Poll: Would you give up part of your stipend if it meant continuing event support?

I really should be doing other things at the moment, so I didn't read this whole thread as I would usually do. (So many big threads these last few days...)

But I want to make one obsevation, that if everyone's base stipend (which was stated as a fixed amount at account creation) is reduced (and yelling beings) and that money is given to event hosts (a subset that aproves of the deal), some of which is then returned to event attendees (andother subset that aproves of the deal)... There will still be more upset people than happy ones.

Sounds like a bad idea, overall, to me.

All we NEED is more dhrama.

I voted yes. Why?

Stipedend = SL Welfare. I have called the day we all receive our stipedend "Second Life Welfare Day" since I begun in this game. This is money that is distributed to the populous for no specific reason. Money for nothing.

Now having said that, what real motitivation is there for an individual to host and event if you remove the measely L$250 that they receive as compensation for it? Because its fun? Because they love it? Maybe, but hosting events, especially 2 hour ones, is really work.

This work is to the benefit of the players (amusement) and moreover to Linden Labs! If there was absolutely nothing to do or attend in second life, then much of the player base would become bored to tears. Only geeks and creators for the most part would be left. In order for a society like SL to prosper, you need both producers and consumers. I used to designate a producer as the people to create content whether it be scripts, modeling, texturing, or whatever. But overtime, I added Event Hosters to that realm. They create content as well. They keep a group of people in one place and having fun (well, we hope)

I have spoken to many people who host events, some who help me often within Spittoonie. The general concensas is, "why do I even bother then?" Furthermore, as a creator of content in the game, why do I even bother spending countless hours working on content for them to amuse people with?

Now having said that, I would gladly give up my $500 + bonus per week to support all of the event hosters out there. They amuse the masses through objects that people like myself create. They also deserve recognition for what they do on a daily basis within SL. Taking this away, amounts to thumbing your nose at them.

It's not a matter of whether or not someone DESERVES a stipend. I get a stipend because that's part of what I agreed to when I signed up for my SL account.

It's not free money. I get my stipend of L$500 because I paid my premium annual. woohoo. It's a "benefit" of being a paying customer and an incentive to spend money in world on my fellow citizens. THAT is the reason they give it to us. Is that such a hard thing to understand?

Arti

Hm. Trivia - one hour event, 10-20 people in attendance.

Linden support, L$250.

Dwell payment the next day, L$50.

Methinks Linden support outweighs the dwell.

Arti ... behave ill tell mother on u

well anyways i think ur wrong lol.... just because you signed up for it doesnt mean you deserve it or anyone ... maybe it would of been better if they took away all of stippend and left the hosting support because thats actually doing something to earn it ... look at tso... 9.95 a month for the account and nobody gets a stippend .... they earn it on pizza and jam ... so why not take the stippend away and bring in some money makers or something... make everyone WORK for their stippend ....

Arti:

Tell Chloe were to stick it. She's in with C.Cotton and the rest of the hard headed Gang Bangers.

Ah the plot of the hippie... to wander aimlessly from place to place constantly being pushed out by society until finally arrested for opposing GW Bush and thrown into Guantanamo.

Sad, isn't it? But somebody's gotta get a grip on those terrorists.

New Metric:
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20 people in attendance

Linden Support: L$0.00
Dwell Payment: L$50
Cover Charge: L$20 x 20/People = L$400
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Bank Account: L$450


Who needs Welfare.. Make those bouncers start collecting at the door.

Damn Straight.. The Only people in Guantanamo are terrorist or liberal supporters.

What did my President say?
'You are either with us or against us'

I said the majority and the daily dwell isn't the only dwell...such as the dwelloper incentive given every month...

lmfao BITEEEE MEEEEEEEE .... im not hard headed i just dont agree ...

1/ Stipidend or ANY money from LL is not a right, no matter how much you paid for your account per month. You pay that monthly cost for a land tier buddy. I pay a monthly bill of $195 USD, does that mean my stipedend should be $5000/week? No.

2/ IT IS FREE MONEY. What did you do to earn it? Absolutely nothing. Before 1.2, we all paid the same amount per month, and we all received a stipedend then. Then in 1.2 LL introduced the whole basic/premiemum account system. They use that increase from the basic account to a "premiem" account as a way to entice people to move up, and buy that first plot of land. That's all.

Why do I not care about my losing my stipedend, because its money I get for nothing. Its a weekly welfare check from LL. While I see a value to that injection, I also understand their motives. I just dislike that fact that event hosters will simply receive no further support from LL. Its infact in LL's best interest to be supporting event hosters as they too are creators of content. While you cannot put your AV's hand on that content, your brain sure can envelope it.

