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Poll: Would you give up part of your stipend if it meant continuing event support?

Ananda Sandgrain
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01-12-2005 08:37
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Nope.

Event money was already a joke, as of 1.2. This should clear out a lot of the crap events, and it might be possible to see some gems through the clutter.

However, next time I hope that LL cuts dwell instead, as it already obscenely tilts the balance in favor of large land owners.
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Usagi Musashi
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01-12-2005 08:40
From: Madison Playfair
First of all, I want to say that I would gladly give up part of my stipend to continue providing event support. Having been an event host myself in the past, I know this is the main source of income for a lot of newer player, and those who just enjoy being a host or hostess. I personally feel that taking away event support would be a huge mistake on the part of Linden Labs and will cause more problems than good in the end.

Now I want to move on to a comment I noticed that concernes me greatly..




Although I agree that cutting support is not the solution and will only cause more problems, I have to disagree with your comments that insinuate that "rich hosts" would intentionally reduce the quality and content of their events and would be taking away from those "average hosts" who have high quality events. I have been to many events in my time in SL, and I have been to events hosted by all manner of folk, whether they be rich, middle class, or poor. The events I attended were chosen based on what was going on , not on how much money I MIGHT get.

When I was hosting a lot, I probably fell in the poor or lower middle class somewhere, and in my experience, on average most people chose to attend my events BASED on the quality and content, rather than the amount of money they would get. Yes I held contests, trivia and the like, but the prizes were small in comparision to other events going on at the same time. I never had a huge attendance at my events, nor did I expect to because of the type of events I held.

Now, I am probably considered "rich" in comparison to most. When I chose events to attend, it is still based on what is going on and NOT on the money, the same as when I was poor or middle class. When I host an event, which I don't do very often, I try to be sure that it will be a quality event with good content that will be alot of fun for everyone who attends. My prizes are average and not designed to take event goers away from others who might have a better or more interesting event going at the same time.

I guess what I am trying to say is, that having been in all different classes, and not forgetting where I came from, it concerns me that some may feel that rich hosts might intentionally try to do in the less fortunate event hosts if support is taken away by the Lindens.

If I haven't been clear in what I am trying to say, please feel free to contact me and we can discuss it.

Madison Playfair



How can i top this post! it cover the issue that is most important atleast to me! QUILITY! Quility of events should be the issue! Event by host should not be in masses but in well designed and well timed! I will say this much i rather do a event knowing that the people will show then not! When i do a event it packs the house! Why? because planning is key! Timing is another! woth both your dead! Iam only a small poor player with very little in the terms of power.
Blake Rockwell
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01-12-2005 08:46
From: Ananda Sandgrain
*ignoring the rest of the thread*

Nope.

Event money was already a joke, as of 1.2. This should clear out a lot of the crap events, and it might be possible to see some gems through the clutter.

However, next time I hope that LL cuts dwell instead, as it already obscenely tilts the balance in favor of large land owners.


Well, sounds like your solution is to..

1. Cut down on the number of clubs and types of Events.

2. Enforce quality of your definition, maybe you would like Lindens to Control and Own Clubs?
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01-12-2005 08:52
From: Shiryu Musashi
No Madison, i am not telling that all rich hosts will intentionally lower the quality, i am telling that with lack of competuition they would be able to.


Shiryu,

Opps, I didn't mean to sound like I was saying you were meaning it that way. I was trying to make a point that you are not the only one who has that worry. There are others. I guess I had a hard time wording what I wanted to get across. But I have talked to others who have the same concern that some may intentionally lower the quality of events to gain advantage because of the lack of competition. But my point is still that MOST people choose events based on quality rather than the amount of prizes they might get. I will be more careful in my wording next time. Sorry if you felt insulted.

Madison
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01-12-2005 08:57
No. Why should anyone be forced to subsidize stuff they may not even be interested in? I will gladly pay an admission fee to attend events or visit clubs that I want to go to that are doing things that interest me.

Unlike any other business in SL, event hosts don't have to try to please their patrons. Whatever lame event they slap together gets funded by LL. What's so special about events that they don't have to be responsible for providing something people are willing to pay for? Event hosts and club owners are just joining the world the rest of us have been living in all along, and it's about damn time :p
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01-12-2005 09:01
From: Chip Midnight
No. Why should anyone be forced to subsidize stuff they may not even be interested in? I will gladly pay an admission fee to attend events or visit clubs that I want to go to that are doing things that interest me.

