Exploitation by Clubs of SL Prostitutes
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-21-2004 06:24
From: Camille Serpentine I believe you are exploiting the people reading the forums.
Clearly you have a personal agenda and will not let it rest until every agrees with every convoluted point you think you make.
You bullying people by slamming any comments in this thread which you feel don't get your point.
Maybe you should clearly (beyond what you've attempted so far) state what you are trying to express with this thread. And yes I have read the whole thing.
To say people are being exploited without specific examples and then jump on people in those situations who disagree with you is antagonistic and shows you don't really want other opinions just people to read your thread and leave it at that.
We are all being exploited in SL if we go by your above example. LL labs sells Secondlife with examples of in-game content, which the majority of was made by Secondlife residents who do not benefit from it. People also stay in the game based on the in-world content that appeals to them.
If you really think there is a problem, work to solve it, don't lambast every person who states a contrary or dissimilar opinion. I'll try and say this nicely. There were specific examples. Read the thread. Bye.
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-21-2004 06:28
From: Maximus Rebus But I offered a point of view that was unique to the thread, and your only rebuttal was to accuse me of not reading previous posts. And despite your pleas that no one else be heard from, I reserve the right to defend myself against a blanket accusation against a class of which I am a member. So you're saying you're judging the whole thread on nothing but literally a handful of words, rather than ALL the content in the thread? My rebuttal to ideas expressed have been civil. I told you to read the thread because people said the same thing as you did, and I replied to them politely, and yet instead of a simple "I disagree / agree" and explaining why, you lambasted me with a personal attack. Furthermore, I have a right to offer a rebuttal to anything I want. It's called a discussion. It means that You, Max, can't simply post something and then expect it to go unchallenged. As for challenges to me, I have answered every one.
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Willow Zander
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Hirrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooo!
10-21-2004 06:29
HIRO... LEAVE THE GODDAM THREAD ALONE DUDE!!! read another thread read another thread read another thread... OR... www.bash.orgor READ ANOTHER THREAD, START ANOTHER THREAD, HIJACK ANOTHER THREAD.... start a thread about ending threads that are dead.... that would be cool 
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-21-2004 06:33
From: Willow Zander HIRO...
READ ANOTHER THREAD, START ANOTHER THREAD, HIJACK ANOTHER THREAD....
I have, Willow. Sadly, people have gotten emotional over a controversial issue, misread my comments, guessed at some heinous agenda (i mean, wtf?), personally attacked me, when they could have simply discussed their opinions civilly. I have asked the Lindens, for a second time, that this thread be closed. Korg, I've also reported your thread as abusive in your personal attacks. Continue and I will continue to report you and the abuse reports will stack up.
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Willow Zander
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10-21-2004 06:35
awwwww i wasnt REALLY shouting at you *hugs* I guess even i can't lighten up this thread anymore 
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Siobhan Taylor
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10-21-2004 06:37
From: Willow Zander I guess even i can't lighten up this thread anymore Aww hun, your very presence lightens up a thread, as I'm sure Kris will agree... 
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Willow Zander
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10-21-2004 06:39
*does the woot siobhan likes me dance* 
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Kris Ritter
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10-21-2004 06:41
From: Siobhan Taylor Aww hun, your very presence lightens up a thread, as I'm sure Kris will agree... Yes. Although right now, being trapped under my desk - because of her negligence - while she licks goo out of the bin, I have to say she can be a bit of a PITA too. And possibly, just maybe, a little overly obsessed with all things gooey. |
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Korg Stygian
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10-21-2004 06:46
From: Hiro Pendragon Korg, I've also reported your thread as abusive in your personal attacks. Continue and I will continue to report you and the abuse reports will stack up. /me offers Hiro a "wubbie" to cuddle. |
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
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10-21-2004 06:52
*helps kris lift the desk off her*
and i am SO obsessed... erm add a not to that
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Shadow Weaver
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10-21-2004 06:56
Ok, one dumb question? How in the name of hades can you exploit a willing participant.
#1 Willing Participant = No explotation
#2 Men are always willing = See #1
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Willow Zander
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10-21-2004 06:58
*puts fingers in her ears and covers her eyes*
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-21-2004 06:59
From: Shadow Weaver Ok, one dumb question? How in the name of hades can you exploit a willing participant.
#1 Willing Participant = No explotation
#2 Men are always willing = See #1 post 189 covered that. go back and read it. thanks oh, and post 5, too. and others. (this, by the way, will be the format of the rest of my points, since it's all been covered)
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Siobhan Taylor
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10-21-2004 06:59
You got the bin off then?
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Selador Cellardoor
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10-21-2004 07:02
Shadow,
<<Ok, one dumb question? How in the name of hades can you exploit a willing participant.>>
So you are saying then that a woman who is regularly and savagely beaten by her husband, and yet continues to stay with him, even when offered the opportunity for a safe escape, is not being exploited?
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Willow Zander
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10-21-2004 07:03
yes siobhan.. the bin is OFF...
