Poll: Would you give up part of your stipend if it meant continuing event support?

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You do realise that this money wouldn't go into some mystical, magical pot, right?

shyru started the topic with the point that the lindens shud pay for events. and gave good reasons why,,, and then got it totally turned round by accepting that we wud be willing to loose some of our stipend to fund em, i dunno if i agree with at, but isnt that what u were trying to explain to philip in the first place? that the LINDENS shud pay for em?

Stop to talking like twelve year olds in boxes =(

Yes I do... I said "in hopes"

How about a stipend cut on a scale, those who get the smallest stipends anyway, get the least cut, but those who get major stipends get the highest cut. Money is hard enough to come by for the little people. People who have money typically can make money alot faster, because they have the means to set up shops in prime locations, but people with almost nothing can't afford those shops, so the stipend is thier only income.

As for the events, i say only support events that have CONTENT! i am tired of bingo and best dressed constests.... As for dance contests, 30 people all with the same dances trying to say they dance better?!? Hello random money balls make more sense than a dance contest! There are events on SL that excite people to know that it's not the same old things.

The Discs of Tron arena, before it was demolished (they never asked for linden support, but they made money anyway just from the dwell).
Story Night, write a story at have it read outloud live on a streamed station (PI)
Build Contests, Script Contests, all of these breath originality.
Originality should be welll supported.

Yes Jennie, but to my arguments Philip answered with this possibility, and if he is not willing to budge and this is the only way to support clubs and with clubs job availability for the ones that cant create or design (the lack ow with will influence negatively ALL busines in SL) i am more than willing to give up part of my stipend to allow clubs to survive and to let the economy flow.

One other thing, sensual-

Since when do you need L$ in order to "make it"? Why not just have fun?

Aww Sens... You know that wouldn't happen. The money would *still* go to someone who learned to game the system. Better to leave it in the hands of Real People than a system. At least that is my opinion.

Seriously, I donate to events all the time, and I know others do to. Any new person that comes to me with a serious event idea, I'll be happy to donate to. I don't have much, but for example, I was in your club a copule of weeks ago Sensual. I LOVED your dancers. Yours were the first I have tipped in like six months. Reason. Your dancers (not strippers) were social to EVERYONE. They made me feel welcome. They were part of the crowd. I felt like they really drew me into being there. So I divided what I would have normally given to a host for certain contests, and tipped the four dancers there. And I had a blast that night. Wouldn't take back my tips for the world.

There is NOTHING wrong with wanting quality. There is nothing wrong with asking someone to learn before demanding payment. I had to field my way, get my bearings before I made a dime Sensual. And you are old enough to remember those days too. Yes. We give when we can. And there are always free objects, clothing, tips, etc we can give away at no cost. Linden money is not so needed by the new person in SL. They don't even have a grasp on the world yet.

Would you give a toddler $200 RL dollars and set them loose in Toys-R-Us...

We have always taken care of the young in SL Sensual. I seriously cannot see that changing.

Ooooh, I like that analogy.

Let the people who care about crappy "dance naked slut parties with money balls" have their stipends cut. I'd like to keep mine, thankyouverymuch.

Mole.. Stipends are not being touched. Only Rating Bonuses. If you are not a social person, then this means probably less than $100Lindens a week you are suddenly not going to have. I wouldn't worry.

yo really dont wanna get the fact that its not about "dance sluts whatever in chains" events, its about all the job opportunities clubs give to people that can't afford (for various reasons) to create and sell their own things.
If you cut support to events and clups, how many people will found themselves unemployed and pennyless_ do you think that will have a good effect on economy? I REALLY doubt it.

Ty for your compliments, that really means alot... I try really hard not to run a whore house and make people feel at home, my dancers have the same outlook as I do, they want people to enjoy thier time there.

I agree there will always be ways to help new players... I still dont agree with them taking away the support though... maybe they need to make the event rules a little more strict, but not take them away.

You're still missing something-

WHY DO THESE PEOPLE NEED L$ ANYWAYS!?

Because this game is ran on even parts by creativity and economy, and if you take off the economy part, people will be able to only create but not to afford what other people create, thus making this game less varied and in the long run, less interesting.

Okay, yes, they need the occasional linden buck. Thats why we have stipends.


They don't need to buy everything they see.

Lol, even with the good sales i had lately in my shop (that were almost completely nulled by the economy changes announcements by the way... and some people tell this won't hurt economy...) i would be NEVER able to afford everything i see.

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It was figurative. Not literal.

Now I'm off to bed. Night.

Less money for events? OH NO...

