I don.t get it, and they certainly don't

*Hands Kats a provisional membership contract.*

Sign it in blood please.

Note that it requires you to trounce on any and all n00bs that dare challenge our supremacy, no exceptions, they must be crushed under our heels in the manner with which Khrushchev intended the United States to be.

I'm mystified by the Korg-Nolan slugfest, I guess I am tuning in at a very late episode in this serial.

Pahoa, I don't hate older players as a class, I don't hate you, and I don't spew hate. I do talk about a culture of fuck-you hedonism which some display. I ardenly believe this to be an accurate description. Why? Because of the quickness which people anger, get defensive, spout about their rights, demand their freedoms and do everything except be good neighbours and think of some higher principles than themselves. For the life of me, I can't understand why you had to take this dispute public, or why you felt so cornered and indignant over *a question* on behalf of *another player*. It's just absurd. And I think it's useful to note that whatever passions and prejudices are displayed on these forums, I haven't harmed or harassed you in any way and you are as free as the birds in your water.




It's really more Korg and Nash who have nattered on about the oldie conspiracy, I would call it that. I'm talking about a culture of fuck-you hedonism that is often found in online games, and is in this one in spades, where people have this inate sense of entitlement, even as they mask it with fake concern for "the community".


Er, there's one player named Ulrika who advocated communist ideology put into practice and ranted about the rich and having to tax them because they don't "contribute" blah blah, and sure, I said she was socialist (perhaps even communist) but that's not a blanket statement. The tone and content of virtually all the posts in this thread do more than I can every do to eloquently display for all to see how the culture of fuck-you hedonism among the inner feted elite has prevailed.

Every one of these people, yourself included, have spent hours demeaning me, in page after page. But that doesn't count does it? You want to "give me a rope and shovel" to bury myself with my own words? Well, surely that's demeaning?



*Shrugs*. Score one for another member of the self-appointed behaviour police.
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Where's the tyranny, Weedy? I'd like to see you come up with 20 quotes illustrating actual calls for tyranny and tyrannical practices. Go for it!



It's just a debate, not a hanging party, sheriffy. Whoah, there, little doggies. What's so funny and so well exposed in this thread is just that kind of comment -- as if a person can't just have a disagreement and air it, and start debate, they must be hung, drawn, and quartered and hounded out of the game.

All this airy talk about "players like you" from the two-year-olds. I have year-long subscriptions and I'm not going anywhere.

Don't worry n00b, I am full after digesting the semi-trailer load of crap you spewed here today.

Oh come now, why did you choose to make this thread your pulpit to toss about a plethora of insult riddled comments and generalizations aimed at the "culture of fuck you hedonism"?

As for your indignance about Pahoa bringing it to the forums, I have watched you do just the same with other issues. I even agreed with you on one of those issues, but that isn't the point now is it? The point is you can't claim offense at something that you too have engaged in.

Aha. You admit what your diet consists of! And you continue to eat it! What does that say about you? Hmmm?

ZING!

You win the internet n00b!

Gawd yer klevar, Ahm sew glat urine edumakater.

Cud ya sine mi up fer turlet hewmer won oh won?

Honestly! I think both of you need to have a time out and think about what you did.

*takes them both by the ear and sits them of opposite sides of the room*

Yay, I'm part of the elite! Take that noobs!
P.S. Mrs. Lianne Marten, may I have a cookie? I've been really good tonight!

OK, Nolan, you're right! You win!

OK, everybody, go home now, show's over.

If the shows over, why is your alt IMing me in world? Did you forget I met him once and know exactly who is harassing me?
Give it up and leave me alone.

See what you did...you made Torley cry. Now stop it and go back to your corners!

<<Beats Kats with Whip...Bad Kitty Bad Kitty ...this thread was suppose to die of natural causes....

Go back to your Coroners!

Corona and a sprig of Lime on mine while your up Nolan...

I'll take a Cuba Libre please

One Corona, one Rum & Coke! That'll be 1200 L$ (600 a piece, takes for ever to log in and make this stuff nowadays, so the prices are inflated accordingly)

If you want a virtual lime, well, I will have to head to a tropical sim, that's gonna take a while, so add 200 L$ to each drink!

You wont mind taking a virtual check for the drinks then?

As long as you sign the check "King Kong on Water Lover"

Would Faye Raye on milk suffice ?

How kitsch.
pfffft

Not hard to figure out this is my alt because I told you back then about the project. You were nice then, hmm? So why the hornet's nest later?

My alt said: don't worry, be happy. And you said "I don't let negative people ruin my day" or some such.

Er, if that qualifies as harassment, I guess Linden customer service will not have a life untangling THAT one. It was merely a bid to put the incident to rest, using an alt who is simply a nicer person than Prokofy. I contacted you on this nicer alt after I posted the comment about "the show's over".

