ARTICLE: Touching Aimee's Panties
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Beau Perkins
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08-31-2005 13:54
I am a storeowner in Second Life. I work very hard to get my name out there. I think my stores have become semi-well known because of my hard work alone. I have no one else to thank except my great customers who spread the word for me. This really does give me a sense of pride.
With that said, I have always had the attitude, if you want something, grab it.
If you are a Second Life business owner, and just sitting, waiting for Linden Labs, or some MMORG blog site to give you recognition then all you are really doing is wasting time you could be doing to get yourself recognition. Aimee gets the attention she gets because she is one of Second Lifes smarter business owners who worked hard to market herself and *Preen*. She remains likable and avoids much of the drama that is produced on these forums. I think myself and other business owners really can learn allot from her business ethics and how to become a "spot light" retailer in world. Aimee has been personally attacked on these forums time and time again by various people and she always seems come out looking like the smiling, popular schoolgirl who everyone likes. That is the main reason she gets the attention she gets.
No I am not jumping on an "I Love Aimee Bandwagon". She has always been a businessperson I thought of as a benchmark. Watch and learn, maybe you can accomplish what she has if that’s what your goal is.
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-31-2005 13:54
From: Cristiano Midnight Where did I say you wanted to be featured? I said that I don't think it is a high priority, given the sheer amount of development tasks they have. My comment about the jealous asshole factor was not directed at you. I told you I agree with your point. No, I didn't think it was directed to me specifically. It sounded, though, like it was directed to those who think that LL should spotlight more people, and/or articles should spotlight more people. coco
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-31-2005 13:54
From: Cocoanut Koala No, I didn't think it was directed to me specifically. It sounded, though, like it was directed to those who think that LL should spotlight more people, and/or articles should spotlight more people. coco Refer to my answer to Snowcrash.
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-31-2005 13:55
From: Beau Perkins I am a store owner in Second Life. I work very hard to get my name out there. I think my stores have become semi-well known because of my hard work alone. I have no one else to thank except my great customers who spread the word for me. This really does give me a sense of pride. With that said, I have always had the attitude, if you want something, grab it. If you are a Second Life business owner, and just sitting, waiting for Linden Labs, or some MMORG blog site to give you recognition then all you are really doing is wasting time you could be doing to get yourself recognition. Aimee gets the attention she gets because she is one of Second Lifes smarter business owners who worked hard to market herself and *Preen*. SHe remains likable and avoids much of the drama that is produced on these forums. I think myself and other business owners really can learn allot from her business ethics and how to become a "spot light" retailer in world. Aimee has been personally attacked on these forums time and time again by various people and she always seems to always come out looking like the smiling, popular school girl who everyone likes. That is the main reason she gets the attention she gets. No I am not jumping on an "I Love Aimee Bandwagon". She has always been a business person I thought of as a benchmark. Watch and learn, maybe you can accoplish what she has if thats what your goal is. You're overlooking the power and effect of being one of the few in the profiles on the web site, Mr. P. coco
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Weedy Herbst
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08-31-2005 13:56
From: Cocoanut Koala Yes, you do have an opinion. and not about the personalities Weedy like to talk about - such as me. coco If I read back, YOU were the one crying unfairness. YOU are the one who hijacked this I DON"T like talking about you, but I DO have every right to refute what you say. This is totally typical of the way you manipulate situations to slant things your way. You opinion does count, coco. For all it's worth.
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Cory Edo
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 13:58
Because I can see that Snowcrash is so hurt by his misinterpretation of my remarks, let me make it perfectly clear where I stopped responding specifically to his post. From: Enabran Templar As a content creator, a Second Life resident and a man who is secure in his ability to attain success, I completely disagree. If Aimee Weber often receives the spotlight, it is because her story is interesting, her brand is cool and effective or she has simply done what it takes to win the sort of mindshare in SL that catches the attention of journalists.
ENABRAN STOPPED TALKING IN RESPONSE TO SNOWCRASH HOFFMAN HERE. HE DISAGREED. SOMEHOW THIS MAY INDICATE THE HE WISHES TO SILENCE OTHERS. WHAT FOLLOWS IS OPINION REGARDING THE SUBJECT AT LARGE, NOT RELATED TO SNOWCRASH HOFFMAN IN SPECIFIC.
Hey, folks. Aimee's a broad who walks around wearing striped leggings and butterfly wings. I dunno about you, but if I were a journalist, this quirkiness blended with her commercial success would definitely make her an interesting subject. Definitely an "Only in a Virtual World" kind of attraction.
