Rates go bye bye

Let me ask you this.....

What harm would it do you if I got a refund?

I honestly believed I was doing something good. I never thought of a refund until I saw that in addition to the expected rate cuts, they also cut the amount of giving. I feel like my ratings I have given out were in vain.

Magnum, you did do something good - if you felt good about giving the ratings, and made someone happy, that was the good thing. Why do you now deserve a refund for it? It doesn't make sense - the person got the rating, it served its purpose.

I am going to try to answer. And use this to explain my answer.

The ratings I gave out are like someone giving money to a building fund over a long peroid of time. They do not expect to see a return on this. Then one day this person learned that the money was instead being sent to fund the war on Iraq. And then the person who gave the money demanded it back.

Thats the best I can do

LOL! That cheered me up no end. Thanks for that analogy. The Lindens have said that the ratings system is intended to be one of the largest economic money sinks. You will not be getting a refund. End of story.

Maybe a better way of saying this, Is the person gives money into a building fund, expecting the building to be there forever and then one day they remove the building and put in a parking lot. The person who was funding the origional building now wants all the money he put in it back because he expected the building to have a 100 year lifespan and instead after only a year it was destroyed

Is this what you want or what the Lindens have said?

does the person who was funding the original building have a contract that says the building will have a 100 year lifespan or did he agree to a ToS agreement that said that the that the building could be destroyed whenever the other person pleases?

Actually the building did not have anything like a contract or a tos. It was a huge structure, solidly built and was making so much money that lines streached out of town. Then one day it was totally gone replaced by a parking lot

Magnum,

Let's follow your suggestion out.

Let's assume LL refunded the 1L$ rates because they were given under the assumption that the ratings were permanent.

If you refund the rates, then the effects of those ratings should be recalled, too. So, anyone who received additional stipend because of your rates should have that amount deducted from them.

Is this what you want? Because if you're negating your old rates, that's what a full negation would be.

So... if you rated my build today and I tore it down tomorrow, is it abuse? Can you call a Linden on me for fraud?

You know the temporary nature of Second Life. You rate someone today, they quit tomorrow. Should you get your money back because it was wasted? No.

When you rated people, up til now, you KNEW you were not going to get that money back. You ACCEPTED that you were not going to get that money back. You did it because you wanted to.

You have absolutely no justification for wanting that money back.

On the one hand, sure, you can say the Lindens have made your ratings temporary and you didnt know that. That seems to be your justification for wanting it back as far as I can see?

On the other hand, I could say you're just trying to scam the Lindens out of some cash now that you see an opportunity to bitch about it.

Like I said, ratings is and always was a money sink. You wont be getting it back.... no matter how many threads you start, how many times you cry about it, or how many times you get deeply offended by people telling it like it is.

And guess what? I actually think the new rating system decay is actually even better! I love it! Ya know why? Because far too many people were sitting out there doing absolutely nothing, resting on their laurels for the one thing they did a year ago that was worthwhile and expecting their rates to speak for themselves.

Well now you have to EARN your rates and be consistently worthy of them. Which makes them meaningful! Finally! Woohoo!

I give up. I see I can't win this.

No my example was totally fictional. Had no bearing on Second Life or the Real World. I thought it would explain my view but it did not. And too many people feel that they should not get a refund so I am going to stop fighting this.

so? who cares? where's the contract?

It was just an example and it did not work.

I find it interesting that this is pretty much what I said, and insteady I get attacked while you all have a nice decussion.

IMO I feel that all the ratings should be wiped completely. It is not fair all these TSO'ers that came into SL recently have 1000+ ratings and get to keep them. It is total BULLSHIT!! I think the Lindens should recognize who has give LL a name. It is the old timers not the newbie, ghettofabulous, blinding bling bling ppl. It just fuckin' baffles me.

Pfffffft. Just HOW Fetid and Inner in the Core are you, Paris?

Very..

Well Stated,

Funny, you know Hiro sometimes I wanna just choke the shit out of you for some of the shit you post. But, there are other times like this that I can see that you see the light at the end of the tunnel too.

Shadow

Actually Paris, I think they are trying to run us old feted out on a rail. Only thing is I keep pushing the fly button so my ass doesnt get magnatized to the rail..LOL

Shadow

THIS SHIT IS SO POINTLESS! JUST ERASE THEM ALL! FUCK YOU LINDENS FOR IMPLEMENTING SUCH A SILLY POINTLESS CHANGE TO THE RATINGS SYSTEM! Sometimes I really wonder what drives you people. We have open dialogue about changes and you fucking ignore our collective voice MOST of the time. Show some respect to the people who have given you a job! Regardless of your claim about newer ratings meaning more, which is just retarded, all my old ratings meant SOMETHING and FUCK YOU FOR ERASING THEM!

SO true Shadow. I never had any discontent with LL but right now I do. I think its bc we bitch too much and LL is getting sick of us.

This is the stupidest thing I have heard yet in my mid-midbeeness. I am ashamed that I will still have ratings when most of my friends who are much deeper innerly cored will look like hermit recluses. Linden's I told you in the multi threads that abounded to zero everyone out. Damn now look what you've done. Where is the justice. This is senseless and provides the miners (o) a false representation and further quagmires the ridiculous system. WTG (not).

Actually Paris I think its because a lot of us tell the truth and you know the old saying ..."The Truth Hurts"...anyway Rate Whores won this round.

But, Im telling ya they better start saving that Rate money they are getting over the next six months and get busy whoring or in six months they will be broke....

What does that mean for Retailers....
Broke Rate Whores=No Sales
Broke Rate Whores=Members Leaving
Broke Rate Whores=Cheap Land..LOL
Broke Rate Whores=Thievery...the click click click pay $1 to attempt to get something for nearly nothing on the rise already.

But then again, I could be wrong....

Shadow

Agreed! Just wipe out the whole thing damn!! This isn't fair to those ahead of us. If your going to wipe out the history, then wipe out the whole thing!!!

Midbee's Unite!!!!

Huggerz,
MJ