does anyone know the LL position on depictions of sexual violence?

Where's Garp when you need him? (^_^)

this smells like a cleverly disguised "research paper" questionnaire.

Nah, looks more like a sincere attempt to whip up some good old fashioned "men are the problem, they're all a bunch of brutes and potential rapists and this must be banned for the good of all womyn!" outrage based on her emphasis on the male mindset involved, only it backfired badly when the female side came to the defense of their own fantasies. (And before anyone accuses me of condoning rape, I'll just note that I've been involved with a few women in SL that wanted to pursue this sort of thing and my reaction has always been, "You want me to do WHAT?" and I wanted no part of it. So there. Gender stereotype fails, yet again.)

it isn't just guys that raeps...

Take it from a kani bunneh boi... womens are far more insistent than the guys! >.<

/me gives Immy two thumbs up!!

You can probably find a sim for that thug fantasy you're supressing

Figures that a raving feminazi wants to come here and rape the grid with her opressive attitudes.

Anti sex league? Feminazi? Wanting to punch me in the eye? Did no one ever teach you to play nice?

Taunts are an oft used silencing tactic, particularly when it comes to any perceived threats to the right to a guilt free wank. It seems to happen quite regularly that people shouting from the roof tops about free speech are the one's trying to shut up the voices that disagree with them. Usually using the tactics above.

I posed a question here because I genuinely do not know Linden Labs position on depictions of rape and sexual violence. They seemed to have indicated previously that it is not permitted but the existence of areas such as hard alley, rape a bitch, dirty basement - fuck the dirty whores, slut warehouse, force park, human trafficking mansion and the rape co-ordination department would seem to indicate otherwise. Ideally, I'd like people to just consider an alternative point of view to the 'it's only pixels' and 'keep your hands off my rape porn you right wing religious fundamentalist wingnut' arguments. Let me reiterate
we’re not talking about a simplistic equation of rape role play = real rape or use of rape pornography being a sole causal factor of real acts of sexual violence; rather, I want to highlight the impact of the proliferation of sexually violent materials in terms of normalisation, sex and sexual violence conflation, undermining of the seriousness of sexual violence and the general influencing of values and attitudes about women and violence against women.

If you think that media has no influence at all on values, attitudes and behaviours how do you explain the success of the advertising industry (oh i know, it doesn't work with YOU just on every other sucker)? Why do you think that the conviction rate for rape in the uk is 6.5%? It's not that all those women are lying is it? Maybe it partly comes down to values and attitudes?

ps i'm neither right wing nor religious nor am i anti-sex (tired, old, lazy 'argument') i'd argue that i'm not a wingnut either.

pornography is a left issue:
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/4868

The normalise argument is moral minority hand wringing. What you seem to be arguing is a very common, and so "normal" fantasy, held frequently *by* women who *want* to play victim, should be treated with contempt so keeping anyone with these secret fantasies in a state of personal shame. People who enter the areas you've mentioned in SL are there out of their own choice, but none of them are advocating real, loathesome, abominable *real* rape as something we should accept in normal society.

I can understand the appeal of the rape fantasy - It gives the victim the chance to drop their inhibitions and be truly sexual without fear of guilt for giving into lust. It gives the aggressor the opportunity to push the limits of what they can do sexually without fear of breaking the mood. It gives both partners the ability to safely explore their sexuality, and both should be aware of the needs of the other.

But how does one safely play out a rape fantasy? Well, if you can enjoy self stimulation physically, and pixel and word stimulation mentally, then you can't get much safer than a medium such as SL. Don't even need a safe word, you can just TP or even hit quit. You're not going to find any physical reminders the next morning other than those you inflicted on yourself. You're not going to have uncomfortable moments with your partner over breakfast.

I'm certainly not interested in playing out this fantasy myself, or at least definitely not as the aggressor. I simply don't have the desire or ability. Victim might be interesting, but I guess as a straight man you have no consideration of saving me from myself because I have a curiosity of that ilk buried deep in my mind.

Well said! The day we criminalise a consenting adult sexuality we've fallen back into the dark ages. The shaming of them by others who think they have the right to dictate to consensual adults what they do with their personal sexuality is bad enough.

This is exactly where I think the left/right political spectrum fails. You go far enough in either direction and you end up with 2 groups with wildly different motivations but amusingly similar goals: convincing the great unwashed masses that only they know best and therefore must be in control, inconvenient personal freedoms be damned as they're merely obstacles in the way of their revolution. That you're attempting to justify censorship by wrapping yourself in the mantle of the "intellectual" radical left is stunningly myopic as you are absolutely no better than someone attempting to do the same from the religious radical right.

I agree, I've always thought people are probably pretty decent if just left the hell alone.

My agenda is to stop violence against women and to challenge the attitudes that promote and legitimise it.
There have been no responses to the points i've raised so far, only personal (and misinformed and epic fail scale wrong assumptions) attacks and a few libertarian wishy washy cliches.

