No use - he likes when women glare at him. Lol.
Heh.
He's just fortunate that I've been bound, gagged, and held back by Brenda and Treasure . . .
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Scylla Rhiadra
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08-28-2009 10:10
Heh. He's just fortunate that I've been bound, gagged, and held back by Brenda and Treasure . . . _____________________
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 10:11
Ugh - next he'll want pix.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-28-2009 10:13
Ugh - next he'll want pix. Pep (A picture is worth a thousand words; inconsequential, meaningless words, that is.) _____________________
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Treasure Ballinger
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08-28-2009 10:17
Heh. He's just fortunate that I've been bound, gagged, and held back by Brenda and Treasure . . . And even with all that, you are still here, like passing a traffic accident, just can't look away, eh? Well at least you haven't immersed, there's something to be said for the fact that you are chatting in the mundane.......I'm impressed at your discipline, to be right here and not jumping in. Kudos..... |
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Smith Peel
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08-28-2009 10:17
He's just fortunate that I've been bound, gagged, and held back by Brenda and Treasure . . . TP please! _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
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08-28-2009 10:21
Yes, I am very proud of myself actually! Despite the fact that the post that resurrected this thread is full of reductive arguments that I could reduce to a heap of matchsticks if I so chose. This tendency to simplify the notion of "consent" in SL to a simple . . .
 It's true. Once an addict, always an addict . . .  TP please! Oh shush you. Nothing happening here, move along please! _____________________
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 10:24
Pep (A picture is worth a thousand words; inconsequential, meaningless words, that is.) (Imaginary) Photojournalists (somehow reading an SL thread) just got a bit upset with you. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-28-2009 10:25
(Imaginary) Photojournalists (somehow reading an SL thread) just got a bit upset with you. Pep (Well, someone has to inform the illiterates of what is happening in the world, I suppose. Badly. Probably using Photoshop.) _____________________
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 10:27
Since I am illiterate in all languages except two - for that invention I am grateful.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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08-28-2009 10:30
I think you stated the intrinsic oxymoron quite succinctly. Pep (Well, someone has to inform the illiterates of what is happening in the world, I suppose. Badly. Probably using Photoshop.) You know, though . . . Treasure is right. We should let this thread slip right off the page again. It's a bit like chatting while sitting on a large unexploded bomb. Or exchanging bon mots while swimming in a toxic spill. Pep, be a dear and go crush people beneath your chariot wheels on some other thread? Thanks!  _____________________
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Treasure Ballinger
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08-28-2009 10:37
You know, though . . . Treasure is right. We should let this thread slip right off the page again. It's a bit like chatting while sitting on a large unexploded bomb. Or exchanging bon mots while swimming in a toxic spill. Pep, be a dear and go crush people beneath your chariot wheels on some other thread? Thanks! This bomb is not 'unexploded'. It exploded months ago, and has been duct taped lightly back together, and dug out of the landfill, and set gingerly on the first page of the forums, to see if anyone will bite. If we don't bite it will go away...yet again.... |
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 10:56
Badly. Probably using Photoshop.) I guess I should wait longer if I choose to reply to a Pep post because you often seem to add in a bit more quip. This was not there when I replied, and I think it makes a small difference. Not implying anything, just noting. _____________________
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Maggie McArdle
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08-28-2009 13:24
The thumb rule was never really a rule, or a law. It was a tolerated practice at one time no doubt, it's use was discressionary. Using the word "property" to describe womens status at that time is a misnomer at best. They were "overseen" by their husbands, yes.. just like children were because at that time the husband was liable for her actions, just as he was for the childs... and just like parents still are nowdays. Attitudes did shift, they moved to making it a crime to beat women, serious crime at that. That is hardly a prize to snatch and hold up to the world as "proof" and justification of your cause. It's no mystery WHY it's referrenced by feminist rights groups, or why it's a favorite ploy to throw that out as some kind of proof of prevailing attitudes. Those ancient attitudes are long since dead and are moot here in 2009. It's also no secret that feminist groups like to dig, argue, and agitate people until they get a trite frustrated reply. Then take pieces of that reply, put it together and make false inferrences about people's attitudes as applies to their cause. Boring.. Wait.. HOW many studies were done to find out that women are more emotional and more emotionally affected by most things than men? Duh? Women processing things to a deeper emotional level than men can be proven for nearly anything.. that's what we do. Bring the money for the next "ground breaking" study to me here at home on the 14th, I'll give you undeniable proof that we're more emotional.. You pick the month  this^^^. and passes Dana a bowl of Autumn Treat Ice Cream. _____________________