I'm disappointed by the sort of jealousy and insecurity that inspires these sorts of posts. I've never understood why one person's success has to equal another's disappointment, or even failure. There's nothing at all belittling about Aimee being successful and receiving attention for it, unless you're the sort of person who resents the success of others.
And if Aimee is getting free advertising, y'know what? That's what happens when you become successful enough to be noteworthy. Apple gets talked about on the news a lot more than Creative. (And funny, I bet Creative whines about this internally, too)
Jealousy is really gross. I'm pretty sad to have to read the sort of posts that have been made in this thread. I feel really bad for the sort of people who are intimidated by success and ability. For me, being stuck in a world of bland mediocrity (RL, mostly), seeing excellence is a breath of fresh air and I'm happy to celebrate success. Guess which point of view leaves you feeling better at the end of the day? I hope now everyone is clear on it. 
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Snowcrash Hoffman
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08-31-2005 13:58
From: Cristiano Midnight Also was not directed at you - my agreeing with Enabran about that does not relate to your dispute with him. It is fine to think that Aimee is over promoted - I am sure she is probably sick of the attention. What has pissed me off is the sentiment that she is somehow undeserving, untalented, etc. That is just nasty. She is guilty of nothing, and to demean her simply because she has been promoted more than some people would like, especially in the way some people have done in this thread, just reeks of pettiness.
I have in the past expressed similar sentiments - that I would like to see more diversity of those featured. In the process, I would not begin to criticize or demean those who have been featured, and those who have done so here, I have no respect for. In expressing your opinion, you have not done that. I absolutely agree on that. Aimee has every right to her exposure and much deserved. Indeed, the issue here is not her battle but unfortunately, her avatar is the symbol of over-attention and she should not take personal offense just like she does not object to her panties being discussed in public  . I never ever accused or criticised Aimee, in any of my posts. I discussed this in game through IMs as well.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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08-31-2005 13:58
nicely executed!
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Torley Linden
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08-31-2005 13:59
From: Beau Perkins I am a store owner in Second Life. I work very hard to get my name out there. I think my stores have become semi-well known because of my hard work alone. I have no one else to thank except my great customers who spread the word for me. This really does give me a sense of pride. I like your crazy anims and the prices are great too! Your sense of humor cracks me up. From: someone Aimee has been personally attacked on these forums time and time again by various people and she always seems come out looking like the smiling, popular school girl who everyone likes. That is the main reason she gets the attention she gets. Yupyup, every time her name gets mentioned, some new Resident to SL's like "Who's that?" when they browse the SL forums and then they dig in and find out more... and then they start buying *PREEN*. The more they see her name, the more familiar—and trusted—it becomes. I know this because it's what's been told to me firsthand. Great, very sly way of doing it, using complainers as pawns. Miss WEEBLER would be proud. 
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-31-2005 14:00
From: Weedy Herbst If I read back, YOU were the one crying unfairness. YOU are the one who hijacked this I DON"T like talking about you, but I DO have every right to refute what you say. This is totally typical of the way you manipulate situations to slant things your way. You opinion does count, coco. For all it's worth. Good Lord, Weedy. You just always gotta add something personal, don't you? I'm the one who brought up the sexist angle of the article, not the other stuff. Other people brought up the unfairness. After a bit of that, I commented on it, too. READ THE THREAD, for Pete's sake. coco
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Lo Jacobs
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Snowcrash Hoffman
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08-31-2005 14:01
From: Enabran Templar Because I can see that Snowcrash is so hurt by his misinterpretation of my remarks, let me make it perfectly clear where I stopped responding specifically to his post. I hope now everyone is clear on it.  Ok, I trust you and accept that I misinterpreted your remarks. As such I stop responding to you after this post. Thank you.
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Jake Reitveld
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08-31-2005 14:02
Look there are plenty of designers in SL who are very talented and create beautiful stuff. Aimee gets a lot of press, in part because Aimeee markets *PREEN* Better than anyone else does. I have often felt that spotlighting aimee in the way linden labs does is a disservice to all of SL, and a diservice to her. Like anyone who creates, Aimee is a person, not some shapless mass of a compnay. She puts a lot of herself inot her creations and inot making *PREEN* what it is. Maybe you haven't heard of PREEN in world. Great Maybe its not your cup of tea. I mean the gothic stuff is not at all my cup of tea, but I know Munch is hugely talented. The best male suits, bar none, come from Grimm And Muse. It is a Pity they are no longer around, becuase, while faboulously expensive, they are meticulously worked out.