That means it'll be harder to buy patrons. Will have to be creative and come up with some INTERESTING events and not the same old hackneyed raffles and contests. Maybe there will be fewer clubs? It's a shame in a way, but that's how the consumer benefits the most. Competition will ensure a certain degree of quality. SURE there wil alwaysl be a few places run by rich bastids that will continue to buy off patrons every night. Oh well...no accounting for taste. Are those really the people you want to party with anyway?

Won't see me there. There was a time BEFORE clubs....and you know what. IT WAS GREAT FUN! There were serious parties that nobody paid for. So don't worry. If you have any imagination at all, you'll be fine.

Fleabite, people are already used to money, and the money shortage due to the economy change will make money giving events even more popular.
Tis means that rich people with zero crativity will be still able to throw their "panty whore showing ass" contests with prizes and people will go there, because they will need to round up their funds.
While people that have creativity, but don't have enough lindens will be thrown out of business.

this is not ALLL about clubs tho .. its about other events as well..thers bingo/tringo, trivia, building events, show and tell, photo contest etc... thers plenty of other events that STILL need this support .. if you dont want to give it to the club even think as ur giving it to someone whos having one of of the events you do like to support... dont let this "all about club" events make you think negative ...and plus your not givint it to a club the support goes to the person who took their time of the day to run this event

I definitely feel for event hosts, but I truly believe this needs to be done. Every other type of business in SL has to be self sustaining. LL doesn't give clothiers a subsidy, or builders, or scripters, or anyone. Why should event hosts get them? They really should be expected to build a sustainable business on their own. Tons of people love going to events. People don't stop acquiring clothes because they're not free. They won't stop attending events if you charge a reasonable admission fee either.

Chip, if you charge an even reasonable admission fee, people will go to your club less. exactly like if a clothier increased his prices. People are too used to going to clubs for free.
This means that the clubs that will begin to charge for entrance not to die will see their dwell decrease drastically thus loosing money anyway. It's a loose/loose situation, basically you close an hole in the hull and open another.
Moreover a few rich club owners will be still able not to charge fees, getting all the patrons without needing any increase in quality (or maybe the quality will even decrease, because if competitors die out they can afford offering a worse service without loosing attendance), while clubs forced to charge because the owners don't own humongous quantities of money will be empty.
Moreover chip, clothiers normally don't need employees, while a good club needs a big number of employees that need to be payed.
Actually the money that goes to those employees helps the whole economy, because those employees use that money to buy builders' and designers' products.
Yes, people don't stop buying clothes because they are not free, but they WILL stop if they don't have a source of income. And closing down a good amount of clubs WILL create a LOT of unemployed people thus hitting every other business badly. Not everyone can afford staying online 6 or more hours a day to run a business (and you know better than me how much time it takes to make an even half decent piece of clothing) and not everyone can afford GOM.

My Proposal was to do away with Bonuses tied to Ratings, make Ratings have a cost of $2 Linden to rate someone to give ratings a value rather than a monetary reward. To base bonus on Longevity in game and activeness of log in and evidence by chat logs. Not to take away bonuses but to economically Budget with savings of the Rate Hog and put it back into funding with Statistics/Ratios and Account activity averages in correlation to budget balances for the Economy with allowance from these statistics and savings for Event funding.

However; Phillip was responsive to the suggestion of player funding with the SL Budget rather than assuming funding would be available from Savings of the Ratings Game or the Bonus system I suggested. He believes that players should have some accountability of the budget for funding with a possible Stipend decrease which that is what he is willing to evaluate, that said; I think it's fair that we do carry some of the burden, however; those that believe that money will drop from the sky to fund Events is living in a Fantasy World. It does need to be funded even if it has to be done with Player Taxes persay. It is a fact, entertainment is a part of Secondlife and a very big part on stimulating the overall Economy of it; without it, you the Merchant will suffer in the end; though some do not want to take their blindfolds off and admit the reality of how important Entertainment Events are and how taking it out will detrementally effect the economy with downsized account growth because this game is supposed to be Secondlife not just Crafterslife. Why would a Crafter want to sell to another Crafter if they can Craft it?

A real world takes a real Budget and Subsidies/funding from Government that is a real fact of life and is with Secondlife, because Secondlife is only a mirror to reality and in reality the people demand Entertainment as well. Why do you think Bush implemented Tax Subsidies? To stimulate Economic Growth.

Most clubs always have a ton of people in them. If you charged a $1 admission fee it would add up to far more than you make in LL subsidies, and it's such a low amount that only the cheapest of the cheap wouldn't pay. If you provide them with a cool atmosphere and fun things to do for that $1 they'll keep coming back.