Poll: Would you give up part of your stipend if it meant continuing event support?

That depends on the Budget of the Economy, weather a $1L will surfice in meeting that Budget with a Surplus or Deficit.

*kicks event support*

AND STAY OUT!!!

With the money shortage that there will be due to the new economy changes do you really think people will be willing to pay to go to a club? That is kinda senseless.
They will simply go to the ones they don't have to pay for, meaning the ones owned by really rich people that can afford loosing a few lindens. This will drastically cut down competition and with a reduced competition quality will be reduced as well.
Moreover in wich dream world an entrance fee of 1 L$ can cover expenses. The event funding was 750 Lindens for an event, do you think a club can get 750 people in an event? This is kind of science fiction and would not only crash the server, probably the machine its running on would simply self destruct...

I'm talking about a $1 entrance fee 24/7. When you have an event, charge more.

I would vote no on having my money cut to help support events and heres why. I would truely reconcider this if there were more tasteful events worth supporting. I in the long forgotten past hosted events and never made a profits off the support the extra 250 that was for me to host went towards the money ball. Yes I see only the rich profitting from the changes and fewer events happing. This is a good and bad thing, for example I 100% agree events and clubs are avery VERY important part of SL because of the fact it helps people win money they may need for ex.(buying clothes, house, land, and uploads to start their own products.) The good thing less lag and other problems with high traffic clubbed sims( for those who aren't into the whole club scene.)Also more tasteful events that may make host and club owners actually think. If LL want a way to help why cant we have taxes on the rich based on L$ you have this way people wont be so quick in buy L$ off GOM and other sites. or would they still Im not sure. As for hosting fees my question is this does our goverment support club owners and their host workers in RL? Not really maybe instead of paying people to host LL should not only implement taxes but maybe sum grants from those taxescan go to help the little people of SL who have tasteful, well thought out events and clubs to kick off their business like our government does for those who ask and have thought out preposels. Just an idea. Im not good at putting my thoughts in writting but I hope you can kinda understand what I'm trying to get at here.

Good chip, let's add ANOTHER source of expense for the average resident, so that he has EVEN less money to spend on fueling the economy (clothes, for instance, but applies to any kind of goods). There will already be a shortage of money due to the rest of the changes, you really think it would take more than one week for a few rich people to take the complete monopoly of club activity by not charging for entrance while others do?
Do you really think that having club business in the hands of a few oligarchy of rich people would increase quality of events?
Monopoly ALWAYS brings lack of quality. Right now competition for events is VERY high and the average quality is already low, if competition decreases quality will simply sink down to the side of the Titanic.

You're honestly telling me you don't think people would pay $1 to go dance at their favorite club? If they did that every day they'd have spent a whopping $7 at week's end.

No, they would simply go where they don't have to pay (and you talked about charging more for events anyway).

They would find another club to save themselves a dollar? Come on now. I'm not buying that for a second. If your place is worth going to, it's worth paying for. Determine your own worth instead of making LL do it for you. You're selling yourself short.

Ain't that the truth Sis

Hell, I think the biggest thrill I ever got in SL was the day I got to meet 3 of the people I looked up to the most as builders/creators - and beating them at building contests/show and tells.

I don't think anything has come close to that day -- with the exception of perhaps the first time that 'supacrapper' actually took off and soared high over Taber.

Siggy.

I remember when I used to invite people over to dance on my land! The actual ground! And please click my voting machine!!! It was a hoot when someone rezzed a bar. OMG an actual bar!! Remember those huge beer mugs? They made your AV fall on the ground? HAHA *hacks up a lung* where is my wheelchair??

I dont sell myself, and i don't have a club.
I earn my money designing, and having a lot of unemployed people hanging around because the club they worked for closed doesn't help me the slightest (nor it helps you).
Do you really thing that charging L$1 would be enough to cover a club expenses? How do you pay employees? Pats on the back?
And if (as you say) clubs should charge more than that for events, do ou really think people would be willing to pay? Be real If there is an half decent club that will allow them to dance for free they will go there.
Anyway i'm off to bed now. Have fun destroying the economy.

You win a prize for being the first post today that has actually made me laugh out loud. Thank you

Hugs!

Yes I do or I wouldn't have suggested it. Every time I look at the map I see hotspot clubs with 20 avs in them, all day long, every day. If $1 isn't enough, charge $2.



Heh. Asking people to pay for the things they enjoy that other people like yourself work their asses off on is hardly going to destroy the economy. It's going to save it. The "I deserve everything for free just because I showed up" mentality IS destroying the economy. People who are only here to milk the free money machines will not be missed.

