ARTICLE: Touching Aimee's Panties
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Pendari Lorentz
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08-31-2005 14:31
From: Catherine Cotton So by pointing that out we are jelous or sour grapes rofl you working for her on her PR team now? No. But just as I have always been one to state my opinion, I will continue to do so. I defend people who I feel are being treated unfairly. I work for no one but myself. I state only what I believe on an issue and I don't "take sides" because of friends. You should know this, as I've defended you even in the past. I stand by my post.
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Sensual Casanova
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08-31-2005 14:33
From: Torrid Midnight I've deleted my posts. Apparently even though I thought out my words very carefully and tried to voice an opinion it was taken as joining the Aimee bashing. I'll say again, Aimee doesn't deserve the backlash so chill with it already. I said what I wanted to say about the Media but yet again that was taken the wrong way as well. Congrats on another great article and sorry I openend my mouth or typed..whatever. Holy shit I left the thread yesterday cus I had a feeling this would happen.... you can't point out the obvious or your OPINION because people get so defensive.... Torrid do not mute yourself for the sake of others... if they are your friends they will understand how you feel and respect it, you said nothing bad about Aimee in your posts... if they are going to dictate the way you speak or how you feel then why not attach some strings to your arms and legs and be a puppet? Sorry to say but doesn't sound like true friends to me... And my thoughts and posts at the beginning of this thread was not to take a stab at Aimee, it is not her fault, I blame the Lindens, and I am truley sick of reading about Aimee... not because I dislike Aimee or doesn't deserve being talked about... but good Lord, enough is enough! Sl has so much to offer, but you sure can't tell by reading some of the press releases.
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Jonquille Noir
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08-31-2005 14:37
As a SL designer, all I'd like to really say on the matter of Aimee getting so much attention is... "Congratulations. Better you than me." I have no desire for SL fame. I have no desire to be brought up for the kind of criticism that SL fame brings. I have no desire to be ripped apart by forum jackals who don't feel I'm as 'worthy' of attention as others. Mostly, though, I have no desire to put forth the effort it takes to sell myself to become a 'celebrity.' In laziness, there is peace, and I'm all for that. I think Aimee has handled her celebrity status very well. I've never seen her put down the efforts of others, or gloat, or turn into a primadonna over it. She's been cut down numerous times by people who "have nothing against" her, and she rarely even cuts back, which she would be well within her rights to do. I do not envy her her SLife in the fishbowl, and under the harsh magnifying glass of thousands of residents who use their anonymity to say things they'd be smacked in the gob for saying in real life. Definitely do not envy her that one bit. There are a lot of people in SL I'd be interested in reading articles about. Creative people we've heard very little about outside of recommendations from customers. I understand the desire expressed for 'journalists' (and I use that term very loosely) to broaden their focus a bit and take a road not travelled by every other 'journalist' before them, but I don't see why that can't be expressed without putting down the person they did choose to focus on. That's the part that reeks of sour grapes.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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08-31-2005 14:39
From: pandastrong Fairplay I got really fucking pissed when they chose Harrison Ford for the role of 'Han Solo' in that movie with space ships. I mean, yeah.. I wasn't *technically* born until a year later, but what makes him such a bigshot? I look way cuter in a vest than he does (especially the green PREEN vest).
I blame you, God. Share the wealth! Harrison Ford auditioned out for that role, and many others, and earned it. And I cant imagine many looking cuter than he would in or out of a vest...nice wishful thinking though!
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 14:40
From: Jonquille Noir In laziness, there is peace, and I'm all for that. Damn, that's the pithiest thing I've ever read on the forums. You know someone is going to put that in their signature.
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Nolan Nash
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08-31-2005 14:46
This direction this thread has taken is preposterous.
Someone please explain to me how that article has anything to do with the people being shown on the SL website or favoritism by LL? How did we make that jump? Or was this just another opportunity latched onto by the sour grapes committee?
I would like to see quotes from newsites or journalists stating that they were influenced by LL to write about Aimee before I entertain any claims to that end.
I followed those links provided earlier in this thread, and despite claims to the contrary, I see no such statements.
Please, links or quotes (with links to back them up). Refusal to do so accompanied by more claims of this nature will be scoffed at.
If some of you are angry that other SLers, newsites, or fansites CHOOSE to write about Aimee, take it up with them. Otherwise you all sound like a bunch of teenagers sitting at one lunch table complaining about the "popular kids".
Get off your behinds and do it yourselves rather than sitting on the sidelines crying foul everytime the crowd cheers.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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08-31-2005 14:51
From: Enabran Templar I'm no longer surprised by any of the vitriol I see splashed around this place.  You certainly add to it.
