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ARTICLE: Touching Aimee's Panties

Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 12:34
From: Cocoanut Koala
"When people make themselves interesting enough to be reported on, they'll be reported on. Until then, they won't."

Combining this with your above post - how does this explain Linden inaction? In terms of featuring people on the web site, where all the reporters come to do their research?

Are you suggesting that no one else in SL has been interesting enough to be featured?


If they were, wouldn't they be there?

Oh, right, of course not.

'Cause the dreaded THEY is keeping them down.

nm.
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 12:36
From: Candy Costello
These are just a few things that urk me, top designer? successful? ok maybe she is a designer, but during my time in world, I have never heard of Aimee Weber, or seen anyone talk about her designs.


With respect, lass, you've only been here since May.

edit: Also, let's not forget here, folks, that you're crapping on a real person here. Hope you're having a lot of fun.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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08-31-2005 12:36
From: Katja Marlowe
Good points Enabran. However, I'd like to point out that there are plenty of other people that also deserve a share of the limelight. I don't blame Aimee for this, I blame lazy journalists who see her name so think "ooh I'll interview her" instead of finding someone else doing a lot within the same market or a different market (i.e. you, Chip, Sensual, Lash, Janie Marlowe etc etc) and interviewing them and talking about them. This could be the point that others are trying to make but not succeeding at because it does come off sounding like petty jealousy. *shrugs* Just a thought.


I agree yet again. Yes it is sad that others don't get the kudos they deserve as well, people who create on a consistent basis. People like Janie that you already mentioned, and Jonquille as another example. They always have new things out that are wonderful.

It's kind of like when you see magazines at the store and they are all about Jennifer Aniston and Brad and Angelina or Jessica Simpson, or Britney Spears. It gets old to see the same thing over and over.

I'm also getting tired of seeing people share their opinions and automatically being called 'jealous'. Sorry but that is not the case here. A little variety is really all that is needed because certain things have been ran into the ground...
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katykiwi Moonflower
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08-31-2005 12:36
From: Cocoanut Koala
Reporters will look at a web site and use what they find there. One might call this lazy, but the reporters call it "research". It isn't their fault that the web site never changes.

I like your ideas for what the Lindens could do, which would give reporters more resources for showing the true extent and variety of the talent and creations here, and allow for more fun and participation by ALL players, not just the same people all the time.

Moreover, there are vast quantities of people doing terrific work who could be featured whose names aren't even known to many of you posting here.
I agree that a lot of this issue is related to laziness on the part of the authors of these articles not wanting to take the time to see what other subjects exist for their articles. The sad part is that an article that is meant as a positive look at Aimee could create the opposite effect when its just too much of the same thing over and over. This thread is proof that it can backfire when people get sick of hearing it, or maybe even do harbor resentment.
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08-31-2005 12:36
From: Enabran Templar
If they were, wouldn't they be there?

Oh, right, of course not.

'Cause the dreaded THEY is keeping them down.

nm.

Try to make sense, Enabran. Are you suggesting that only a few people have been featured on the official SL web site because they are the only ones among 40,000 subscriptions who deserve it?

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08-31-2005 12:38
I got really fucking pissed when they chose Harrison Ford for the role of 'Han Solo' in that movie with space ships. I mean, yeah.. I wasn't *technically* born until a year later, but what makes him such a bigshot? I look way cuter in a vest than he does (especially the green PREEN vest).

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Marcos Fonzarelli
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08-31-2005 12:38
From: Cocoanut Koala
I could easily locate dozens of people so busy creating content and entertainment in the world they hardly have time for forum antics or forum fame. And I could write fascinating stories about them.


Please do.

Right now, we have lots of articles about Aimee, followed by lots of bitching about why Aimee is in articles.

How about you channel your energy into writing some articles? I would love to hear about creative people I am unaware of. I have discovered and met some of them by flying around Burning Life. I look forward to reading articles about other great creators I may be unaware of. :)
Candy Costello
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08-31-2005 12:38
From: Enabran Templar
With respect, lass, you've only been here since May.

edit: Also, let's not forget here, folks, that you're crapping on a real person here. Hope you're having a lot of fun.


I have been here much longer than May, which is besides the point. Yet you can not even argue any of my post because you know I am right.
Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 12:39
From: Cocoanut Koala
Try to make sense, Enabran. Are you suggesting that only a few people have been featured on the official SL web site because they are the only ones among 40,000 subscriptions who deserve it?