Heh, watch me step up to the door and realize, $20 for this? Hell with that, I'm going back to my place and scriptin or something, or maybe have a bit of a RL.

So here's my metric,


20 people in attendance - 1 person who says "Hell with that" = 19 people now

Linden Support: L$0.00
Dwell Payment: L$50
Cover Charge: L$20 x 19/People = L$380
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Bank Account: L$430

This simply doesnt follow. It only argues that 1) people cannot adapt to changes 2) the Bad Rich people always win and 3) the poor unfortunate Creative People are the sorry victims of this financial debachle.

It's not an argument at all, it's a screed.

People with imagination will always have the upper hand in SL. In a world where you can do ANYTHING, this is the main advantage. The "panty whore" scene will continue...but I doubt highly that these laggish, particlebomb, teenage-mindset clubs are going to be the only thing left to do in SL when those afraid of change stop complaining and the dust settles.

Who said it was a right? I said it was simply a benefit of my premium account, part of the package I signed up for with LL. That's all there is to it. Now LL has the "right" to change their policy, sure, and we have the "right" to protest and hopefully some balance will come out of it.


Again, trying to use a real world analogy to "welfare" simply doesn't work. Stipend is simply a benefit of being a paying SL member. It's not free, I paid X amount to LL and here's the package I get with it. I don't have to "earn it", it's part of the plan I purchased from SL. Simple enough to me! And it ain't real money unless you cash it out, otherwise it's just a variable in a game. What's a "stipedend" anyway? LOL I think it's a brilliant plan to "hook" people in to spending more on SL... give em the cheapie lifer accound and wait till they drool for a VR space of their own Hats off to the person at LL who thought that one up, because obviously it works!


If you look at the costs vs. the benefits of having a stipend/allowance the benefits to the economy far outweigh the costs of NOT doing it. Imagine, a noob comes in with ZERO L$, what the hell is he supposed to do? Beg? It's a great way to keep the cash flowing from person to person in the world... perhaps after you reach a minimum of say, L$1000, the stipend payments taper of? kind of like helping the noob get on their feet? Who knows.

I dunno, I have some mixed feelings about the whole event hoster support thing. On one hand, I see the benefits of helping out events by offering prize money and a nominal payment to the host for their time, because all things considered, running a club/event/whatever is relatively expensive if you aren't collecting an entry fee or receiving donations or gambling machine income etc. On the other hand I can see from LL's point of view that they don't want to support events that aren't directly enhancing the community (aka educational events).

It's a judgement call either way really and both sides have some valid arguements. I think, however, that in the end some kind of compromise will be reached on how to proceed, and Second Life ain't gonna collapse in on itself because of a few relatively minor sticking points. Rome wasn't built in a day, so we should all try to be patient while the kinks are worked out.... after all, this IS trying to be the first "true" Metaverse in existance! So let's all do our part to try and make it grow and work together towards that end, mmmkay???

Peace and Happy Building!

Arti

I completely agree Fleabite!

Remember, "IF" is the most powerful word in the universe!

I sent Philip a different proposal to support events (this one wouldnt dig in anyone's pockets) that would probably be quite an economy drive, let's har what he says about it.

When Did I say I "deserved" a stipend? Stipend is free $, never said it wasn't, but event support is ALSO free $. I agree that even hosts earn their l$, that's not what I am saying but the $ for hosting fee doesn't come from the commnity it comes from LL so in that sense it IS free $ & the prize $ is also FREE $. If FREE $ is going to exist it's nice to know have some say into where free $ is going.

I have a Stipend, deserved or not, I get it & feel that I should get a say into where it goes. It's that simple.

Basically, this is across the board, if it were to happen. There are many people who would not want this to happen. If this were a CHOICE like if they take it out for people who WANT it so they can continue to get supported for events that qualified before the update, then I wound't see a problem with that. But this will be taken from everyone, and not everyone would want that, ESPECIALLY people who don't even do events. No one DESERVES the stipend. It is a benefit of paying the the premium account, but that can change, it's not ordained. So since we are getting the stipend anyway, why should you get $100 less if you don't even do events at all?

Stipends and Basic Accounts will be eliminated eventually if my predictions are correct.

I am in favor of Event Holes.

Events with holes in?
Like using hollow prims, or like taking a break half way through to do a bit of shopping?

I'd say combine those two great tastes that go together.

Feed the hole, make the hole happy.

(First person to get the reference and reply to this thread with the correct answer wins an ARMORD 09 Infinity av)