How do you pay employees on 750 lindens either, Shiryu? The Linden support was nice, but the fee is simply not enough to matter on an individual level. We're talking about less than 4 US dollars. You don't need to be rich to be able to afford such an amount of money. If your event is worth hosting, then you'll easily get enough support from audience members. It happens daily at countless bingo, trivia, S&T, &c. events. If it's just another "waste time and get money with our sl00ts" style event, which is the kind of event which has absolutely no value to the SL community, then it probably won't get any support. You'll have a very hard time convincing me that this is a bad thing... The argument for continuing support, when so many people abuse the system, is not very great, especially when one considers how such support payments seriously endanger the financial health of the SL economy by greatly helping inflation.

all the bantering back and forth in the forum if you wnat to argue back and forth take it in wotrld and discuss it. As a club owner I dont like this change because although I myself have never requested Linden support for my events the girls who are new and cannot be instructors or mentors do utilize that support for thier events and not all of us doing events are mad rich either and I am offended. We tried to ddo Trivia, who doneit, truth or dare, lots of diff things and people did not show up if youwant more creative events than best dressed avi try supporting those events by showing up for them. Also the in world dwell bonus is not all that much I get approx 5 lindens a day in dwell bonus and own a top 5 property.
I will continue to provide a fun place for people to play and hang for as long as I can do so and would hope to get the support of my friends and fellow residents to do that but I dont see how EDUCATIONAL events are going to create a difference.

Keep the stipend but cut the event support. These event hosts are likely making enough money, so why support their events even more? I wish my employer would cut my loan but buy me a new house for this years BBQ party!

no, no & NO....

There's no reason that events can not continue without linden support. If an event is worth it people won't mind paying a small fee or otherwise contributing to it.

With or without the support we will survive. But I don't want my base stipend touched because it's nice to know whether or not I attend or host events (& I have made a majority of my SL living as an event hostess) I still have this stipend to depend on.

Well, my thought of what Phillip suggested considering is fair. There needs to be a Tax System as in any Economy. The amount of Taxes collected from Players should be based on their income level, this part is my opinion as far as income level. This would contribute to an economical budget to help fund different things that various account holders want and want to keep. Bottom line is, the people that oppose funded Events will still say, "I don't go to Clubs because of this and that, why should I have to pay?" Reality dictates in a real economy that people have to pay certain Taxes that they do not like or want. I don't like paying Personal Property Taxes on my House because I feel I never truely own it, the Government does. Is my view going to change it? I doubt it. It is a big chunk of necessary funding through Taxation to provide other needed things to keep the Economy maintained.

We've already had a tax system pre 1.2, it sucked. I do NOT want to see taxes return. Unlike the things LL are currently wanting to try, taxes HAS been tried already. Time to try something NEW.

The Fact is, we have a real Economy, this is a mirror of the Real World, and an Economy without a Budget and Government will faulter; we are the people and Linden Labs is the Government that manages it. Reality of a Virtual Economy is a reflection from real life Economy which dictates necessity and funding has to come from somewhere, this includes money from the Community to fund programs, which usually ends up in the form of Taxation, because not everyone can agree to fund or not to fund for the overall good of the Economy to grow. No one wants Taxation, however; I have yet to see a valid way to fund Events without support from the Community.

lmfao! your base stippend will be touched as it is but if your willing to take a 50% CUT then a 20% CUT be my guest .... id GIVE UP MY STIPPEND TO CONTENUE EVENT SUPPORT! lmfao i cant believe how many ppl think taking a 50% CUT is better then 20%... people go to events not to pay but to win... you used to do bingo and prett ysure HAD others do it for you THAT NEEDED this support and plenty of ppl who are against it HAVE friends who HOST so instead of thinking o yeah shes new it really might help her .... you think its a bad idea... you know maybe we should all just stop thinking about our selves for once and think about others...

And something new is is to completely remove any support to one of the major drives to SL economy? The entertainment industry provides hundreds of people that cannot afford to create and run their own business but have the will to work for their lindens with a job.
I am astonished on howshort sighted removing such support would be, because it will basically grind the economy to an halt. Designers and builders would sell only to other designers and builders, creating a closed market between a "Social class" of rich people that can sell to afford buying, but again this will decrease sales progressively until the economy grinds to a total halt.
No one argues about the quality of events, but they offer people working opportunities, and even in real lufe governments offer financial incentives to keep economy driving businesses running, thus providing the population with jobs that keep the economy alive.
And where does this money come from? Taxes. I for one believe that LL should support events without touching stipends further (because the cut on stipend bonus is already more than enough to fight inflation), but before seeing the economy grind to an halt i prefer to have a lil lower stipend.

Voluntary contributions to an "Event fund" but theres the problem of distribution of those funds.

Edited to add:

And Blake will you STFU about SL being a "mirror of the Real world"? PLEASE!!! I WILL PAY YOU LINDENBUCKS TO STOP!