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Gavin Hird
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08-28-2009 13:34
In some countries, including my own, Britain, the depiction of extreme sexual violence, whether real or simulated, is now illegal. Then you as a UK citizen must make sure you don't engage in it. Since SL is a global audience, it is up to each resident to behave in accordance with own local legislation. Linden Lab must run the company in accordance with the legislation in the countries where they are represented. ...and since there is a UK office and subsidiary, there could potentially be an issue there – just like there is with depiction of kid avatars around sexual content according to UK legislation. |
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 13:52
Linden Lab must run the company in accordance with the legislation in the countries where they are represented. Not feasible, perhaps not even possible. LL is an American-based corporation and the rules reflect American laws. If they employ people in other countries, what occurs in those workplaces is subject to that nation's laws. _____________________
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Gavin Hird
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08-28-2009 14:19
Not feasible, perhaps not even possible. LL is an American-based corporation and the rules reflect American laws. If they employ people in other countries, what occurs in those workplaces is subject to that nation's laws. Ask Microsoft about that. They operated according to the same thinking it seemed. I believe they have experienced what it means not to operate in accordance with EU legislation (being slapt with a very significant fine.) The moment you register a subsidiary in another country, the subsidiary must operate in accordance with the local legislation. Meaning there may be parts of the service or content that cannot be offered in that country if it is in violation of the local legislation. One example of this (and it is not a very good example because it is more due to local distribution rights) is the iTunes Music store, which offers vastly different content depending on country. Now, how you in reality go about regulating this inside SL is a completely different issue. |
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Chris Norse
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08-28-2009 14:54
Ask Microsoft about that. They operated according to the same thinking it seemed. I believe they have experienced what it means not to operate in accordance with EU legislation (being slapt with a very significant fine.) /QUOTE] Another case of government hurting everyone, yet people still want to keep giving them power. _____________________
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Innula Zenovka
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08-28-2009 14:59
It's not quite the same thing, Gavin, and it very much depends on the particular law you're breaking. Microsoft, if it's the example of which I'm thinking, ran into problems with EU tax law (supplying software online from outside the EU to EU destinations and not charging VAT). The relevant UK law to which I think Conifer alluded -- if it's the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 -- covers possession of an "extreme pornographic image," and, unless it were alleged Linden Labs' UK employees happened to have such images on their PCs, I don't see how LL could be involved since -- unlike offenses involving child pornography -- it's territorial in scope; you have to commit the offence in the UK to be caught by the legislation.
In any event, one of the elements of the offence (part 5 of the Act, 63.7) is that "a reasonable person looking at the image would think" any person or animal portrayed in it "was real," so it doesn't really apply to SL. See http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/docs/further-information-on-extreme-pornographic-images.pdf and http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080004_en_9#pt5-pb1-l1g63 |
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-28-2009 15:01
Didn't that have to do with how they sold their product.
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Kidd Krasner
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08-28-2009 15:14
Ask Microsoft about that. They operated according to the same thinking it seemed. I believe they have experienced what it means not to operate in accordance with EU legislation (being slapt with a very significant fine.) /QUOTE] Another case of government hurting everyone, yet people still want to keep giving them power. I'm sure there are good examples of governments hurting everyone, but slapping Microsoft with a large fine isn't one. |