I think the real point here is not a fight about which designer deserve to get more time on the website, but is should be more about how do we get the message to the journalists that the important thing in SL is the creative talent pool, and not just the economic success stories.
Blaming Aimee for getting press is sort of pointless, Aimee doesn't have a lot of control over who contacts her for an interview, and she certainly should not be forced to say no to requests to interview her. But really If you hav eissues with this, pitch the bitch to the guy writing the article. Send him an E-mail telling him about your favorite products in SL. But Aimee should not be blamed for being popular.
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Cory Edo
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08-31-2005 14:02
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-31-2005 14:03
From: Beau Perkins
With that said, I have always had the attitude, if you want something, grab it.
If you are a Second Life business owner, and just sitting, waiting for Linden Labs, or some MMORG blog site to give you recognition then all you are really doing is wasting time you could be doing to get yourself recognition. .
Excellent post, Beau. I did not get the recognition I have had by waiting for Linden Lab to come to me. More importantly, recognition has never ever been a motivating factor. Snapzilla obviously raised my profile a lot, but my business and web site were established long before that. In the end, it is about putting yourself out there. Even no one knew who I was but my circle of friends, I would still be happy simply creating and trying to find new things to add to SL. Aimee is a class act, and I don't envy her the negative attention this is all bringing her, since it is outside her control. The sense of community shown here is eye opening.
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 14:03
Dammit, I can't find my Ring of Infinite Snarkiness. How ever will I summon the joint powers of the Forum 5 without it?
Wait. I have an idea.
FORUM 5 IN DA HIZZOUSE! REPRESENT!
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Catherine Cotton
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08-31-2005 14:03
From: Pendari Lorentz Woah! I cannot help reading this thread and feeling like it reeks of jealousy. And if it isn't jealousy, then it is just plain mean. Why people cannot be happy when others are successful has always boggled me. I'm a super competitive person, but I don't balk when someone else gets more "fame" than I do. I just work harder at whatever it is I'm trying to accomplish. Aimee doesn't ASK to be written about. And so what if many people WANT to write about her. If you aren't a person that is getting written about, perhaps you need to look to yourself and your actions rather than complain when someone else gets all the attention. I'm leaving by night I'm leaving alone I'm leaving it lie When you waken I'll be gone I would not beg for me As I would not beg for you Though I'd like to be the one To see you through Every step you have taken Disappears with the tide You're torn up and shaken With changing your mind You haven't got the grace To say you'll finally decide And you haven't got the strength To stay and fight Those people who surround you Only want to see you weak enough to crawl They'll lie for you decide for you And buy up all your rights and all your wrongs And they'll try to stop your singing In the middle of your song For they do not want you free And they do not make you strong But only drag you down In the hole they're coming fromThey say you are foolish in wanting the sun Say you are selfish in learning to run And they'll tell you that the darkness Is a blessing in disguise For you never have to notice If you're sighted or you're blind And they'll do their best To keep you from the light You're more than beginning You're learning to fly You feel like you're falling But it passes in time I hate to see a friend Go down in flames without a song So I'm waiting by the doorway But I will not linger long I'm leaving by night I'm leaving alone I'm leaving it lie When you waken I'll be gone I would not beg for me As I could not beg for you But I'd like to be the one To see you through -- Janis Ian - From Me to YouLOL nooo it would just be nice to hear about other paying customers for a change. Cus hearing about the same person over and over again gets boring quick. It also smells of favoritism. So by pointing that out we are jelous or sour grapes rofl you working for her on her PR team now? Someone write something about oh I don't know? How about .....Cubey, Mistress, Aces, Khamon, Chip...anyone else. That would be a good read 
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Leilany LaFollette
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08-31-2005 14:04
From: Cristiano Midnight Yeah, most likely they will mention that damn Celine Dion  I've had it with the Celine Dion crap!!! 
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Enabran Templar
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08-31-2005 14:05
From: Catherine Cotton LOL nooo it would just be nice to hear about other paying customers for a change. Just because I pay Linden Lab a few bucks a month doesn't mean I deserve to make the cover of Wired. Gimme a break.
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Weedy Herbst
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08-31-2005 14:05
From: Leilany LaFollette I've had it with the Celine Dion crap!!!  No kidding!