So since you couldn't let it go, and accept a gesture of closure of the incident, I'd like to ask you WHY you greeted with such hostility initially a polite question to you in an IM sent while you were offline about possibly selling a patch of your water. What was this innocent question, with no prior history of griefing after weeks of being neighbours, greeted as hostile, negative, unappreciated, and even as harassment and pressure.

I wrote a simple line: would you be willing to sell the water adjacent to our sim?

And you replied "Why do you want to buy the water, hon?"

Hmmm....You and your supporters have campaigned vigorously against asking neighbours what their intentions are. You say that anyone's intentions on their land are a sacred, Linden-given right that must never be revealed to any comer. And yet you opened that transaction with the line:

How come you get to ask but I don't get to ask, "Do you plan on any other big builds right here like King Kong?" Huh?

This is SO interesting and I had SUCH an interesting experience yesterday on another sim. A neighbour IM'd me, without introduction, without greeting, without preliminary. I had never talked to him before. "Would you be willing to sell your water adjacent to our property?" he asked.

Now, had I followed the Miss Manners Netiquette enforcement brigade exemplified in this thread, and your own premises, I would have said: "How dare you ask such a question? If you don't like what I'm doing on MY land, tough! I'm not required to tell you my plans for the land!" etc. etc. etc. Like you, I would have viewed a mere request to sell as hostile pressure, motivated by the greatest evil.

Instead, I went over, looked at what he needed, told him my plans, and said I'd sell him the water for exactly what I paid for it, end of story. We talked some other business possibilities, and parted amicably. I never viewed him as any kind of "asshat" because he wanted to buy water adjacent to me. It's his business. He wants water, I can or can't sell it. His reasons could be manifold -- view protection, expansion, fear -- who knows. It's entirely unimportant because I either set it to sale or I explain I can't. I look for compromises if I can't set it to sale. Is he worried about big viewblockers coming up? I set his mind at ease. Does he just want to spread his stuff out on the water? Find, I set it to edit/create and enjoy his dwell. And so forth and so on. There are many ways to handle a transaction like this as I've just shown you, and there is no necessity to get on a high horse and start crying "harassment" and "I'm not required to tell you my plans."

Through my encounter with this guy, I never once said "Why do you want to buy the water, hon?" I never said, "Hey, I just bought here and I want my freedom and you don't get to inquire of my plans or pressure me into selling." I just looked at the matter objectively and tried to accommodate him because he was a nice neighbour.

YOU went into this encounter over my innocent request on behalf of a customer with BAGGAGE. That baggage consisted of a) past experience as an old player compelled to move from your old space; b) observing the behavior of land barons and despising it; c) making an assumption that I was like that; d) already having a predisposed dislike of my development and a readiness to critique it and the specific customer; e) a general sense of eminent domain as part of the creative elite; f) a perusal of one of my past forum posts where I discussed Blue Burke's big black box destroying the basin in Clunn, my advocacy of negrating when people don't respond to concerns of the community, and your decision that this might happen to you merely because I asked to buy a patch of water.

Correct? If not correct, please revise. But I suspect that all of the above are what underlied that first "Why do you want to buy the water, hon?" question.

You figured I would just rapaciously buy up your water, resell it for an exhorbitant price, rape the land further, make a killing, and move on -- basically you had formed that opinion of ANYONE who buys a sim but doesn't spread out and live on it themselves with King Kong like you do.

It was just that kind of behavior that made you move -- 50 percent of the players answering the thread about moving did so because of ugly builds.

But you had no call to assume this was the motivation or behaviour going on in my development, and all your assumptions about motivations, your acid, hectoring tone to me 10 minutes into the conversation about "I suppose you're just going to buy and resell and not stay in the community" etc etc

Why should I as a new player be subjected to YOUR baggage after a year of frustration's, huh? And it's precisely those frustrations that you and other older players constantly express that I tried to grapple with as an unafraid newbie when I took on Blue Burke's Box. I merely did what many people wish they could do, but feared his wrath and forum mob justice. I put up a picture, I invited comment, and I said if nothing is done about this, maybe we should negrate it. I did what many people wish they could do when one of those boxy malls spawned next to their property.

Prokofy, were you a beta player in TSO? I know you were there for quite a while. I have to wonder if alot of your dislike of older or beta SL players is simply because you're not one yourself and you don't feel here whatever it was you had in TSO.

Just a little dime store psychology.

And as far as your comments about me feeling alright here because I make things, I could give a long list of people who don't make things who enjoy SL as much as me.

Hmm..not sure what thread you're reading. I didn't see anyone telling you that you couldn't ask. But I saw alot of people telling you that the person you ask doesn't have to tell you anything. And continuing to ask questions, especially questions slanted toward indicating your dislike or disdain for what the person is doing with thier land, could be considered a bit irritating or rude. And by both of your accounts, you didn't just drop it when you didn't get the answer you wanted to your initial question, or even the question after that...

And I'm pretty sure no one told you you shouldn't ask if the land was for sale either. But if you need to exagerate and stretch the truth to make some kind of point, go for it.