Unlike any other business in SL, event hosts don't have to try to please their patrons. Whatever lame event they slap together gets funded by LL. What's so special about events that they don't have to be responsible for providing something people are willing to pay for? Event hosts and club owners are just joining the world the rest of us have been living in all along, and it's about damn time :p


True, why should you care? I've never seen you in a SL Club in my whole SL life. Only if your sales cease, you and others may care then. One things for sure, we will find out soon enough. Actually, im kinda liking the idea that clubs deminish and go away for the most part, why? Because I want to see what happens ;)
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01-12-2005 09:04
From: Blake Rockwell
True, why should you care? I've never seen you in a SL Club in my whole SL life. Only if your sales cease, you and others may care then. One things for sure, we will find out soon enough.


Clubbing isn't really my scene, but I do go every now and then. You certainly don't see me asking if people would be willing to give up part of their income to subsidize my business wether or not they want to use the things I make. If I did that, what kind of reaction do you think I'd get?
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Usagi Musashi
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01-12-2005 09:05
From: Chip Midnight
No. Why should anyone be forced to subsidize stuff they may not even be interested in? I will gladly pay an admission fee to attend events or visit clubs that I want to go to that are doing things that interest me.

Unlike any other business in SL, event hosts don't have to try to please their patrons. Whatever lame event they slap together gets funded by LL. What's so special about events that they don't have to be responsible for providing something people are willing to pay for? Event hosts and club owners are just joining the world the rest of us have been living in all along, and it's about damn time :p


If you are a rich player great! but what about us lower level crapped on players.
Secound, hosting is where some making there living hun, without it its sl is not possible!
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01-12-2005 09:10
Ok guys, maybe we have this out of perspective. I say lets see what happens with Lindens funding only Educational Events. Lets give it a shot.
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01-12-2005 09:11
From: Usagi Musashi
If you are a rich player great! but what about us lower level crapped on players.
Secound, hosting is where some making there living hun, without it its sl is not possible!


And just how do you think I became a rich player? It wasn't through subsidies. Everyone was a lower level crapped on player once. Why is it that even new players without much money don't see anything unfair about spending their money to buy my products? What makes that different than spending money to attend an event or gain admittance to a club? If you provide something people want, they'll pay for it. It doesn't matter if they're rich or not.
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Artillo Fredericks
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01-12-2005 09:14
RE: Clubs.... ok see my little math experiment here:

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Malana Spencer
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01-12-2005 09:47
From: Chloe Platini
lmfao! your base stippend will be touched as it is but if your willing to take a 50% CUT then a 20% CUT be my guest .... id GIVE UP MY STIPPEND TO CONTENUE EVENT SUPPORT! lmfao i cant believe how many ppl think taking a 50% CUT is better then 20%... people go to events not to pay but to win... you used to do bingo and prett ysure HAD others do it for you THAT NEEDED this support and plenty of ppl who are against it HAVE friends who HOST so instead of thinking o yeah shes new it really might help her .... you think its a bad idea... you know maybe we should all just stop thinking about our selves for once and think about others...



Well I'm wasn't meaning depending upon my stipend as it is as a whole. I should have explained myself better. What I mean is WHATEVER stipend will become I would rather have that then having to pay out of my stipend for events I do not believe in. I don't want to support the 10 "hottest panties" contests every day. I would like to decide where my $ should go whatever the amount of that money ultimately is.

& it's not that I USED to host bingo & also have people host it's that I DO host bingo
(haven't lately mostly due to RL) & WILL continue to do so as it's something that I enjoy as do my guests. I won't get support for it (It wasn't about the $ anyway) & it will mean people will need to contribute a little $ to make a pot (something they ALREADY do)

Most of the people who attend (or have attended) my events sole purpose was NOT winning but rather enjoying the company & having fun. They GET the point! These are the people who will continue coming to my events when I host them.

& before you pipe up about me thinking of myself #1 anyone who knows me knows I would feel the crunch as hard as the next person(as most of my SL living has come from hosting events ;) & #2 anyone who knows me at all knows how much time, effort, & L$ I have given in aid of new residents & others.

Maybe I want to use my stipend to give to a cause I deem as worthy or to support my OWN events or maybe I want to keep it all, doesn't matter. I should NOT be forced to support events that I don't believe in. If you want to spend your stipend that way then donate it but don't volunteer mine.
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01-12-2005 09:51
From: Pendari Lorentz
woohoo!! Good news!! You don't have to give up part of your stipened to get Event Support!!

Just USE part of your stipend to fund your events. No difference. Problem solved. :D


THANK YOU PENDARI....that's what I said..lol This way you get to make that choice to support it it's not being chosen for you.
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01-12-2005 09:52
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
YES!

Let's support SPAMMERS and people who can't follow EVENT POSTING RULES with our own stipend money! Great idea!

This creates another system to be cheated. That's what we're trying to avoid here.

-Flip


YUP!
Malana Spencer
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01-12-2005 10:01
From: Blake Rockwell
I have yet to see a valid way to fund Events without support from the Community.