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Jake Reitveld
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08-31-2005 14:52
From: Enabran Templar Damn, that's the pithiest thing I've ever read on the forums. You know someone is going to put that in their signature. Probably me. the eternal advocate of the lazy SLer!
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 14:53
From: Nolan Nash I would like to see quotes from newsites or journalists stating that they were influenced by LL to write about Aimee before I entertain and claims to that end.
I followed those links provided earlier in this thread, and despite claims to teh contrary, I see no such statements.
Please, links or quotes (with links to back them up). Refusal to do so accompanied by more claims of this nature will be scoffed at. Don't be such an unreasonable fool, Nolan. The machinations of the dreaded THEY are mysterious and cryptic and very far reaching. It would be about as easy to prove these claims as it would be for an infant to cross-examine OJ Simpson. That's why it's so insidious, you see. THEY are hidden from view and conduct their evil puppeteering from behind an impenetrable curtain of deception.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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08-31-2005 15:03
From: Cristiano Midnight I have to concur, this thread certain did bring out the jealous asshole factor in spades.
PS - I <3 Aimee Why do you see it merely in those terms? When LL repeatedly markets one member's business and overlooks others then paying members have a right to criticize this practice. You recently gave me shit when you suspected I was trying to deny members the right to complain, and the way I see it those who are miffed at LL for this practice have the RIGHT to complain. Why attribute their reasons for complaint to jealousy? Why not address the actual complaint and the LL practice. This is not the first time LL has, out of lazinezz, gone repeatedly to one member, or one build as the benchmark or highlight for SL content. Many people objected to this practice when it related to the Linden top picks list and really this is no different. This inequity is why Linden top picks were eliminated. When we think of the top designers in world, no one designer rules over ALL others, and no one designer therefore merits that position. If LL were to regularly and consistently recommend another animator as the "top dance maker" in SL, then perhaps you could recognize the inequity of that conduct completely independent from your personal feelings for that animator. This has nothing to do with whether people like or dislike Aimee... or are jealous.... This is yet one more problem created by laziness/preference/unfamiliarity with what is actually going on in world with members.
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Torley Linden
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08-31-2005 15:04
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-31-2005 15:04
I laid it out in a numbered list how these things happen, Enabran. And since it is my professional field, I know something about how these things happen. If you wish to ignore all that, and all other points of view presented in this thread, and just keep harping on your concept that anybody who doesn't agree with you on something is some sort of paranoid conspiracy theorist, then that's just reflects poorly on you, and on the lack of strength of any argument you might wish to make. coco
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Lecktor Hannibal
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08-31-2005 15:05
I've had a crap!!! I<3 Aimee too 
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08-31-2005 15:07
From: Jake Reitveld I think the real point here is not a fight about which designer deserve to get more time on the website, but is should be more about how do we get the message to the journalists that the important thing in SL is the creative talent pool, and not just the economic success stories. Here's how: Get LL to act like there are more than a handful of people in the game. The obvious first step to that is spotlighting more people on the website, which is one of the FIRST places any reporter is going to go to to get info on who's who and what's what. The second step is to get them to stop verbally recommending the same people to reporters, if this is indeed what is happening. I know this because I've done this for a living for years. coco
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-31-2005 15:15
From: katykiwi Moonflower You recently gave me shit when you suspected I was trying to deny members the right to complain, and the way I see it those who are miffed at LL for this practice have the RIGHT to complain. Why attribute their reasons for complaint to jealousy? Why not address the actual complaint and the LL practice.
Again, refer to my answer to Snowcrash for the distinction. It is not the opinion, which is fine, and one I even concur with and have expressed on many occasions. It is about those demeaning Aimee in the process, implying or directly stating that she is some unknown loser who doesn't deserve to be promoted. If you or someone else is not demeaning her, then this does not apply to you. Read the entire thread and you will note that is not the case with all people expressing the opinion about Aimee's overpromotion. I also did not give you shit, Katy, I genuinely did not understand what someone's contributions to SL had to do with the validity of their criticism. A cynical asshole is a cynical asshole, whether they have done nothing or have the most successful business in SL. If you noticed, I said I agreed with you, I was just trying to figure out what you were saying on that point.