BEHOLD THE TREASURES I FOUND IN THERE
*starts to read kris's diary*
I was in federal... when i saw...
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Siobhan Taylor
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10-21-2004 07:04
Hey, check the dates on that... I may need you to burn it... quickly
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Talen Morgan
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10-21-2004 07:10
From: Lash Xevious DAMMIT, TALEN! TP ME WHEN YOU DO THIS! I have to be careful because I know for a fact there are rather incriminating pictures of me out there already....theres something about a man with a fro wearing a sexy teddy and stockings that people are drawn to.... |
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Korg Stygian
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10-21-2004 07:12
From: Hiro Pendragon post 189 covered that. go back and read it. thanks
oh, and post 5, too. and others.
(this, by the way, will be the format of the rest of my points, since it's all been covered) And so this claim at true discussion "Hiro-officially" ends... "it's been responded to. you didn't agree with what I said. you must be wrong. you are too ignorant/unitelligent to understand that. so I will repeat it curtly so even the slow-witted like you might try to understand. (deep put-upon sigh)" Quite the tactic there dude. /me begins to take notes so that I can offer a paper on forum victimage at the next National Communications Association convention. I think I can use a selection of a certain person's posts in this thread as a truly interesting case study to illustrate Freudian and Burkean theories of the dramatic Pentad and the Narccisus complex. |
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Shadow Weaver
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10-21-2004 07:21
Selador, #1 the context of my post was in jest #2 the context of your statment From: someone So you are saying then that a woman who is regularly and savagely beaten by her husband, and yet continues to stay with him, even when offered the opportunity for a safe escape, is not being exploited? Is in reference to a brutality statment which I do not condone. In addition a woman being treated as such is not a "WILLING" participant as her mindset has been altered through multiple beatings and thus she envisions her "husband" / "Lover" will change. So in essence the sentiment of your statement has no context of comparison to a post I made in jest as I never mentioned brutality or abuse. HIRO, I read a title I skim the last few lines of a Post when its relevant and if I feel I want to post I do so. Otherwise when its 6 pages long and the last few posts are rolling in humorous attitudes, I neither bother to worry about what was said on post 189 and 5 other posts as the topic of the conversation has changed to either a light hearted state or one of serious discussion. Depending on the context of the topic and the tracking of the conversation deterimines my posts. IF both of you take this as an afront to an assault towards you its not I made a post in Jest If you two decide that the context of my statment is not applicable in your rhetoric then please by all means ignore it as most do these days. Sincerely, Shadow Weaver
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Willow Zander
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10-21-2004 07:22
*locks this thread and throws away the key into kris's bin of secrets*
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-21-2004 07:23
From: Shadow Weaver
IF both of you take this as an afront to an assault towards you its not I made a post in Jest If you two decide that the context of my statment is not applicable in your rhetoric then please by all means ignore it as most do these days.
Sincerely, Shadow Weaver
Right now this subject is far too touchy. Jest = not working. It's just feeding the trolls. Please stop feeding the trolls. Thanks... =\
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Selador Cellardoor
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10-21-2004 08:18
Shadow,
<<In addition a woman being treated as such is not a "WILLING" participant as her mindset has been altered through multiple beatings>>
EXACTLY!
However you define 'willing' - and it has been defined in this thread as someone who doesn't leave their situation and log off - that is a description of exploitation. And it can be done equally effectively by means of emotional manipulation. Emotional manipulation is designed to 'alter mindsets'.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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10-21-2004 08:47
From: Korg Stygian
/me begins to take notes so that I can offer a paper on forum victimage at the next National Communications Association convention. I think I can use a selection of a certain person's posts in this thread as a truly interesting case study to illustrate Freudian and Burkean theories of the dramatic Pentad and the Narccisus complex.
OOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURKEAN PENTADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll be the Agent, Korg |
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David Valentino
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10-21-2004 09:00
From: Loethe Rockwell I was contacted ingame to visit these forums and offer some input as an escort.
I think the bleeding heart liberals that post here saying I'm exploited, don't really understand the motivations of us who choose to be escorts. Some want easy cash for a few hours work per night. Some maybe roleplaying a person they could never be IRL. We all have our own personal reasons for playing the characters we play in SL. You should respect another player's wish to play their character howevr they want.
Unless you are roleplaying a bleeding heart Liberal yourself in SL, and you think sticking up for the rights of those you see as weaker and lower down the food chain than you are, is how your character should be played. If that's the case, I applaud you for your roleplaying. If you're just a nosey, meddling antagonist, who comes here hoping to stir up trouble, then I truly pity you. People like you are never happy unless you're getting a reaction out of someone. I'm happy in my Second Life, can you say the same thing?.
Thank you for reading my little post.
Loethe Rockwell.
Escort & Vampyre. Loved your post Loethe, except the parts about blaming bleeding heart liberals. You've gotten that backwards. The liberals would be the ones more often saying, "It's your busniess if you want to have sex for money", while the right-wing conservatives would be saying, "You are evil! Do as I say cause I'm a bible thumping, morally idiotic fasist".
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