You're right, Cocoanut, I'm very sorry.

You know what else? I'm making a phonecall to those tools at Time magazine. Six billion people on earth and only a few dozen get to be man/woman of the year?! That's preposterous! I say we start forcing Time to interview everyone on earth and do cover stories on them. Not enough issues? Let's make Time a daily. I can't wait for my issue:

"Danilo Campos: Man of the Day"
"Sure, he may not be notable yet, but he's sure working on it!"
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 12:40
From: Candy Costello
I have been here much longer than May, which is besides the point. Yet you can not even argue any of my post because you know I am right.


No, I'm not arguing your post because it's silly and driven by cruelty.
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Torrid Midnight
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08-31-2005 12:42
Alright I'm going to say something about this even though I've never really commented about articles on Aimee before, except to say congrats etc. I consider Aimee a very good friend and I have watched her grow since her early days in SL. I consider Aimee to be a good designer and a very unique character, she's talented and friendly. What I'm going to say is in no way a personal attack on anyone and I hope that it will not be taken as such.

There is definitely a trend when it comes to articles on the virtual economy, fashion, etc. Just about every article I've been pointed to is about Aimee or mentions Aimee. Now I've never really gotten to a point where I'm like hmm okay...this is getting a bit redundant. I've had people im me out of the blue and ask how I felt about Aimee always getting the attention and spotlight out of the City Girls group, especially with Mistress Designs and Torrid Wear having been around for over 2 years and counting. I've had someone ask to interview about that very subject but I turned it down simply because I felt it could hurt feelings or stir up drama. Myself, Mistress Midnight, and Launa Fauna are all successful in our own right, but you won't find any articles out there about us (at least none that I know of). My fellow fashion designers are extremely talented and creative individuals. They have added wonderful content to Second Life and have been involved in some great projects.

So after all of that being said, I don't feel like it has everything to do with Aimee being a unique person and a good fashion designer after so many articles. I'm beginning to agree that with her name being out there so much it's easy to grab info about her and draw attention to an article using a well known SL figure. I am not trying to take away credit where credit is due, as I've mentioned before Aimee is of course noteworthy. What I am worrying about is the repetitive nature of some of the articles. Does it show the variety of Second Life to people? Do writers feel the need to grab attention by using a famous name just to get people to read on about other details of SL? Are the writers actually researching to find out about the people that make our virtual community what it is?

I don't think at this point we should point fingers and say people are jealous. I *can* understand frustration of seeming to never read about other designers or creators in SL. I just don't think it should cause a backlash on Aimee herself. It's easy to resort to calling someone a spotlight hog but all that does is make you look immature. Hopefully in the future writers will seek out other talent and show the true variety of the great people that make SL better every day. Until that time getting angry at the media's focus won't make you or that person feel any better.

*Stepping off the soapbox now*
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Aimee Weber
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08-31-2005 12:42
From: Candy Costello
I am just sick of seeing her name all over the place, and labled as top designers of SL, panty queen and whatever else is being published.

let me show you a few of the articles:

http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=939
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/8/18
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/FutureTech/story?id=1019818&page=1
http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=746
http://secondlife.com/commerce/business.php
http://www.idfuel.com/index.php?p=328&more=1&c=1
http://www.techstuff.ca/archives/1008.html
http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2004/10/the_sassily_str.html

These are just a few things that urk me, top designer? successful? ok maybe she is a designer, but during my time in world, I have never heard of Aimee Weber, or seen anyone talk about her designs. After looking at her website (http://www.preenfashion.com/) of clothing designs, it is nothing more than photosourced clothing, and most not even done well. What I hear IN world is Neph, Wuvme, Sensual, Asri, Torrid, Mistress, Doc, BUT who the hell is Aimee Weber? Why is she/he all over the press? It is time for Linden Labs to stop feeding thier favorites and time for them to show off some real talent SL has to offer!


Candy I know you feel strongly about this because this is the first post by you ever that wasn't complementing Sensual for her clothing. I honestly don't ever expect to compete with that.
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Candy Costello
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08-31-2005 12:42
From: Enabran Templar
You're right, Cocoanut, I'm very sorry.