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Nolan Nash
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08-31-2005 15:36
From: Cocoanut Koala Here's how: Get LL to act like there are more than a handful of people in the game. The obvious first step to that is spotlighting more people on the website, which is one of the FIRST places any reporter is going to go to to get info on who's who and what's what. The second step is to get them to stop verbally recommending the same people to reporters, if this is indeed what is happening. I know this because I've done this for a living for years. coco This article was written by someone who has themself been critical of LL policy. So you're telling us that he did it because of the people featured on the website? I highly doubt it. If that isn't what you are telling us, then I think it's fair to assume that you simply highjacked the thread to crow about one of your pet peeves again. Let me expand upon my points in my last post a bit. When folks complain about this kind of stuff loud and long - they do more damage than good to their own wishes to hear and see less about the situations/individual(s) they are complaining about - which one would think should be self-evident. Invariably the person gains more recognition (especially in threads like this, where the claims have zilch to do with the original topic, in this case a 3rd PARTY, VOLUNTARILY WRITTEN PIECE) because of this behavior. So have at it, damage your own campaign, but don't act surprised when the focus of your ire (this "issue"  is made more prominent because of it. It's like when people are constantly murmuring "Pssst, did you hear that so and so is dating so and so, and that she is the teacher's pet?", then acting surprised when she is elected class president. It wasn't her small group of friends that put her there, it was the influence of the much larger entity who complained about her all year long. This is why people like Omarosa from The Apprentice get asked to do shows like the Surreal Life, and become even more famous. Because people promote her by constantly complaining about her. No, Aimee, I do not think you are comparable to Omarosa. LL, if you are reading this, PLEASE change the fucking pictures, so that we don't have to go through this tangental BS everytime someone writes about Aimee of their own volition! PLEASE! You must be dense to have not realized as yet that every single time, we will have to listen to complaints about those pictures because of some perceived, tangental connections made by certain people with a lot of time on their hands, who sit around and stew over it. Again, get off your keisters and write someone else up! Many of you are well written, eloquent people. What is stopping you?
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08-31-2005 15:48
The forum website for the Second Life content creation and monetization program is silly enough looking to be embarassing to have displayed at work.
Having threads with titles like "Touching Aimee's Panties" makes it considerably worse.
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08-31-2005 16:01
Aimee earned her fame. If someone has a problem with that, it is wholly their problem. With this said, it would be nice to see Linden Labs broaden their horizons (or at least their publicity list). With THAT said, as a business person, given the choice of a known quantity who has a record of doing well by me and never lets me down and an unknown quantity, I'll take the known every time. Anyone who expects otherwise is smoking some really good crack. Look for another thread soon that adheres to my 'if you think there's a problem, present a solution' ideology. edit: Here it is -- /108/b6/59800/1.html
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08-31-2005 16:24
woah thats not even aimees shape! jesus! poor aimee <3 I LOVES YOU MY BEATIUFL BOOTERFLY!
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08-31-2005 16:34
From: Nolan Nash LL, if you are reading this, PLEASE change the fucking pictures, so that we don't have to go through this tangental BS everytime someone writes about Aimee of their own volition! PLEASE! You must be dense to have not realized as yet that every single time, we will have to listen to complaints about those pictures because of some perceived, tangental connections made by certain people with a lot of time on their hands, who sit around and stew over it.
Again, get off your keisters and write someone else up! Many of you are well written, eloquent people. What is stopping you?
I agree with both these sentiments Nolan. My being on the website hasn't brought me anything other than the occasional person saying "hey I saw you on the website" and a cartload of whining and complaining. If you guys want to see more articles about other people, please write some. Today's internet makes it VERY easy to form your own blog/online newsjournal. Of course... it's always easier to just complain. 
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08-31-2005 16:42
From: Cocoanut Koala I laid it out in a numbered list how these things happen, Enabran. And since it is my professional field, I know something about how these things happen. coco Nuts, Ok, you are a reporter. We get it. You have stated it in reply after reply in this thread. We understand, really we do. So if you are such an experienced reporter, fight your cause by doing some pieces on other, less know content creators. Obviously your current method is not getting you any where.
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-31-2005 16:58
It has been a banner week for indiscrete forum posts forcing projects to be announced before they are ready. In that spirit, I feel it is necessary that I go public with what Aimee and I have been working on: 
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08-31-2005 17:00
From: Cocoanut Koala And since it is my professional field, I know something about how these things happen.
coco Unbeknown to you, I am a producer/director at a radio station. One sided freelance drivel gets filed in the appropriate location. The trash can.
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08-31-2005 17:02
From: Cristiano Midnight It has been a banner week for indiscrete forum posts forcing projects to be announced before they are ready. In that spirit, I feel it is necessary that I go public with what Aimee and I have been working on:  HAHAHAHAHA!!! I am excited about this new service from SL Universe...but Cris...is the "toilet cam" in my apartment really necessary?!
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08-31-2005 17:04
From: Cristiano Midnight It has been a banner week for indiscrete forum posts forcing projects to be announced before they are ready. In that spirit, I feel it is necessary that I go public with what Aimee and I have been working on:  NOT ENOUGH FLAPPING. And as an expert in such things, I know how these sites are run. Hey Lindens, did you put in a slider that reads (Batshit Insane)----------------(Jealous Freak) ? 'Cause somebody has it PEGGED to the RIGHT. Haw.
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