-380); violent [material] (which included bondage, torture and mutilation, and whipping, spanking or beating) and sexually violent rape and gang rape (Demaré, Briere and Lips, 1988, pp 143-144); and ‘material depicting bondage, whipping and spanking without an explicit lack of consent [and] … rape in
which force is used and there is an explicit lack of consent’ (Boeringer, 1994, p 291).
These studies found statistically significant correlations between exposure to sexually violent material of this nature amongst these samples and pro-rape attitudes and rape proclivity. Garcia (1986) found in a sample of 115 male students that ‘correlations with the attitude towards rape measures were statistically signifi cant and consistent with the idea that subjects with greater exposure to violent sexual materials endorsed beliefs that
can be classified as a pro-rape orientation to a greater extent than subjects not exposed as much to these stimuli’ (p 383).


Demaré, Briere and Lips (198 found in a sample of 222 male students that 27 per cent reported a likelihood of raping or using force against a woman, and that ‘the use of sexually violent pornography and acceptance of interpersonal violence against women were uniquely associated with self-reported likelihood of using force or rape’ (p 140). These findings were statistically significant.


In the retrospective self-completion questionnaire survey conducted by Boeringer (1994) subjects included 477 male students. This study found 48 per cent reporting self-reported likelihood of rape. It also found that the majority had previously used verbal coercion to obtain sex, one-quarter had used alcohol or drugs to do this, and nearly one in ten had used force or threats of force (p 293)…with the group reporting high exposure to extreme pornographic material being six times more likely to report rape behaviour (p 297). The
study concluded that ‘overall exposure to sexually explicit materials appears to be a significant correlate with sexual aggression and rape proclivity…Higher exposure to pornography depicting violent rape behaviour appeared to be significantly related to both engaging in sexual aggression and believing oneself capable or likely to engage in sexual aggression…Violent pornography was also correlated with coercive sexuality
and use of rape pornography was correlated with use of drugs or alcohol to obtain sex’. These fi ndings were statistically significant.


Hald et al. (2006) found ‘an overall significant relationship between ASV (Attitudes Supporting Violence Against Women) and pornography consumption’, with the strongest association between pornography consumption and attitudes supporting sexual violence against women occurring with those known to be already at high risk of sexual aggression’


Sommers and Check (1987) surveyed 21 battered women from a shelter and a comparison group of 21 women from the university to investigate the role of pornography in the physical abuse of women. They found the partners of the battered women read or viewed
significantly greater amounts of pornographic materials than the partners of the comparison group, and the ‘battered women experienced significantly more sexual aggression at the hands of their partners than did women in the comparison group’ (p 189).

Cramer et al. (199 conducted a prospective cohort study of 198 women attending a public clinic who were pregnant and reported having been abused by their male partner in the year prior to or during pregnancy.
Almost 41 per cent indicated that their abusers used sexually violent pornography, and the severity of violence used against women was highest for those women who reported that the abuser asked or forced them to look at, act out or pose for pornographic pictures (p 329).

Cramer and McFarlane (1994) conducted a survey of 87 ‘battered women filing charges against their male partner at the district attorney’s office in a large metropolitan city’ (pp 268-272). Pornographic material involved rape with physical violence. The study found a statistically significant association between men’s use of violent pornography and physical [and sexual] abuse of women (p 271).

Silbert and Pines (1984) conducted a survey with 200 street prostitutes. Pornographic material included snuff (i.e. sexual murder) and rape with extreme physical and sexual violence. Out of 193 cases of rape, 24 per cent of victims mentioned allusions to pornographic material on the part of the rapist [who typically] referred
to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed the rape but also the extreme violence.

These studies of women’s real life victimisation associated with men’s use of sexually violent pornography corroborate the findings of the experimental studies and the case study with sex offenders about the role of pornography in their offending behaviour. The difference is that the men in these studies were not a sample of convicted sex offenders, but partners of women purposively sampled through community settings.



The findings from experimental research of pornography effects with both offender and non-offender (or offender status not known, presumed to be non-offender) men are corroborated by non-experimental studies.
Surveys of men found correlations between exposure to violent sexual materials and:
. pro-rape attitudes;
. self-reported likelihood to rape or to use force;
. acceptance of rape myths; 
. acceptance of interpersonal violence against women; and
. actual rape in previous acts of sexual aggression, including rape with physical aggression.

The effects were most adverse for men with a predisposition to aggression.

Altogether the research reviewed in this report provides evidence of the negative psychological, attitudinal and behavioural effects on adults who access this material. These include (for men):
. physiological arousal (which conditions desire and orgasm to the content of the extreme pornographic material involved);
. psychological desensitisation, habituation and satiation leading to:
- beliefs that women enjoy or desire rape;
- lack of empathy with rape victims;
- a preference for more extreme material;
. attitudinal effects:
- rape myth acceptance;
- pro-rape attitudes;
- self-reported likelihood to use force or to rape;


Itzin (2002) concluded that:

‘the problem of pornography is that it corrupts not morals, but desire. It is the fusion of sexual arousal and orgasm with physical and/or sexual violence against women, and their objectification, commoditisation, dehumanisation, degradation and subordination which is both intrinsically and instrumentally the harm of pornography’ (p 23).




To Ledoof:

The studies you cite above all talk about the male response to pornography and an increased tendency towards callousness, violence, etc., towards women. I noticed however, that in some studies, they also involved women and showed them the same types of pornography that they showed men.

Where are the statistics about female attitudes about sexuality? Women were surveyed too. How many women surveyed expressed some kind of desire to engage in such activities as the "victim"? How many expressed a desire to treat men the way the men desired to treat women?

All your information presented further supports the belief that your entire point is to be anti-male specifically. That won't get you taken seriously by a whole lot of people.