Sexuality doesn't magically appear, it's a product of our socialisation and experiences. No one pops out of the womb with a foot fetish so what leads us there? It's also a compex area for lots of women and I'm afraid - again - you've got me wrong in terms of trying to shame anyone. Are you saying that stating an opinion automatically equals shaming? Women are not immune to the cultural bombardment of messages about our bodies and our desires and I'm not going to apologise for challenging that and the oozing misogyny of the places in SL that I mentioned in my previous post.

As far as the dark ages.. you're right. This place is awash with neanderthals.

You'd do better addressing the real world then. Where it is actually physically happening.


There's many conclusions on this, not just yours. Obviously some disagree with you.


And men.


When you're claiming that consensual adults are inherently "wrong" to r/p their more abstract fantasies, then yes.


I think you'll find that societies that treasure choice are far from neanderthal. It's the ones that enforce morality on personal adult consensual sexuality are the ones still in the dark ages.

you really think that sexuality is socialized and not natural?

that if two people were somehow stranded on an island as children and somehow survived to their teens male and female that their natural instincts to be sexual would not appear?
that they would only walk up procreate and go back to looking for clams?

what is going to happen is they are going to start to notice changes in each other and hormones are going to start flowing from everywhere and attraction is going to start ..and then imagination is going to be playing out scenarios..

one of two things are going to happen..they are either going to have it happen willingly or one is going to have it happen to them...

just like it happens with so many other animal species on the planet and the way it happened back when men were claiming mates since we came into existence..

these fantasies could be no more than answering a call of the wild side in us all..

fantasies and sexuality and imagination have always been in humans..socialized or not..

Sexuality is a product of being living beings on earth. Enjoying and exploring sexuality in various ways exists in quite a few spans of the animal kingdom. Virtualizing these sexual pleasures is very human and a product of both capability and desire. (^_^)

Fantasy | Reality
^^ Find the line. =^-^=

I will be devastated if a person rapes me in RL but, between me and my partner, we'll play the roles in fantasy. Same goes in SL, even moreso. In the end, it's just pixels. (^_^)y

There is a big difference between rape in a concensual scene, it's not rape. It's acting out a willing fantasy.

In such a scene especially in SL the 'poor victim' actually has all the power where in an actual rape it is the attacker who has the power.

In the dark ages it was common to send women off to a nunnery if they started to get curious about sexuality... so it wasn't society that controlled their sexuality it was nature.

Society simply results in certain things being termed deviant or dispicable by those that don't understand or consider them enjoyable.

Ask 100 people on the street what they think about oral sex... by any combination of man and women. Odds are you will get quite a few different answers. I think (or hope) you would get the proper one... : It may not be for everyone, but as long as both are willing who cares what people do as long as nobody gets hurt.

I used to be one of those that was against this and that because it's what I was told was right... now I loathe those that try and force their dislikes on others under the quise of morality.

You do not like it when people role play a safe fun scene, and that does not make it something to be banned under psudo-moral objections that really boil down to how you feel.

I think that is why I like the furs once I actually got to know them... most don't care about what others enjoy. What would get you teased or worse is taken in stride as long as it don't cause harm to others... not to say other groups are not as open about acceptance.

That is the thing, every psudo-scientific study on how this or that type of role-play leads to X never consider how it might prevent X by allowing someone to act out in a virtual situation versus only having the option of doing it for real. There is also little research that even attempts to figure out if one that does it for real would or would not have after the virtual acting out.

It's usually just openly biased reports trying to pass off personal beliefs as resons for moral outrage.

I'd be more concerned with the ones trying to force their beliefs onto others rather than simply accept that some people are different in their beliefs (and sexuality, or what have you)

So the question is: When did you get to decide the morals of this society based on your feelings? When this thread shows most do not share your feelings.

This right here is your problem. You have no right to impose YOUR agenda on anyone else for any reason. Debate, fine. Discuss, great. Convince, wonderful. Impose, HELL NO.

What sorts of scenarios would they imagine, though, if neither teen had ever been exposed to a violent sexual community? If they didn't know that rape exists? Would they create violence where none existed before?

thats not what i was saying..i was saying something would be going through their mind..it didn't have to be violent..
i am saying imagination and sexuality are not something given to us by society..
anything with a guilty thought tied to it has..

just making a plan to have a mate in a situation like that is imagination at work.
it doesn't have to be a plan to capture them and take them or to hand them a gift to start some ritual..sexuality is one trying to attract another and that's in every species on the planet pretty much..
imagination i can't say dogs have it or parrots..i know humans do..we plan things out..
good and bad are the gifts of society.not the gifts of nature..

They very well might. Violence, lust, envy are all natural parts of the human animal.

Well... They probably couldn't put a word to it, but, eventually there may be a moment when one says "Not tonight", the other says "Bulls***", and drama ensues. Violence also naturally exists in nearly all facets of nature. (^_^)

To the OP,

Getting a straight answer out of LL about rules.....

Maybe you should spend your time, when you are at these RP sims, talking to the "victims", ask the same question you've asked here.
I think you will be very surprised at the responses you will get.

It's pretty much impossible not to have SSC in SL.

Yeah, something like "mute/eject/ban" comes to mind.

Wow.



And occasionally, the tragically misinformed shows up.