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Catherine Cotton
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08-31-2005 14:06
From: Jake Reitveld Look there are plenty of designers in SL who are very talented and create beautiful stuff. Aimee gets a lot of press, in part because Aimeee markets *PREEN* Better than anyone else does. I have often felt that spotlighting aimee in the way linden labs does is a disservice to all of SL, and a diservice to her. Like anyone who creates, Aimee is a person, not some shapless mass of a compnay. She puts a lot of herself inot her creations and inot making *PREEN* what it is. Maybe you haven't heard of PREEN in world. Great Maybe its not your cup of tea. I mean the gothic stuff is not at all my cup of tea, but I know Munch is hugely talented. The best male suits, bar none, come from Grimm And Muse. It is a Pity they are no longer around, becuase, while faboulously expensive, they are meticulously worked out.
I think the real point here is not a fight about which designer deserve to get more time on the website, but is should be more about how do we get the message to the journalists that the important thing in SL is the creative talent pool, and not just the economic success stories.
Blaming Aimee for getting press is sort of pointless, Aimee doesn't have a lot of control over who contacts her for an interview, and she certainly should not be forced to say no to requests to interview her. But really If you hav eissues with this, pitch the bitch to the guy writing the article. Send him an E-mail telling him about your favorite products in SL. But Aimee should not be blamed for being popular. yuppers true, this has nothing to do with Aimee personaly. Look at the big picture if you can folks. I know its hard sometimes but there is more to this than the monitor your staring at 
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Aimee Weber
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08-31-2005 14:21
From: Beau Perkins I am a storeowner in Second Life. I work very hard to get my name out there. I think my stores have become semi-well known because of my hard work alone. I have no one else to thank except my great customers who spread the word for me. This really does give me a sense of pride.
With that said, I have always had the attitude, if you want something, grab it.
If you are a Second Life business owner, and just sitting, waiting for Linden Labs, or some MMORG blog site to give you recognition then all you are really doing is wasting time you could be doing to get yourself recognition. Aimee gets the attention she gets because she is one of Second Lifes smarter business owners who worked hard to market herself and *Preen*. She remains likable and avoids much of the drama that is produced on these forums. I think myself and other business owners really can learn allot from her business ethics and how to become a "spot light" retailer in world. Aimee has been personally attacked on these forums time and time again by various people and she always seems come out looking like the smiling, popular schoolgirl who everyone likes. That is the main reason she gets the attention she gets.
No I am not jumping on an "I Love Aimee Bandwagon". She has always been a businessperson I thought of as a benchmark. Watch and learn, maybe you can accomplish what she has if that’s what your goal is. Thank you so much for the post Beau. I added bold to some key statements and would like to point something out to my detractors. There have been a lot of words used to describe me by my supporters such as "amicable", "hard-working", "friendly", "funny", "talented", etc. As this thread starts to push 12 pages it's becoming clear that another word is emerging to describe me: Controversial I will not disparage anybody's opinions on this subject but from a Public Relations point of view you may want to keep in mind what future awaits a "controversial celebrity" who earned controversial status without being mean, cruel, bitchy, or abrasive. I am going to keep on working hard without complaining, doing my thing as I did back when I was a nobody and Neph had all the spotlight (and still does and rightfully so! <3 ). What the rest of you do is obviously up to you. "Aimee, the lindens have no official comments on you or your panties." -Jeff Linden
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Candy Costello
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08-31-2005 14:25
From: Cristiano Midnight This is just crass and mean spirited. Aimee is incredibly talented, as are all the people you listed. To say that she is not deserving of attention is just, rude. Would I like to see other people enjoy some attention as well? Yes, but I certainly don't blame Aimee, or Neph (who has had quite a bit of press), or anyone else who has been in the spotlight. It is not necessary to degrade someone to promote someone else, but apparently you are fine doing that. I am sure none of the designers you mentioned would like to be associated with the kind of negativity you posted here - they all have too much class to be that rude, so don't name drop them to make a point. How are your sales again? My intentions were not to be cruel or rude, I apologize for coming across that way. I don't sell or create anything in SL because I haven't the creativity nor patience for it. My posts are my thoughts, I have never heard of Aimee, other than from the press. When I see an outfit I admire I often ask who made it, her name hasn't came up. I am addicted to shopping in SL, that is what I do, and the designers I listed are the ones I hear people talk about, how is that cruel?
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