When I like & enjoy something...clothes, vehicles, shoes, I willingly pay for the items I want. I hardly see how it should be any different for entertaining/eventing. Give me an event worth attending & I will be the first person in line forking over the L$ to attend. I don't think I should be FORCED to pay for YOUR entertainment.
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01-12-2005 10:03
From: Chip Midnight
And just how do you think I became a rich player? It wasn't through subsidies. Everyone was a lower level crapped on player once. Why is it that even new players without much money don't see anything unfair about spending their money to buy my products? What makes that different than spending money to attend an event or gain admittance to a club? If you provide something people want, they'll pay for it. It doesn't matter if they're rich or not.



LOL hey i love your stuff! Its the best around I never said it wasnt...But the issue of the lower players getting crapped on sl does apply. WEll Hun the issue if they pay for or not is not really true in away. Because what do they have to do to get the money? Sell sex? YES selling your body can get you between 1000l to 5000l EASY! so there you go you got a Midnight skin! EASY! I seen alot of newbies do this, only for them burnout or totally sell sex for money.
Now is either of these the right way/ or promoto to keep players in sl? Well As a crapped on player ( i do what i can to make it.!) But as for newbies i say dont do as i do.........Why because i want them to stay in the game. I am lucky i am still around because i had players that cared about me. Ok maybe i got off the subject a little but hey! I love you and i know i can say it.....kisses hun
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01-12-2005 10:03
From: Malana Spencer
When I like & enjoy something...clothes, vehicles, shoes, I willingly pay for the items I want. I hardly see how it should be any different for entertaining/eventing. Give me an event worth attending & I will be the first person in line forking over the L$ to attend. I don't think I should be FORCED to pay for YOUR entertainment.


I don't think I should have to pay Personal Property Tax either, but I have too.
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Pendari Lorentz
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01-12-2005 10:03
From: Blake Rockwell
In other words, Linden Labs are going to stop funding Events other than that of an Educational nature. So; we have to come up with a solution to fund all Events or you may lose your Club.


BigJ sold his club a while back. I can't remember who owns Elite now. Unless BigJ and Anna bought it back recently?
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01-12-2005 10:04
From: Blake Rockwell
I don't think I should have to pay Personal Property Tax either, but I have too.


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Pendari Lorentz
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01-12-2005 10:06
From: Moopf Murray
Why don't the serious event hosts who have something to offer the community talk to businesses in Second Life with a view to them sponsoring events for advertising. If anything, I bet event hosts could actually attract more money doing this than was ever possible with Linden funding.

(Sorry if this has already been mentioned on this thread, but damn, I had to skim otherwise I wouldn't of had brain space left to read any more books this year).


Another wonderful idea Moopf! I for one will keep these option available to businesses when I host events, as well as look for events I can sponsor for my shop and projects. Great tip! :D
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Malana Spencer
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01-12-2005 10:06
From: Blake Rockwell
I don't think I should have to pay Personal Property Tax either, but I have too.


umm not in SL u don't..LOL
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01-12-2005 10:07
I think you're great Usagi :) *hugs* No worries! In answer to your question, new players who feel they need more money can go to GOM and spend $4 and have L$1000. Simple.
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01-12-2005 10:11
From: Chip Midnight
And just how do you think I became a rich player? It wasn't through subsidies. Everyone was a lower level crapped on player once. Why is it that even new players without much money don't see anything unfair about spending their money to buy my products? What makes that different than spending money to attend an event or gain admittance to a club? If you provide something people want, they'll pay for it. It doesn't matter if they're rich or not.


I couldn't agree more Chip!!!! *hugs*
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01-12-2005 10:12
From: Usagi Musashi
LOL hey i love your stuff! Its the best around I never said it wasnt...But the issue of the lower players getting crapped on sl does apply. WEll Hun the issue if they pay for or not is not really true in away. Because what do they have to do to get the money? Sell sex? YES selling your body can get you between 1000l to 5000l EASY! so there you go you got a Midnight skin! EASY! I seen alot of newbies do this, only for them burnout or totally sell sex for money.
Now is either of these the right way/ or promoto to keep players in sl? Well As a crapped on player ( i do what i can to make it.!) But as for newbies i say dont do as i do.........Why because i want them to stay in the game. I am lucky i am still around because i had players that cared about me. Ok maybe i got off the subject a little but hey! I love you and i know i can say it.....kisses hun


$1000L and $5000L easy? Usagi, we need to talk! :D
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01-12-2005 10:12
From: Chip Midnight
I think you're great Usagi :) *hugs* No worries! In answer to your question, new players who feel they need more money can go to GOM and spend $4 and have L$1000. Simple.

True but making the money is sl is more important in the fun factor no? That what this game is all about no?! Atleast for some. :) God its always great to talk with a highly intellect person like you! Huggies love!
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