You know what else? I'm making a phonecall to those tools at Time magazine. Six billion people on earth and only a few dozen get to be man/woman of the year?! That's preposterous! I say we start forcing Time to interview everyone on earth and do cover stories on them. Not enough issues? Let's make Time a daily. I can't wait for my issue:

"Danilo Campos: Man of the Day"
"Sure, he may not be notable yet, but he's sure working on it!"


You do know that it is the Linden staff that sends the press to certain people right? It is not because they are so highly recognized, it is because a lazy Linden just points them to a select few of people.
Snowcrash Hoffman
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08-31-2005 12:43
From: Enabran Templar
For someone who makes so much hay about being misinterpreted, you're pretty good about making it sound like I'm sending out some sort of hit squad to silence people. People are free to say whatever unkind remarks they want (and make themselves appear foolish in the process). That doesn't mean I'm not going to state publicly that acting that way sucks and makes me feel bad for people who do that. If people don't have the spine to be disagreed with, they shouldn't talk. If the strength if one's convictions is so minimal they live in fear that someone might not share them, they don't deserve a place at the table of human discussion, nor will they keep one. Do let's stop talking about the poor weak people who are intimidated into silence.


Disagreement with someone's views, or criticising of their actions does not equal to baselessly accusing them for being jealous or lame. Further, you told me I should go to Cuba, why would you want me to go to Cuba? you are not able to take my criticism? or live in fear of me not to share them? or you don't think people who speak up deserve a place at the table of human discussion? Ironic isn't?

From: Enabran Templar
Also, it's really not all about you. Just because I quoted your comment in my earlier post doesn't mean I was addressing you directly, though I did take issue with your sentiment.


You can say whatever you want, and if you accuse me personally then I will respond back. All you did was accuse me or others of being jealous or hating Aimee:

From: Enabran Templar
If you're going to join in the Aimee Weber Hate Parade, at least do so with substance.


You completely ignored the main issue. That's fine but as you can see intimidation won't work.
Cocoanut Koala
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08-31-2005 12:43
From: Marcos Fonzarelli
Please do.

Right now, we have lots of articles about Aimee, followed by lots of bitching about why Aimee is in articles.

How about you channel your energy into writing some articles? I would love to hear about creative people I am unaware of. I have discovered and met some of them by flying around Burning Life. I look forward to reading articles about other great creators I may be unaware of. :)

Because I already have a writing job, Marcos. But lots of people could do it.

Here's the jist of my observation:

1. Reporters look to the web site to get their research.

2. On it, they see only a few people spotlighted.

3. The reporters report on a few of those.

4. Over time, they tend to mention Aimee more often than any of the others (maybe the others are all guys, I forget).

5. For whatever reason, over time this gets diluted down - as more reporters research other articles as WELL as looking at the website - to just Aimee more than the other few also spotlighted on the web site.

6. The way to make sure the world knows more about SL than just what one or a few subscribers do is to feature more of them in SL's own publications.

7. Thus, the place to change it all begins here - on the web site. The PR department (whatever it may be) should be paying attention to this. Not just for dispersal of more accurate information about the game, but for the morale of the subscriber base, and the protection of people who may be overexposed to the point of experiencing backlash from same.

The Lindens are the only ones who can fix this.

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Torley Linden
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08-31-2005 12:44
I love Second Life and I care a lot for the community and as big a world as we seem to be sometimes, we're still very much emerging and shouldn't be in a position to diminish one another. That's kinda like a little baby deciding to gnaw off a limb instead of a pacifier... I know, sick Stephen Kingesque thought there! o.O

The article that Mark Wallace wrote—and I hope everyone commenting on it read it fully and indepth just to be fair instead of drawing judgment at the headline :)—reflects this by, as I said in my very early post, draws attention.

Now, if you hem and haw about Aimee, what are you doing? Exactly what the article wants you to react to. That's not necessarily good or bad, but like great art (which I do consider the article to be), there is emotion, there is a reaction. And in doing so, mentioning Aimee's name more, you're giving her more attention, which is just YAYZERAMA! because I can't think of a better person for this. You know how on pro wrestling, the audience is set up to cheer for the babyface and boo for the heel? There's some of that psychology going on here, not to say Aimee is a wrassler, but...

Aimee is like Luke Skywalker. How? Notice very carefully, how this article, "Touching Aimee's Panties", uses her as a highlight against the whole "galactic backdrop" of financial intrigue across not only SL, but all online worlds. Notice how she starts the story and ends it, which I admit is more of an Anakin thing, but that's okeydokey. Notice how the article is structured to zoom out—like our very own Map screen—and then zoom back in, providing both a personal and an impersonal look at what's going on. That's a powerful 1-2 punch.

Think of a movie trailer:


IN A WORLD... WHERE ONE WOMAN HAS ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT HER.

And yes, that's true, but they're not just about her, and Aimee recognizes it, which is why she's so awesome. Also, I should bring up the point that during trawlin' for forum goodness posted during my absence, I came across this:





AIMEE WEBER AWARD!
(think Nobel Prize, only drunker)

Mission:
To encourage, reward and celebrate innovative residents who make positive and exceptional contributions to the Second Life community

I don't know what the results of that were, but sounds like she sure wants to spread that love around! And speaking of—

We're all connected. I praise many, many people here. Always looking for more too. We should be happy for each other's successes, and boost each other up. If you feel someone's getting too much of the lemonlight, consider making posts about who you'd like to see get more attention and celebrate them publically on the SL Forums. You don't have to be a pro journo, I'm not—it's as easy as starting a thread in Notices and Well Wishes saying, "YOU ROCK!" This gives you a positive voice to reinforce the diverse contributions that happen here.

Time's short, life's precious. Use that energy and focus it on sending out good vibes to the Residents you care about. I only recommend this because it's worked really well from me, and I wanna see you happy too!


P.S. Mark Wallace has a website, clearly listed at the end of the article. On it, you can find his email address. And you can use that to contact him and find out greater context about "Touching Aimee's Panties". He did write it, after all. :D
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08-31-2005 12:46
From: Candy Costello
You do know that it is the Linden staff that sends the press to certain people right? It is not because they are so highly recognized, it is because a lazy Linden just points them to a select few of people.

Did that give you license to be cruel towards Aimee? It's not like she's phoning up the press and requesting a story to be written about her eh?
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 12:46
From: Snowcrash Hoffman
Disagreement with someone's views, or criticising of their actions does not equal to baselessly accusing them for being jealous or lame. Further, you told me I should go to Cuba, why would you want me to go to Cuba? you are not able to take my criticism? or live in fear of me not to share them? or you don't think people who speak up deserve a place at the table of human discussion? Ironic isn't?


I believe I recommended Cuba because you could control the press there, and then recognize everyone, instead of people who get noticed. Way to pump up the drama, though, that's pretty impressive. Gold star.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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08-31-2005 12:47
From: Cocoanut Koala
Get off your childish damn "they" campaign. All you are saying is that people never get to observe a thing.
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All you are saying is that there is that there is some vague, shadowy group keeping you down. At least provide some links to posts as a reference so that we can finally believe you.


This thread has made me want to touch Aimee's panties. A lot.
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Candy Costello
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08-31-2005 12:48
From: Aimee Weber
Candy I know you feel strongly about this because this is the first post by you ever that wasn't complementing Sensual for her clothing. I honestly don't ever expect to compete with that.


Thanks for looking into my track record in regards to my posts Aimee, however this does not change anything I have said. I read the forums quite often, and reply alot less. What does a post complimenting Sensual have to do with the sky being blue? I have complimented several people, probably thousands since I have been in SL. I am just being honest in my post, I have never heard of you IN world. If you take offence to that, then be prepared to be upset with alot of people in SL.
Marcos Fonzarelli
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08-31-2005 12:48
From: Cocoanut Koala
Because I already have a writing job, Marcos. But lots of people could do it.


Oh, oh right. Someone else should do it. Ok.
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08-31-2005 12:48
Torley wins.
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Pol Tabla
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08-31-2005 12:50
From: Lecktor Hannibal
Did that give you license to be cruel towards Aimee? It's not like she's phoning up the press and requesting a story to be written about her eh?
And why, exactly, would this be a crime?
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08-31-2005 12:50
Damn. Torley always wins. :mad:
Snowcrash Hoffman
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08-31-2005 12:50
Originally Posted by Candy Costello:
I have been here much longer than May, which is besides the point. Yet you can not even argue any of my post because you know I am right.

From: Enabran Templar
No, I'm not arguing your post because it's silly and driven by
cruelty.


Don't let these people intimidate you Candy.
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